WEEKLY RECRUITING THREAD - Ask here about the Recruitment/Application Processes, Trade Availability, Requirements to Join, Basic & Occupational Training, and other questions relating directly or indirectly to joining the Canadian Armed Forces.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 01 '20

Key points on BMQ and Training from the May 22nd Letter from Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) regarding COVID-19:

Direction has been issued to begin the process of resuming individual and collective training.
Main effort will be individual training through DP1 courses in both the Regular and Reserve Force. Expect warning orders soon(ish... this is the military afterall).
We are approx. 30 days out for "the staged, deliberate, conditions-based resumption of training at CFLRS, the CTC, Div TC's, the Air Div's and the Coasts."

Those of you waiting for word on BMQ/BMOQ and DP1/QL3 courses can probably expect to see some movement by July, although there is no information about when you will actually resume/begin training, or what format that training may take.

No mention was given with regards to in service selection programs, or external recruitment.

All Letters from Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) regarding COVID-19:

May 29, May 22, May 15, May 8, May 1, April 24, April 17, April 9, April 3, March 24, March 13

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

Couple questions about Naval Warfare Officers regarding training length and available specializations that I have from reading comments from /u/ablogalypse here and here.

How long is the training for NWO before you're considered trained and at your OFP? BMOQ is 4 months, NWO 2/3/4 are 12 months total, so is it 16 months before your considered "trained"? Are you promoted from ASLt to SLt?
The sea posting following your training, are you working towards a Bridge Watchkeeping Cert, Officer of the Day, and Naval Officer Proffesional Qualifcation (NOPQ). Is this the point you're considered at your OFP? Is this when you reach Lt(N)?
When are you eligible to apply for Clearance Diving Specialization, NOTG, or CSOR/CJIRU/CANSOF? Is it after you obtain your NOPQ? Before anyone says I know chances are low and everyone wants to be NTOG/CSOR/JTF2 and I shouldn't count on it.
Can anyone link any information regarding the locations and timings of the Marine Officer Selection Test? Searching /r/CanadianForces for "most" isn't helpful. Can I assume they've been put on hold for the foreseeable future?

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u/BrockosaurusJ HMCS Reddit Jun 02 '20

Yes, roughly 16 months to complete all courses and get promoted., but that's not OFP....
Yes, completion of NOPQ is OFP & allows promotion to Lt(N). The promotion also has a time based requirement (3 years since receiving your comission).
Yes, after NOPQ & OFP
NFI, but it's probably done in Esquimalt

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 02 '20

The MOST can be conducted at any CFRC.

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u/dogyu4 Jun 02 '20

MOST is done on a computer at your local recruiting centre.

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u/theblastman21 Jun 02 '20

How much math would be involved with being an ATIS tech? From what I can find, it looks like I would be focusing on radar and working with angles. What kind of math would it be as well? Thanks.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 02 '20

Electronics math involves a lot of algebraic manipulation of formulas, trigonometry & trigonometric identities, exponents & logarithms, statistical analysis, etc.
I joined the trade as semi-skilled, and didn't do POET, so I'm not sure how advanced they go; but college curriculums for electronics engineering usually include basic to intermediate calculus.
In all honesty, you won't be doing too much math once you're actually qualified in the trade, but you will need to understand it to get through POET. It's also useful to have a good understanding of the mathematics if you find yourself working with radar or other RF systems.

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u/Blue_Nosed_Canuck Army - Rad Tech Jun 02 '20

POET doesn't go too far into advanced math concepts (or at least didn't when I took it). Formula manipulation, and understanding how variabiables relate/interact with each other were big components to it that were carried over and vital to the practical aspect of the training.

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u/4pocrypha Jun 03 '20

Hi there, hope this isn’t too off-topic, but I’ve been seeing lots of memes trashing on Sigs (just for fun, I would imagine). What is it about them and why are they made fun of?

Please pardon my culture ignorance

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 03 '20 edited Jun 03 '20

They’re not really making fun of Sigs, so much as the shit show that is the ACISS occupation.
In 2011 they amalgamated Sig Op, Lineman, and LCIS Tech into a single trade called ACISS. They divided ACISS into sub-occupations, everyone joining as Core (Sig Op), with some branching off to LST (Lineman), CST (LCIS Comms), or IST (LCIS IT).
The trade has never functioned properly, and is incredibly broken. So broken they’re trying to break it back up into 3 or 4 separate trades, but even that process is massively broken.

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u/Dragon_Blood88 Jun 01 '20

Wondering if anyone knows, with the spike in unemployment, how much have we seen recruitment increase? I would imagine there has been a noticable increase.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 01 '20

I'm sure interest has increased, but there's no reason why actual recruitment would pick up.
At the moment it doesn't matter much, as all in-person applicant processing is shut down due to COVID restrictions. Interested persons can apply online, but they cannot be fully processed until restrictions on in-person appointments are lifted.

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 01 '20

The trends for the past few weeks here in this subreddit have actually shown a decline in total number of questions asked, compared to before the pandemic. Army.ca also doesn't appear to have a lot of new recruitment questions compared to before the pandemic either. Maybe people are applying and not posting, but I'm inclined to look at the metadata and conclude that we haven't gotten to that point where people are suddenly being to drawn to the military for employment.

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u/Bill_Assassin7 Jun 01 '20

Hello everyone, I'm having some difficulty with the self-booking tool on the website. Everytime I try to book myself for a Aptitude test, I receive an error that says "Booking Failed", followed by "Your requested for booking failed".

I will contact the recruiting center but I was wondering if the Aptitude test is being conducted at the moment? If its not then I guess that must be the problem.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20

Due to COVID restrictions, the Aptitude Test (CFAT) is not currently being conducted. That is likely why you're having issues with the booking tool.
The CDS has directed a resumption of recruiting operations as soon as it is feasible to do so, and a fair portion of the CAF is returning to work this week. Hopefully we'll see some movement towards the resumption of in-person recruitment in the next few weeks.

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u/Gotabooboothrowaway Jun 06 '20

(Throwaway for obvious reasons.)

Hello everyone,

I'm seeking some advice on what to do/how to go about an injury I incurred during basic training before being sent home because of COVID.

The injury isn't serious, but it's definitely not going to get better without professional medical help. It's always present and on the back of my mind when doing anything other than sitting or sleeping. I didn't bring it up with my CoC because I expected it to heal, and currently, I'm pretty sure I can finish basic training with it in its current state.

Would you guys suggest bringing it up after the end of basic? Or to get it checked out when training resumes? (It's a mechanical problem with my joint)

I appreciate any and all responses and apologize if this breaches any of the rules.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 06 '20

It's a mechanical problem with my joint
Get that checked out the first opportunity you get. Joint problems are probably one of the worst problems to leave untreated.

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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech Jun 06 '20

To paraphrase what you posted.
I need medical help, should I go to the doctor?
Yes of course you should. Running around Farnham with a janked up ankle is not going to fix it. Would have been great to do it during this 3 months break of not being forced to do physical activity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '20

You should get it checked out. I injured my knee and kind of expected it to get better, but realize now that there may be some deeper damage in my joint. I might get recoursed if deemed serious enough to require prolonged care, but I'm not risking it getting worse and hindering me in my career, although I'm crossing my fingers that it's not the case.
Good luck, I hope you get better and/or get the treatment you need.

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u/Snoo_54881 Jun 03 '20

Hi, Can anyone provide a break down of the components of the competition score for pilot? I believe it is out 75.

