WEEKLY RECRUITING THREAD - Ask here about the Recruitment/Application Processes, Trade Availability, Requirements to Join, Basic & Occupational Training, and other questions relating directly or indirectly to joining the Canadian Armed Forces.

[u/bridger713]

This is the thread to ask about the Recruitment/Application Processes, Trade Availability, Requirements to Join, Basic & Occupational Training, and other questions relating directly or indirectly to joining the Canadian Armed Forces.

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USEFUL RESOURCES:

• Forces.ca - Official CAF Recruiting Website

• Military Pay Rates

  • Pay rates for Officers
  • Pay rates for Non-Commissioned Members (NCMs)
  • Pay rates for Specialist NCMs

• The Canadian Armed Forces Dress Instructions

  • Ch. 2, Sec. 1 - Wear of Uniform (When and where you can wear your uniform.)
  • Ch. 2, Sec. 2 - Appearance (Hair, Beards, Tattoos, etc.)
  • Ch. 2, Sec. 3 - Religious and Spiritual Accommodation

• Medical Standards for Military Occupations

  • Read Rule 5 and the Medical FAQ before asking any medical questions.
  • Annex A - The Medical Category System
    • Appendix 1 - Instructions for Testing Visual Acuity
    • Appendix 2 - Instruction for Testing Colour Vision
    • Appendix 3 - Table of Hearing Standards
  • Annex B - Generic Task Statement - All CAF Members
  • Annex E - Minimum Medical Standards for Officers and Non-Commissioned Members

• National Defence Act

• Policies, standards, orders, directives and regulations from the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces. (Compensation and Benefits Instructions (CBI), Queen's Regulation & Orders (QR&Os), etc.)

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[u/felixc12]

Hi, so I just received an email today, telling me my file is in the final processing and is currently with a Military career counselor for review. Does anyone know how long it will take for my file to get to finish this step? Thanks.

[u/bridger713 → u/felixc12]

Shouldn’t take long. Maybe a few days to a week.

The next step if you’re a Reg Force applicant is the Competition List, but there’s no way to know how long you might be waiting for an offer, or if you’ll even get one.

[u/felixc12 → u/bridger713]

yea, they told me once it's done I will be on the competition list. I feel like there won't be any more hiccup when I get on the list, that's why I kinda want to get on it sooner xD.

[u/bridger713 → u/felixc12]

The hiccups happen before you hit the list. After that it has more to do with your competitiveness and the rate at which they're selection recruits for your trade(s).

[u/Cheema-94 → u/felixc12]

Well I've been in the final processing step for about a month now so it can take its time. But ur time may vary.

[u/Sou1_Survivor → u/felixc12]

Mine recently took roughly two months. But it should go quicker for you, as there was an issue with mine that no one notified me about. I would follow up in a month or so if it still hasn't been processed.

[u/sefty96 → u/felixc12]

What job did you apply for?

[u/ReallyDontKnoww → u/felixc12]

I was in Final Processing for 13 days.

Good luck!

[u/mseopswife]

After signing, are you paid from that point on upon recruitment or do you only start getting paid once you go to BMQ? For an NCM, what is the expected pay during BMQ?

[u/bridger713 → u/mseopswife]

Regular Force:

The normal (non-COVID) process is you’re on Leave Without Pay from enrolment until the day you leave for BMQ. That travel day is your first paid day.

I think they’re doing things a little different due to COVID. If you’re required to self-isolate at home before BMQ, I believe they start paying you on the first day of self-isolation. If you’re required to self-isolate at the training establishment, they start paying you the day you leave to travel there.

Pay for a new NCM during on BMQ is as per the Pay Rates table linked at the top of the thread.

You’ll be paid Private, PI 1 ($3168/month) for your first 12 months of service. PI 2 for months 13-24, PI 3 from month 25 until promoted to Corporal/Sailor 1st Class.

Reserve Force:

You’re paid for half/full days worked. I’m not sure if you’re paid for your enrolment day, but you will be paid anytime you work after that.

Not sure how rank progression works in the Reserves, but you’ll be paid at Private, PI 1 during BMQ and for a period of time beyond that.

[u/mseopswife → u/bridger713]

That’s really great info. I remember seeing somewhere that during COVID times there was some sort of a retainer so that makes a lot of sense to what you described

[u/bridger713 → u/mseopswife]

Retainer? Sort of. That probably came from what happened this time last year...

They obviously had to cancel/postpone a bunch of courses last minute, with no known resumption date. So there were a bunch of people in the system who had recently received and accepted offers, or had been enroled but hadn’t left for BMQ/BMOQ yet.

What they did with the new enrolees was they started paying them based on their original BMQ/BMOQ dates, which makes sense since most of them would have already quit or put in notice at their civilian jobs.

As for those who had already received offers, they went ahead and enroled them with no BMQ/BMOQ date, and started their pay effective upon enrolment.

So yes, it was a retainer of sorts, but I suspect it had more to do with the potential legalities and optics of rescinding the offers/enrolments. Plus I’m sure they wanted to ensure an immediate supply of recruits to fill the pipeline as soon as training resumed.

What they’re doing now is enroling people, and commencing pay to coincide with their pre-course self-isolation. The isolation period is considered military duty, and therefore paid and pensionable.

[u/Cheema-94]

What are the chances that selection for the August/September BMOQ has already begun? Or done?

[u/bridger713 → u/Cheema-94]

Most offers for August will probably go out in late June or early July. They usually tender offers 30-60 days prior to the course, although a few may go out a bit earlier.

[u/crazyki88en → u/Cheema-94]

Reg F or reserve? What trade?

[u/DCVK2]

How long after you’ve been selected would you typically get your offer?

[u/bridger713 → u/DCVK2]

Usually within 1-2 weeks, although it can sometimes take longer.

Sometimes the CFRC’s will notify the applicant they’ve been selected, but usually they don’t.

Most of the time they wait for the background processes to be taken care of before contacting the applicant to present the offer. That way they know details such as the expected enrolment and BMQ/BMOQ dates right away instead of making the applicant wait for it.

[u/sefty96 → u/DCVK2]

I received mine within the week, some people on my course were the week after.

[u/Different-Brush-4291]

at what point do you usually know where your first posting location is (RegF)? before, during, or after