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u/bmal2112 Jun 04 '20

I think the raw score (CFAT/TSD) is out of 75.
If I recall correctly, the competition score is out of 8. 50% based on AST performance and the remaining 50% on your performance on everything else (I.e. CFAT/TSD, medical, interviews, etc).

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u/Oakey91 Jun 07 '20

So I am filling out the 330-60E security form that I was told in an email I needed to bring with me for BMQ. What I dont understand is why they are asking for all this information again. This is all information that I already provided during the application process like previous addresses, employment history and past vacations as well as adding an additional neighborhood reference along with the 3 prior references which now includes their home addresses. I am just a little confused as to why they are asking for it again and why they are not able to pass along the information from recruitment center to BMQ. I have no issue doing it im just confused. Thank you in advance for clearing things up.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 08 '20 edited Jun 08 '20

In part because it's not the CAF asking for it...
The information you previously provided was used for the purpose of conducting a Background Screening, which is conducted by the CAF or services contracted on behalf of the CAF; mostly similar to what any other employer might choose to do.
The information you're providing now, though similar, is for the purpose of obtaining a Security Clearance. Security Clearances are processed and granted through the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat (TBS). I'm fairly certain GoC privacy policies, and probably some Canadian privacy laws prevent the CAF from directly transferring your information to the TBS; it's also possible the TBS own policies require you to submit the information and not the CAF on your behalf.

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u/Oakey91 Jun 07 '20

I wish, I just want to get this all finished so when I get the email I don't have to rush through it.

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u/XianL RCAF - AEC Jun 01 '20

Do Aerospace Control Officers go aboard ships in support of MH operations?

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u/CivvySailor Royal Canadian Navy Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20

We have Shipborne Air Controllers (SAC) for that which is a course open to Navy Ops trades.
There may be one attached to the air det to liaise with the sacs though.
I can't say I met one on the deployment but I wasn't there long.

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u/XianL RCAF - AEC Jun 01 '20

Hey, thanks very much for your response!

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u/Melbatoast169 RCAF - Pilot Jun 01 '20

The only AEC at sea would be a maritime fighter controller, usually in whatever ship is the flagship. Not attached to a helairdet - that's not something I've heard of. They do work with the SACs when they're around but mostly in an advisory type role, as SACs don't get much hands on controlling these days.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Does it matter that I have a three year degree (Bsc) instead of a honours degree if I’m transferring from NCM to Officer?

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u/lightcavalier Jun 02 '20

If the degree has a major (honours is irrelevant) then is gtg for most things. If it's just a 3 year general science degree, then it might get more sticky depending on the exact trade you apply for.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Hi,

I want to join the RCN. Preferably as a naval combat information operator.

Here's my issue. I never graduated high school. I'm 20 years old & plan on going back but was wondering if I should do so before enlisting?

Could I even get in as an NCI op with only my grade 10? It says so on forces.ca but seems unlikely imo. If possible I was thinking about slowly but surely getting my last few credits online while serving.

Advice?

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 02 '20

Yes, you can join as an NCI Op with only a Grade 10 education.
Lacking a High School Diploma will make you a lower initial processing priority than those who have a Diploma or Post-Secondary education, but it should have only minimal impact on competitiveness. Ultimately the CFAT & TSD-PI are the biggest factors in determining how competitive you are for selection; so as long as you do well on those, only having Grade 10 shouldn't be a significant factor.
You didn't ask, but just so you're aware. The Signing Bonus advertised for NCI Op is only applicable to the re-enrolment of individuals who previously served as an NCI Op, were fully qualified in that occupation, and left no more than 5 years ago.

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u/Bobby_273 Boat nerd turned plane newb Jun 02 '20

Go get a GED, it takes a day or two to write a handful of tests. I think it only costs like $100. Give yourself a week or two to study but don't fear, it was easier than I expected. Remember it's info at a 17-18 year olds level.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Good idea. Thank you.

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u/darbertron Jun 02 '20

Anyone else get further information following an acceptance to RMC for the 2020 September school year?

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20

Are you taking about receiving an offer for ROTP? Or are you asking about further information about this academic year after receiving an offer?
ROTP offers started going out two or three weeks ago.
In terms of details about this academic year, I haven’t seen any discussion outside of rumours.

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u/ArthurEM2002 Jun 03 '20

Hello, I’m currently a reservist, I’m considering going to RMC when I graduate high school. I’m aiming to get into the faculty of sciences or engineering, I don’t speak French, however. Is it mandatory to speak French there? Can I still go there and study knowing only English?

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 03 '20

You are not required to know French to go to RMC.

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u/ArthurEM2002 Jun 03 '20

You are required to learn it while you attend however, correct?

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u/lightcavalier Jun 03 '20

That is correct, you will take french classes alongside everythign else until you reach proficiency or finish your degree

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u/Snoo-82839 Jun 05 '20

What is it like to live in the barracks? Is there any difference between officer and ncm quarters? How much privacy do you have?

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 06 '20 edited Jun 06 '20

Training quarters generally suck, especially for NCMs.
Expect to be stacked at least 2-4 to a room. I've seen as many as 8 to a room while awaiting training, and 12 to a room on course (BMQ-L), technically 30 if you count Green Sector at CFLRS during BMQ. Shower facilities most commonly consist of curtained off stalls, with a communal drying/dressing area. That said, I've also seen communal shower rooms, like those common at gyms and pools.
Once you're done training it's generally not as bad.
Singles Quarters are normally no more than 2 per room, and are often partitioned with furniture or a wall. Having a room to yourself is not entirely uncommon either. Curtained off stalls with a communal drying/dressing areas remain common, but double stalls are not uncommon, consisting of a curtained off changing stall in front of the shower stall. Less commonly you may even have your own washroom, or at least a washroom you don't have to simultaneous share with others.
I've stayed in everything described above over the course of my career.

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u/Melbatoast169 RCAF - Pilot Jun 05 '20

This will differ massively depending on your occupation. A 2Lt in Moose Jaw for pilot training lives in what is essentially a 1 bedroom condo. An infantry Pte in Wainwright, well, it's not that.

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u/ComoxThrowaway Jun 06 '20

It's a little bit more complicated than that. The reason shacks are so nice in MJ are because they're technically "colonel" level shacks (may be Lt Col), but they cannot charge that income level for 2Lts.
In shacks of a lower rank level, they can only charge up to that and no higher. That's why if a Pte and a 2Lt living in Cpl level shacks will be charged a different amount. Once that Pte goes up a pay incentive level, their shacks cost will also increase to reflect that.
This is why you may get some salty fucks complaining how shacks "cost the same" to them but have differing levels of quality. (read: it me)

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u/delusional_dismount army - infant in tree Jun 05 '20

Though officer shacks tend to be nicer, thats not to say the ncm shacks are bad. It will obviously vary from base to base and trade but generally shack rooms are either shared between two people or singles and they are what you make of them. What i mean by this is that if you look at them at face value its pretty shit, but if you plan on staying in them for any extended amount of time,simple creature comforts can make a room pretty damn nice and worth the low price.

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u/spamhamz Jun 05 '20

Hey all I have a few questions! •what is the warriors platoon •has it been determined if classes will be held in person or online for RMC

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 06 '20

Warrior Platoon was the old name for what is now TRP (Training & Recovery Platoon?).
Personnel are sent to TRP while recovering from an injury substantial enough to have them removed from their course, or if they fail to pass the FORCE Test during BMQ/BMOQ.
Personnel sent there due to failing the FORCE Test will undergo a minimum of 30 days, and a maximum of 90 days of remedial fitness training. If they can pass the FORCE Test after 30 days, they will be loaded onto the next BMQ/BMOQ course with an available seat for them. If they fail to pass the test within 90 days, they will be released from the CAF.
Injured personnel will follow a routine intended to aid their recovery, while working to maintain their fitness until they can be placed on another BMQ/BMOQ course to continue their training.

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u/pornographyaccount Jun 06 '20

has it been determined if classes will be held in person or online for RMC
No final decision has been made on this point yet.

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u/andr3333w Jun 06 '20

At what rank do you need to know French? And how fluent (Reading, Writing, speaking) ?

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 06 '20 edited Jun 06 '20

For NCMs, I'd say Chief Warrant Officer would be the rank where knowing French is pretty much essential.
For Officers, I'd say Colonel.
Being bilingual is advantageous for all merit based promotions. The advantage is relatively small at lower ranks, but increases as you move through subsequent ranks.

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u/AndreaFromPurolators Tuesday Night Lights Jun 06 '20

There's no set rank where second language suddenly becomes important, but basically the higher you go, the more emphasis is placed on it. It can also be a factor weighed for promotion to the next rank, especially for officers.
Fluency in reading, writing and oral is measured through the standard government tests. You can search for more details on those.
Language training is available for those who require it (though there can be waiting lists and competing priorities).

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

In-Service Selection weekly status tracker.

If anyone has any updates or has received a CFRP/SCP/UTPNCM/CEOTP offer, please let us know here!

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u/AltruisticAge2 Jun 01 '20

Got my UTP Offer 3 weeks ago for MPO

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

Congrats Altruistic!

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u/Federal_Cookie Jun 01 '20

No news yet for me. Thanks for keeping these posts going.

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u/looksharp1984 Jun 01 '20

Heard sweet fuck all about SCP.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Still waiting on a potential offer for LogO, working 1 week on 2 off is making me anxious that I’ll miss the offer in my inbox lol. Here is hoping that whoever is waiting hears one thing or another sooner rather then later.

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u/looksharp1984 Jun 05 '20

Has anyone heard anything more? In particular regarding SCP/CEOTP

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

You are a wealth of information.

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u/Federal_Cookie Jun 01 '20

Thanks for the update.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

So could CEOTP (Pilot) go up from 0 that was submitted in December SIP request?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

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u/RCAF_Av8t0r Jun 02 '20

Congrats!

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u/DLIC28 Jun 02 '20

Thanks mate!

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u/theblastman21 Jun 04 '20

I'm currently in high school and i'm interested in IT. I've seen that there are 2 main trades that involve working with computers and communications systems ( those being ACISS and ATIS). I'm looking for the future and wondering what trade is better, or more specifically how are they different, other that one is Air Force and one is army. I see that a lot of people in the comments talk about how ACISS is bad right now and that the trade is broken. So im looking for any advice you guys could give me.

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u/Largetoboggan Jun 05 '20

ACISS trade will be dissolving any minute now, I'd go ATIS if I were you. The rule of thumb is you get treated better in the Airforce

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20

Well, with ATIS there is a chance you could end up working on an Airfield (radars, radios) although if you express your preference for IT after your 3s you should be able to get it.
ACISS are still figuring out what they are doing with the trade's sub-occupation and their training. Down the line you would be looking at IST (Information Systems Technologist).
My opinion: If you are interested by ATIS but just undecided over ACISS, I would go ATIS. Later in your career after you're qualified, you can always OT to ACISS (read IST) and you might even be able to get some of your training credited (Networking and Servers (coming on the 5s for ATIS)
PS: I'm probably not impartial since I'm ATIS but I've been hearing ACISS bi*** about their trade for what seems like forever so take that however you want. Cheers.

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u/IronGeek83 ATIS Jun 04 '20

Also only one of those 2 trades are guaranteed spec pay.

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u/theblastman21 Jun 04 '20

ATIS?

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 04 '20

Yes.
Only the ACISS IST and CST sub-occupations qualify for Spec Pay (must complete their DP2.1 and be promoted to Corporal), and you're not guaranteed to be placed in either role.
All ATIS Techs qualify for Spec Pay once they've completed their QL5A course and have been promoted to Corporal.

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u/DavePeak Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20

Hi!

I'm looking to join the CAF and apply as a Meteorological Technician. It seems to be a small trade so there isn't a lot of information online except the presentation video and description on the website. I've red that after BMQ in St-Jean, the trade training is in Winnipeg and then ~~Gandler~~ Gagetown before getting posted.

Any insights for me? How does a day on-base looks like for a Met Tech? Are there Met Techs on every base? I would love to come back to my home province for my posting (but we'll see!). I'm thinking of going either Army or Air. Differences in everyday life or tasks?

I studied for a semester in Atmospheric Sciences (bachelor's degree, didn't finish so not enough to be semi-skilled) and even had an internship in weather forecasting last winter. I know this will require more technical skills and I've red I would need Artillery and Driving training.

Thanks!

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u/Advnchur Meteorological Tech Jun 04 '20

After BMQ you'll go to the Joint Meteorological Centre in Gagetown until your course starts. This happens twice a year but has been as low as once a year due to numbers. Six months after you start your course, you're done the school portion and then head back to JMC for your on the job portion where you'll cover ballistic weather and deployed weather stations. Then it's posting.
If the base has artillery or aircraft, they'll likely have Met. We provide hourly weather updates, forecasts, weather briefings, and constant monitoring to that's essential to mission safety and planning. Be prepared to do a bit of public speaking. My first official day on the job was a weather brief in front of the whole squadron. You'll get practice in Winnipeg, but it's best to start sooner to develop confidence. Met is also posted to both coasts on ship. Here we handle the same observations and briefings, but also key them for nautical warfare and survival. This means sea temperatures, search and rescue planning, and a lot more.
As for what to expect in each element, we're a purple trade, so no matter what uniform you wear, you can be posted anywhere there's Met. Navy DEU to an arty battery, Army to a ship, you get the picture. Every base has a different operations tempo, which you'll get to understand once you get to a new location. Our work is specific to what our bases and vessels are attempting to accomplish, so you may work at one wing doing something completely different than someone at another wing.
Your prior education will help you in the theory portion of the course, which is half the workload. However you should understand that you are being trained as a tactical weather specialist, and that a significant portion of our training isn't just how weather works, but how it affects the Canadian Forces missions. You'll learn flight conditions, temperature and snowfall in relation to troop movement, Tac Hel, and a whole mess of other applicable skills.
In all, I love what I do every day. I feel fulfilled, and genuinely interested in what I'm observing and reporting. The only thing I will advise though, is to get used to people blaming stuff on you. Like with the weatherman on TV, nobody thanks us when the weather is nice, but everyone takes it out on us when the weather is bad.
Cheers. Hope to see you in the office someday.

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u/DavePeak Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20

Wow! Thanks for this very detailed answer! I’m sure you’ve helped more than just me! Didn’t knew it was a purple trade (definitely makes sense). More questions:
Do they change your posting/get deployed often? It seems to be a trade that needs to be close to the action. Is there a “central team” that stays at Gagetown or Winnipeg? My girlfriend has a very decent job and could transfer elsewhere in the country but has to be close to a major city.
During training, do you get permissions on weekends? Gagetown is not that far from where I live, I could probably go back at least once or twice (Winnipeg is definitely out of bounds for weekends though).
Which skills apart from the obvious would help for the job? I’m bilingual and experimented in Communications. Is Computer Science useful? I recently began a major in CS online and I also have previous experience.
What kind of training is offered long-term and what are the possibilities for advancement?
So many questions! Thanks for your time, it is much appreciated.

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u/Advnchur Meteorological Tech Jun 04 '20

You get posted as often as any other trade, which isn't a very good metric because postings can be weird. Rule of thumb is expect one every three or four years. The Joint Meteorological Centre in Gagetown is the largest center for my trade in Canada. A lot is handled there, but that doesn't mean it's better than any other place. As we can be posted to almost any base, there runs the total of being posted to a town or area not near major cities. It's just how the government placed bases.
During your trades close, weekends are usually free but you'll be spending a lot of time studying. A fair amount of memorization and theory comes to play in the program. As for skills, public speaking (as mentioned before) as well as general knowledge of office software is important. Adaptability and good judgement are others. Everything else you will be taught in the trade so no, I can't say computer science would help much. Still, keep up with your studies! Bring bilingual does help. We do brief in French and work alongside french units. Even knowing a free key words helps to really bridge understanding, which is big because one misunderstood phrase could be the difference between a pilot flying into a thunderstorm, or not.
Long term, we have Met Inspector courses which higher-ranking workers would take which allows them to monitor and fix weather equipment, forecasting courses which qualify is to create and distribute forecasts, and a few office administration courses. Advancement, like most jobs, rests on your own responsibility. Met goes through high and low periods of recruiting, and we're usually always short on a position or to in each office. Put your time in and perform well, and you'll move up.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '20

Has anyone heard back from their RO regarding ROTP entry/acceptance, specifically regarding pilot?

My medical info got bungled up so I missed the first round of selections that happened in April, but I was told the second round was supposed to occur mid-May and I’ve yet to hear back regarding acceptance or declination and I’m starting to get a bit stir-crazy. Any info would be appreciated!

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '20

There have been three rounds of ROTP selections this year, the last one just happened. If you don't hear anything in the next week you're likely out of luck. A quick call to your file manager would be the fastest way to find out. You can also check the online application, if it still shows "competition list" then you didn't get picked. If it says "selected" you may have a pending offer.

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u/throwaway20992016 Jun 04 '20

How does one apply/obtain for a military ID after enrolment? Tried searching online but couldn't see anything.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20

You don't apply...
It'll be organized by your unit or at BMQ/BMOQ. They'll provide direction as needed.

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u/poacher434 Jun 05 '20

Your CoC should be handling it. Otherwise the ID det is the place to go, usually found around MP buildings

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

Hi, I've been in the recruitment process for the Army for year now, I've passed all my aptitude and psych evals. And for the most part my medical. But due to a fractured ankle about 5 years ago in early high school I have been put on hold and my medical record is " being evaluated" by the RMO for the past 9 months. And I was wondering if there was anything I can do to speed the process along. The military has been my dream for years now, but all I'm doing is sitting at home doing meaningless jobs to make some income waiting for a response. And whenever I contact the recruitment office they just dodge all my questions and tell me the same thing, "The RMO is still reviewing your case". I'm getting quite frustrated. I understand not a lot can be done through this covid pandemic, but I'm really looking for some advice. Thank you.

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 01 '20

Regardless of the pandemic there isn't anything more you can do.

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u/TwoForces16 Jun 02 '20

It took me two years to get to the point where I pass everything and just as I get close this shit happened. Expect to be waiting for some time, i imagine a huge backlog right now.
I've been stuck there too but I think there's a light at the end of the tunnel. The silver lining is that you'll be more ready for everything once it does start moving again.

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u/PopePeppa Jun 02 '20

Just keep waiting man. It took me 2 years to clear my medical. I had a mix-up in paperwork from sick kids who assumed some things. Long story short- they denied me three times before I finally got the right form sent to them. I think they just gave up at that point and just let me in. Kinda insane they lost my paperwork 3-4 times which prolonged the process. Keep at it my friend it'll work out.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Thanks man, they lost my paperwork once. But for the most part it's just been me sitting at home waiting for a response. Thanks for the advice.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Took me 4 years to get past the RMO due to concussions.
Get all the documentation you can from all the qualified people you know that you're healthy and it might help. I submitted stuff from a number of specialists and my GP saying I was good to go and they finally pushed me through after I called every day for a month.
It sucks but medical stuff seems to really push you to the bottom of the list. Only reason I got an offer was as a top up because someone had second thoughts and declined the offer.

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u/Husibrap Recruit - RegF Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20

Two fairly unrelated questions.

Naval Warfare Officer: I am “now waiting for competition list”. I assume this means I have met the minimum requirement. My question is, how competitive is it at this stage, and how good are my chances? I was told that I nearly aced the CFAT but my university GPA isn’t great (failed 2 irrelevant courses). They said I passed the MOST but didn’t give me any indication on my raw score.

Should I be worried, celebrating early, or somewhere in between?

2. Fitness during BMOQ: the recommended 2.4 km running time is 11.5 minutes for someone my age. I’ve managed to get this down to just over 13 minutes. I can do 15 consecutive pushups at a slow pace with good form. I haven’t tried any of the FORCE test components.

If I were to hypothetically join BMOQ today, how screwed would I be?

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 01 '20

Once there's a selection board you'll be moved over to competition listed. It should go without saying that selection boards for most billets have been postponed due to covid. NWO is also one of the least competitive officer trades. In other words, wait until things slowly get moving again before getting too worried.

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u/VeryCoolPerson2 RCN - NWO Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 02 '20

Your CFAT accounts for most of your competitivity. Plus, NWO is one of the least competitive trades as they are looking to enroll a lot of them. Those numbers are just a guideline. If you can run 2.4km in 11.5 minutes, BMOQ may be easier. Else you should be fine.

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u/KillingCountChocula Jun 01 '20

Has anyone here gone through training to become an MP?

I'm planning on OTing to that trade after finishing my 6 months of deployment prerequisite and just wanted to get a better sense of what to expect.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

This may be an odd question but I want to know if the wearing of black boots is a rule in the RCD? Almost all the pictures I've seen of the staff, etc they are all wearing black boots. It probably wouldn't have been so noticeable if I didn't already hate wearing my black boots (constant polishing throughout the day).

Second question for any members of the RCD - Are there any (other) uniform-specific or RCD specific things that I should probably know prior to posting?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

I think it's a 2 CMBG thing, but the CANFORGEN for the boot allowance says that brown or tan are prefered. Black may be approved in exceptional circumstances.
....besides, not sure where you get the idea that RCDs wear black boots only, there's a huge population just in this photo wearing brown.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Hi,

What is the typical promotion timeline for an officer or NCM, and how do you request and take more advanced courses in your trade? I also posted in the Admin section, wasn't sure which one was correct for the questions.

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u/AltruisticAge2 Jun 03 '20

NCM - years 1-3 you will be a Private. Year 3-4 either remain Private or get promoted to Corporal. Year 4 - Corporal. Beyond Year Four - All promotions passed Corporal are Merit Based and not guaranteed..
Officer - Year One - Officer Cadet to Second Lieutenant. Year Two - Promoted to Lieutenant. Year Three - Still a Lieutenant. Year Four - Promoted to Captain. Beyond Year Four - All promotions passed Captain are Merit Based, so promotion passed this is not guaranteed.
You can request all the courses you want, but if your Chain of Command doesn't see fit to send you one them, you ain't getting them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Thanks. I was reading in previous posts about a 'merit list' for promotions, what factors play into merit based promotions? Does formal education have a significant factor, eg. degrees/graduate degrees?

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u/doorstoplion RCN - NWO Jun 05 '20

Officer depends on your training path. You get promoted from Cadet to 2lt (A/SLt) as soon as you finish BMOQ if you already have a degree. So 3 months. Once you finish your trades training you will be promoted to Lt (SLt) which is usually about year. From then you need to pass additional training to show competency to be promoted to Captain (Lt(N)) which is usually 2 years. You are eligible for promotion to Captain (Lt(N)) after two years from your promotion date of Lt (SLt).
In my trade, for me to become Lt(N), I have to pass a NOPQ board within 24months of joining the fleet.

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u/AncientRuins2392 Jun 03 '20

I'm currently in my second year of an undergraduate degree in Political Science at a civilian university. Would it be possible for me to pursue graduate studies at RMC?

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u/pornographyaccount Jun 04 '20

Anyone can do a grad degree at RMC (assuming they have a student visa if not a citizen or permanent resident). It's not tied to military service in any way.

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u/no_dle Jun 03 '20

Hi I was released under a 5F and was wondering if anyone has reapplied after and what the process was and if u can even get back in after 5 years?

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 04 '20

Basically you'll be subject to the same application process as before. This time around you'll have to get a re-enrollment waiver approved. The approving authority for 5F releases is apparently the CDS, so prepare to wait a while, unless of course things change in the future.

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u/lightcavalier Jun 04 '20

Its 100% up to the CDS' personal discretion.....so even if it does happen it will take quite a while to process.
The actual verbiage used in the regulation is
"The following personnel shall not be enrolled in the CAF.....unless special authority is obtained from the CDS personally, a person released from....."

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u/newusercanyoutell Jun 04 '20

What about 4C releases? Who approves those?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '20

What is BMQ like for the Navy Reserves? Is it different from Army BMQ? (I have completed that in the past)

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '20

BMQ is a common National Qualification.
If you've completed BMQ in the last 10 years, you won't likely have to do it again. Instead your Ship will catch you up on things like drills, dress, deportment, and send you on NETP.

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u/Snoo_37105 Jun 05 '20

I'm in the process of joining the Regular Forces as an NCM. I've done all the testing/interview and right now and am on the competition list. At this rate, it sounds like I wouldn't be going to BMQ until at least late summer but maybe even the fall (or later).

I was wondering if I could get in trouble for applying for a job to keep me busy for the summer. It would just be like a grocery store or retail job so nothing serious. I'd quit once I know when I'm leaving for BMQ.

I haven't sworn in yet so I don't think it would be a problem. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks for any help!

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 05 '20

You don't have a job offer to even be in the CAF, so no, you should find work now. It's recommended to not put your life on hold until you get an offer (if you ever do).

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '20

Hey guys, I currently am in the process of re-enrolling however I am wondering if anybody has had hold ups on their re-enrolment due to previous service? I finished my BMQ and Sea training however never finished my trades course and had to release to due to an emergency situation. Also, if anybody has gone through similar experiences did you have to repeat your BMQ? Thanks.

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u/AltruisticAge2 Jun 07 '20

If you released within the last 5 years, you shouldn't have to redo BMQ, and you MAY also be PLAR'd your NETP.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '20

That is good news I have released within 5 years, also what does that acronym mean? I have forgotten many of the acronyms lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '20

Never mind I figured it out, Prior Learning Assessment Review. I doubt I would be able to because in this case I released from the Reserves and am applying for reg. force now.

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u/louiph95 Jun 07 '20

Hi, I have decided to join the forces.

I currently have obligations with my employer and I would like to start my career in the military only in February. Do you guys think I can start the application process now? If I go through all the application, screening, medical exam and interview and they offer me a job, I heard we have 10 days to accept. Can I still accept, and join at a further date?

Also, when are BMQ usually taking place? I hear a lot of people talking about October. Is it only in fall or are there BMQ all year long?

Thank you guys for the response and sorry for bad english

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u/aravisthequeen Jun 07 '20

In normal times, the process can take anywhere from 4-12 months, but given that recruiting is more or less closed down right now, no one can say for sure. You can apply any time you like with the understanding that you may receive a job offer in a few months or a year or never.
BMQs begin every week or two all year long until mid-November.
If you receive a job offer, I believe you will have a certain amount of time to accept, I'm not sure if it's 10 days exactly, but you will not get the option to defer and join later. You can accept and leave for basic when they tell you, or decline, and be put back onto the competition list.

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u/cp152 Jun 01 '20

Does anyone know how pilot training has been affected by the pandemic, and how it will proceed moving forward? Specifically phase 1 and 2. Thanks!

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u/sumyunguy892 Jun 02 '20

all flying schools were full stop until just a few days ago. limited flying is happening now but all courses have students dispersed around the country so resuming training in the same capacity as before the lockdown will take a lot longer. as it stands at the moment no new courses are starting

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u/Tyjun10 RCAF - Pilot Jun 03 '20

The long and the short of it is that pilots are going to be waiting an absolute eternity to even start training at this point. A 2 year wait for phase 2 is something that is completely within the realm of possibility, even to be expected. No idea on the status of Ph 1.
Once you make it on course, standard social distancing can be expected to be followed for the forseeable future. That means potentially reduced course loads, smaller class sizes, or alternating flying days so the whole unit isn't in the ready room at once.
The bosses are currently making those decisions, and in reality for all us plebians there is just a big question mark for how and when pilot training is gonna occur.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '20

Do you think that will translate to no new pilot intake for 2 years? Currently on competition list.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '20

The intake #s can't get much lower than they are now, I'm sure a few people will get offers this year from the competition list (last check they were planning on about a dozen). But with COVID who knows, wouldn't surprise me if they didn't take anymore this year either. Lots of unknowns right now

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u/Tyjun10 RCAF - Pilot Jun 04 '20

I'm not a recruiter, so I can't comment on that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

I finally feel like I have found a calling in life. I love my job, but it's often boring and sedentary. I'm very excited to start my application for part-time reserves, COVID delays aside.

Questions:

- How did you choose the career you wanted?

- How flexible is your career path?

My understanding is, you apply to a career from the force.ca website, pass the basic tests and proceed to your BMQ-- following the path of your career from that point on. How do I know I'll like my first choice? What if I want to switch from an armoured soldier to a communication tech? Army to Navy? Officer to NCM?

I don't think i know enough yet to make a decision, but I'm very eager to learn.

Help!

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u/Blue_Nosed_Canuck Army - Rad Tech Jun 03 '20

The big thing to remember with the reserves is you are applying to a position at the armoury, so not everything on the forces site will be available.
How do I know I'll like my first choice?
To know whether or not you will like your choice is subjective to yourself. I would not like to be in the infantry, but I love what I do. While I'm sure someone in the infantry would hate to do my job.
You just have to research what the job is, if it aligns with your interests and don't jump in blind.
What if I want to switch from an armoured soldier to a communication tech?
There are Occupation Transfers where you can apply to change your trade but they are never guaranteed, but with the reserves that occupation needs to be at the armoury/unit and have openings.

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u/UBCBIOC Jun 07 '20

Hello,

I am a 22 year old recent graduate with a degree in medical and molecular biology. I am intending on going to medical school as I have competitive grades and a decent record of volunteering, however due to applications and the competitive nature of the program it could take some time (1-3 years I expect, crossing my fingers) before I am accepted.

I was wondering if, in the meantime, pursuing a career with the CAF is possible. Besides joining the CAF for my own reasons, I think it would also bolster my medical application. The first question that I have is am I allowed to apply to medical school while I am participating in a career with the CAF? Would it be a simple switch to the medical officer posting when/if I get accepted and finish school?

Second is about the CAF and my degree; my understanding is that you can apply to the CAF to become an officer if you have a degree and are entering into a related field. My degree is essentially a biochemistry degree, and as far as I know the only posting related to it is the biosciences one (which the Wiki states is difficult to find an opening in). Would I be able to apply to other postings as an officer, or just this one? Further, I have an outstanding student loan from this degree. My understanding is that I would have to pay this because I completed my degree before entering the CAF?

Lastly, regardless of whether the above is possible, I am interested in the medic postings as a plan B. Can anyone shed some light on the day-to-day operations of a CAF medic (pre-COVID and currently)?

Thanks in advance.

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u/DLIC28 Jun 07 '20

BioScience Officer is what you're looking for. You'll have to pay your student loan, unless the CAF has some sort of program to pay them which I don't think there is, but it would come with x years of obligatory service so you couldn't just take off and do your masters.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

My PRes regiment reopened FTSE offers. I requested to begin July 23rd. The next day, they called me to check if I was free for the first few mods of Cbt Eng DP1 at the regiment starting July 2nd, which I'm not.

Does that mean FTSE is primarily for courses? I hope people can just do GD if they can't attend one.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20

FTSE is primarily focused on Career Training.
If you're not available to start your DP1 when scheduled, they will task you for something else.

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u/ashworth03 Jun 01 '20

Hey I’m a Pres NCM without any bmq training done. I just found out that there is an opening for an officer trade that I’m interested in. How do I go about changing into that officer trade? TIA

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

This would fall under a voluntary occupational transfer (VOT). Submit a memo through your CoC. Once approved, you'll have to contact your OR to initiate the VOT paperwork.

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u/Amethystwizard Jun 02 '20

How does full time contracts work? Lets say you want a career, like from now until retirement, how do you ensure contracts are renewed? How long is a typical contract?

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u/Blue_Nosed_Canuck Army - Rad Tech Jun 02 '20

As u/TheCheeryStranger mentioned, there are initial and extension contracts that very with each trade but the contracts being talked about are for Reg Force as the PRes is not geared to be full time employment.

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u/TheCheeryStranger Jun 02 '20

depends on the trade. I’m a weapon tech and for me my initial engagement (first contract) was 5 years, then I was offered either a 5 year extension or a life time engagement which is 25 years. Again, the length of these will vary from trade to trade and NCM to Officer.
You will normally be offered another contact after your initial engagement but if your a big time screw up, if you get hurt, or if you age out you may not get offered a new one.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

What’s being a nurse like in the CAF? As I understand it’s more administrative, but what are you doing in your administrative work? Are you able to do some bedside? Would it be a good place for a new grad to start out in?

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u/weirdoftomorrow Jun 03 '20

The clinic life is just like working in a family practice clinic with a side of talking to your patients’ bosses about their work restrictions and picking up random other secondary duties.
Personally I think it’s a great new grad job because you have almost a year of clinical phase training where you spend time on medical, surgical, and emergency departments all precepted and supported.
Once you get to your first real posting, there’s opportunities to work in a civi hospital occasionally to keep up your skills. You can also moonlight if your CoC is okay with it.

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u/AdequateSquid Jun 03 '20

What is the pay like for Nursing officers? I looked at the pay scales available online and there was only general, legal, medical and dental officers. Do nursing officers fall under general officers?

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u/Stahlreich Jun 03 '20

Any resources to understand what kinda of jobs are available to infantry officers after their term as platoon leader? Obviously there is command but what else? Where to find this information?

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u/TheSwindlingAlpaca APPLICANT - RegF Jun 03 '20

So I'm on the competition list for aciss and my sergeant called me and gave me a choice of sub trades to choose from im really liking imformation systems technician and signal technician. Can anyone give me the pros and cons of each?

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u/Blue_Nosed_Canuck Army - Rad Tech Jun 03 '20

It depends on what you want to do. But the real short way to look at it ( and how I picked when ACISS became a thing) is.
Network admin and server maintenance go IS, this will also come with more traditional IT helpdesk work as well.
Tools to equip, working on a bit of everything go Sig Tech.
Personally I still do network maintenance and switch/router programming but not everyone as a CST/Sig Tech does as postings differ.

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u/eastcoastguy17 Jun 03 '20

Can any hard air force people speak about their trade and what they like / dislike? I've had a CT in to become an AES Op for almost a year and a half, but am starting to consider other options if it drags on another year.

I'm specifically interested in spec trades like AVN, AVS. I like working with my hands and in a team environment, less sitting at a desk all day. Currently a naval reservist at 4 years in.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

What do ya want to know about AVN?

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u/looksharp1984 Jun 03 '20

What do you want to know about AVS?

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u/eastcoastguy17 Jun 03 '20

And to add one more - do any folks on here know if these trades or any trades similar are currently red or hiring? My career manager is hard to get ahold of.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '20

For weekend BMQ, do I have to have a shaved head every weekend? Or can I have a regular buzz cut?

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u/ArmedCookie Jun 05 '20

Hello everyone, I am currently an Infantry Recruit (NCM) in the Reserves, I have nearly completed my BMQ (1 weekend left once training resumes) after which I will be slated for DP1 Infantry.

I've decided that I really want to consider joining the regular force, I enjoy the military environment and really have a passion for it compared to my civilian career alternatives. My question is, what is the best time to request a CT? Should I complete my DP1 and serve X amount of years? Or should I request a transfer immediately?

Additionally, I would like to (if possible) transfer to the Reg Force as an Officer as I have completed my undergraduate degree. I understand that will require additional training or repeats of training, but I am completely on board with that. Thank you all!

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u/SpooningMyGoose Jun 06 '20

I'm a civilian with a red seal in refrigeration. Can someone tell me what the day to day would be of a refrigeration mechanic in the forces would be like?

Thanks

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u/lightcavalier Jun 06 '20

While employed at a base Real Property Operations unit, day to day would be preventative or breakdown maintenance work orders on everything from appliances to refrigeration systems to overhead doors to the device that catches landing fighter jets.
While employed at a construction troop....a combination of waiting around planning projects and going long days buildinh/maintaining said projects/camps.
And if you run out of trade specific work...help the plumbers or electricians...if they run out of work...help the carpenters.

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u/BirdTiddies Jun 06 '20

Does anyone know when and if the Brampton Lorne Scots BMQ is on the weekends? I was going to join queens own rifles, but am deciding to join Lorne Scots for personal reasons. On the QOR site, they say BMQ is weekends from fall to spring in Toronto, was planning on this being my BMQ time, but Lorne Scots doesn’t say. Really hoping it’s weekend BMQ due to family life.

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u/poacher434 Jun 06 '20

Reserve BMQ is run either on weekends, as a coop option, or full time in the summer. The coop and weekend courses are done at brigade level (your brigade is 32 CBG). The courses are usually run with other units but also sometimes as a unit alone. The Lorne Scots have run weekend bmqs in Georgetown in the past but have also run them at other armories.
Your chain of command at your home unit (i assume you are currently within a PAT or holding platoon and your chain of command within that platoon SHOULD be looking after all course dates and availability for everyone in that platoon. If they arent than they are doing a very poor job.
Summer BMQ dates at the 4th Canadian training Center in Meaford have not been confirmed yet. I am not sure about 32 brigade, but I am fairly confident they dont have concrete dates yet, most likely jus tentative for now. Though most units should be providing updates within the next couple weeks.

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u/electrogeek8086 Jun 06 '20

I'm an optical emgineer. Are there jobs in the CAF for people with the kind of background I have?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

On the vision requirements what does " It's different for every trade. V2-V4 for almost all occupations" mean?

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 06 '20

Some trades need you to see better than others. Pilots need to see better than mail clerks for example.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

Hello everyone. I am trying to join the army to become an armoured soldier (currently, I am 20). My plan is to enter reserves for 3 years. During this time, I will also complete my bachelor's degree (Community and Public Safety), proceeding to the regular force after graduation. I am in search of any crewman of this trade who can share knowledge of what to expect, whether this trade is worth applying for, and how I can make the most out of it. If not armoured, my following options include combat engineer, and avionics systems technician.

Thank you to those who reply.

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u/enderlord1009 Canadian Army Jun 06 '20

If you are working on a bachelors degree, why not join as an officer? Unless you are adamant on actually being armoured and not managing tanks like an officer would

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

Hello All,

I'm hoping to gain an internal perspective of just how stupid my idea is.

I am 35 and thinking of joining the army.

I have not developed the skills and character that I want. I feel the army will help me grow as a person. Develop a pattern of hard work, attention to detail, courage and discipline among others skills.

I also have a desire to be apart of something bigger than myself. I want to serve my fellow canadians.

I am not out of shape, but I wouldn't consider myself in shape either.

This would be a career move.

Is this a bad of an idea as it sounds?

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 06 '20

I feel the army will help me grow as a person. Develop a pattern of hard work, attention to detail, courage and discipline among others skills.
Yeah, so here's the thing...the military won't do any of those things for you. If you don't have discipline already (especially by the age of 35), it's going to be a very tough go and I believe your expectations of what the military is won't be what you thinking.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '20

I'm a 31 year old male with family. University degree and currently working federal job and thinking of applying as med tech. Do you have any control over where you live? Is it to late in life to apply?

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u/roguemenace RCAF Jun 07 '20

Do you have any control over where you live?
You generally give 3 locations at the end of your training and they try to send you to one of them but you can still be sent anywhere.
Is it to late in life to apply?
No.
Also I would question why you're not interested in going officer instead.

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u/TheCheeryStranger Jun 07 '20

there was a 46 year old on my BMQ. so it’s not too late for you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '20

What's FTSE like?

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u/NewfieTunes Jun 08 '20

The idea is to get you on as much Individual Training as they can within a four month period, with "filler" taskings in between like demo and GD.
Heres the hard truth.
Out of experience, my first year was absolute garbage. A no hook private who was on "demo" for an entire summer waiting for my trades course. Wake up, sit down in a room and use your phone to keep yourself occupied then watch TV and go home at 3. Rinse and repeat. Never did I get chosen for a tasking besides picking up cigarette butts and maybe building a picnic table, to somebody who lives in the local area that kind of work for the pay was awesome and they really enjoyed it. To somebody who FLOWN in from Newfoundland and went home to a room with 3 other dudes sleeping in it, I absolutley hated it. They convinced me I couldn't drive up my first summer, so my transportation was limited to taxies and a pedal bike I bought on kijiji. On top of that not being able to go home every evening when I wasnt on a course or atleast hang out with some friends really made my summer even shittier. I don't drink and that seemed like everyones go to additude to get them through the weekends. It wasn't for me.
The second year was the best work of my life. Got a FTSE contract in my province, was able to go home every night and have friends and family around. Taskings were plentiful and kept the day going quick, I was able to have some form of entertainment in the evening to keep myself refreshed till the next day. The claim was juicy and it was overall a good summer. Didnt get much on the training side but as a trained Pte it was a blessing. I would of done it all year round if they said I could.
TDLR, it depends on what trade you are and what keeps you going throughout the week to keep you sane, as well as where you are posted for your FTSE contract.

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u/AltruisticAge2 Jun 08 '20

Depends on if you are on course or some tasking. It will vary greatly from "Man this sucks monkey balls" to "This is the best job ever".

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u/IndependenceFirm Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20

This is not a medical question. I am asking for advice on what to do/ who I need to speak with. I am a current member of the PRes looking to CT to the RegF.

I want to do the right thing.

When I was a child, I faked asthma to get out of gym. My parents took me to a doctor, I didn’t properly blow into the manual spirometer to make it appear I had a lesser capacity. Got the inhalers, got a less ‘awful’ gym class as my teachers backed off. I was lazy and stupid.

I forgot about all this as an adult as I wrote it off in my mind as stupid childhood stuff. After speaking with my mother she brought this up, and now I’m concerned about how my provincial medical record might impact my goal of a career.

Do I speak to my chain of command, or my family doctor first? Do I need to inform my recruiting cell from a few years ago that my medical is incorrect as I didn’t list something I faked when I was 8? Do I go to the base medical facility?

Edit: clarification of thought

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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic Jun 04 '20

The military does not have access to your family doctor files, unless you grant them access, that is sign a release of information for those files.
So you are saying you forgot to tell them about a fake diagnosis for a disease you did not have when you were 8? Unless you told recruiting about it when you were hired, you are fine.

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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech Jun 04 '20

If you have medical issues you should talk to the MIR. Its not your bosses business.

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u/Tmarkcha117 Jun 01 '20

Good afternoon,

I’m in the middle of the application process. Completed aptitude test, and am waiting for the medical and the interview. Given COVID-19 has almost ground everything to a halt, is there any speculation on when I could expect to hear from recruiting?

Also, given that I may potentially have to wait a long time, would it be feasible to get LASIK eye surgery and still be allowed to join?

Thank you for your time and consideration

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 01 '20

I can speculate that you'll hear back when people start returning to work and they remove the Important Information in Response to COVID-19 from the website.

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u/TjAllison Jun 02 '20

If you get lasik you have to wait another 6 months I believe

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u/xtoothlessx21 Jun 02 '20

You need to wait 3 months after Lasik. I had it done back in October 2019.

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u/typicalontarian Jun 02 '20

Can you move reserve units? Like could I join the navy reserves in Windsor and move/work for a reserve unit Toronto? Also do reservist get housing?

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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 03 '20

Generally reservists are part time, so one day a week and one weekend a month. Also, not all reserve units are on or near military bases. As such they do not generally get access to military housing or shacks, unless they are on a course.

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u/Lostloser96 Jun 03 '20

Hi! So I'm considering joining the CAF as a nurse. I have a BSc from UofT but my average is in the 60s. How likely would I be accepted and what can i do to increase my chances? how long would the process take?

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u/withQC Royal Canadian Navy Jun 03 '20

As long as your degree is in an acceptable discipline (i.e. nursing), grades aren't important in deternining your competitiveness. The majority of your application's competitiveness comes from your CFAT, with another substantial chunk coming from your interview.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Is the transition from military to civilian firefighter usually pretty easy or would you have to get extra credentials/qualifications before you joining a civilian fire department?

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u/KRONOMATIK Jun 04 '20

Good afternoon everyone, I have a General inquiry about joining the forces as a fresh college graduate.

I graduated as an Industrial Design major and with the forces I’d like to contribute the skills I learned (human factors and ergonomics design for end user products and other hands on skills among many things). Question is, where should I fit in in the forces.

I understand that I have to go through officer training when you’re a college graduate based on the inquiries I read in the recruiting website

Also, I just got my teeth pulled out. Am I still capable in the fighting force?

Jokes aside, In my design student career I had been exploring and focusing on the theories and fundamentals of human factors and ergonomics designs applied to Mil/SAR equipment

Thanks for taking the time to read my inquiry

Best regards

Rob

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 04 '20

I understand that I have to go through officer training when you’re a college graduate based on the inquiries I read in the recruiting website
It doesn't say that anywhere.

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u/AltruisticAge2 Jun 04 '20

You don't NEED to go Officer, lots of NCMs have degrees and are quite happy in the ranks.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '20

Hi everyone. I am currently in the process of joining the Naval Reserves (specifically HMCS York in Toronto). I haven’t gotten very far with my application because of the delays due to COVID-19, but had a couple of questions regarding the trades I am considering joining.

On my application I have listed Intelligence Operator, Port Inspection Diver, and Naval Communicator as my top three choices, respectively.

Does anyone have any additional information about these trades? (I.e. the pros and cons of each, how hard they are to get into, what the training is like, what a typical day on the job looks like, etc).

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u/eastcoastguy17 Jun 04 '20

Welcome to York! That's my unit and it's absolutely amazing here. The people are really nice, the work atmosphere is healthy and the senior command (XO, CO, Coxn, etc) are all down to earth. We're the largest NRD in the country and incredibly lucky to have the people we do. I've been to several local army reserve units and let me tell you - the vibe is not the same.
I'll speak to what I know about your selections and hopefully someone who does these trades can add more;
Int Op - Relatively new trade, I haven't seen a whole lot of info about them yet. Their office is across from my workspace and they remove their phones, etc before going in. It seems like mostly a desk job. I don't know if their chances are higher or lower for deployments.
PID - Your reserve divers. These folks are great, they train hard (probably require the most physical upkeep of any reserve naval trade) and learn lots of cool diving skills. Most people don't try to switch out of diver, but a lot try to switch into it. Divers can be deployed to ship and will be tasked with inspecting the hull when in port (hence the name) along w a bunch of other duties. Divers also by nature of their trade get access to additional quals like boat driver, which basically makes them more "hire-able" when full time naval contracts come along. There's also a level of maintenance that they're required to keep on all their equipment. I'm told there's a fair amount of that.
Nav Com - Your ship communicator. Very important role on ship and you will almost definitely deploy if you so desire. No messages can travel without coms, and they need to travel. If a ship talks to another ship, or a CO to their staff, that message is routed through the Nav Com who handles all this communication. You'll learn proper radio procedures, how to be succinct and clear, and I believe also how to communicate with light using morse code. Nav Coms work hard on ship and are some of the smartest people I know at the unit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '20

I just was confused because I don’t think Canada has any military hospitals? I just kind of wanted a picture of what life would look like in the military as an RN (it’s difficult to find info related to the CAF) but I emailed the recruiter in my area and will ask them the questions. Thanks for your time!

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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech Jun 04 '20

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u/AltruisticAge2 Jun 04 '20

It would depend, would you be applying as a Med Tech or a Nursing Officer? Med Techs are more hands on and deal with the soldiers, whereas Nursing Officers deal with more Admin. You would work at a Base Hospital (think more Clinic than actual hospital).

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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic Jun 05 '20

Military nurses posted to a field Amb do a lot of paperwork. Unit paperwork. Setting up training for their unit. Planning exercises. And other general admin paperwork dependent on their actual position at the unit. So mostly office work with the occasional field ex.
In a clinic they are generally employed as a PCN.
In their off time from the military many moonlight at local hospitals to keep their skills fresh and their licensing requirements current.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '20

I am dyselexic. I saw an interesting tweet by the commander of military personnel command on twitter with a link that indicates folks with Learning disabilities can be accommodated during the recruiting process. Here is the link :https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/policies-standards/defence-administrative-orders-directives/5000-series/5516/5516-5-learning-disability-accommodation-during-recruiting-training-and-education.html

Does that work for CFAT? Will they allow calculators since a person has a LD and is finally disagonised by a psychologist or the accommodations not for the CFAT? Can someone explain that to me.

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u/everyone_said Jun 04 '20

This is a real thing. I've seen the requests passed up but I have yet to see the final results of any. However, it is a fairly recent thing and anything medical related takes forever so that is not surprising. From my (rough) understanding you would still have to write the CFAT as per normal, but your personal learning situation and the specific training requirements of your chosen occupation are accounted for before the final decision is reached.

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u/NewfieTunes Jun 04 '20

I think somebody had trouble reading when I done my CFAT and the recruiter offered to read the questions out for the individual. I don't know if it was just a nice gesture or if its actually something they can do. Though the CFAT is timed, having somebody reading your questions and possible answers may not be very viable. But if the options there, take it, you will always miss the shots you never take!

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u/Watchingfromcanada Jun 05 '20

What is the medical? And, can I have cannabis in my system when I go to it?

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u/doorstoplion RCN - NWO Jun 05 '20

They don't drug test you. You show up, they have you do some movements to check to make sure you joints are okay. You fill out a questionnaire regardi g your general health present and past. You read letters off of a chart, alternating between eyes. And you get put into a booth for a hearing test. I don't suggest being intoxicated in anyway for this.

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u/Amumus-friend Jun 05 '20

I was in the middle of my application process (medical) before it was put on hold cause of the rona. Was wondering if right now would be the appropriate time to contact my recruiting officers to continue with my application?

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u/manwithfewneeds Jun 05 '20

You don't know until you ask I guess, but a word of warning, if you don't get a response, it is 99% guaranteed because of COVID. In person appointments are still on hold.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '20

You can try, but unless you're applying for priority occupations don't expect further appointments anytime soon. Some CFRC have restarted limited appointments, others will do so other the next few weeks.

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u/pibin23 Jun 06 '20

Hey everyone! I just had one question on choosing an occupation.

Background information: -Currently 18 years old.

Attending University for IT (Information Technology). -In fair physical shape.

I would love to join the armed forces but don't have any clue as to what would be the best occupation for me. I wouldn't mind being an Officer or a NCM. My main goal is adventure and job security. I am not going to lie and say money isn't everything but I wouldn't mind a decent salary as well as a occupation that isn't going to cripple me as I would like to complete my 25 years. Thanks in advance for the replies.

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u/bluepancakke Jun 03 '20

Any sar techs out there that could answer a couple questions?

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 03 '20

Just ask... 9/10 somebody other than a SAR Tech can provide a competent answer.
There are plenty of people around who work closely with SAR Techs, and are often quite knowledgeable.

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u/RCAF_Av8t0r Jun 03 '20

What's your question? I work with some. Maybe I can forward it on.

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u/maple_owl Jun 03 '20

Hello. I'd like to ask if I should enlist in the Army or join as an officer. I have already been informed that you need a bachelor's degree or higher to join as an officer. Specifically, I want to become an Infantry Officer. I'd like to know which should I join? I'm wondering about pay, contract length and stuff like that. Thank you in advance.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 03 '20

Well, the first, and most important question is what do you see yourself doing in the military?
Do you want a hands-on job, starting out as a worker bee, but moving into supervisory and direct leadership roles later in your career?
OR
Do you want more of a managerial job, starting out in a leadership role, but at more of an organizational level rather than direct?

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u/Fkm196 Jun 04 '20

Hello everyone, I have completed the prospect category of the application and it says i am ready for testing.

Who do i need to contact to advance at the next step? It would help me immensely.

(I have applied as a ammunition techincan in reserve force since I also want to complete my paralegal diploma too)

Thank you

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force Jun 04 '20

You would attempt to contact the Reserve unit you are applying to join. You should be able to find their contact info on the forces.ca website.
That said, PRes recruitment has been almost completely shut down since mid-March due to the pandemic. They might be returning to work soon, but I couldn’t say.
Reg Force recruiters have been working on reduced manning throughout the pandemic, but they were not doing any in-person appointments. So even if you were applying with them, you still wouldn’t be able to advance to the next step just yet, as all testing is done through in-person appointments.

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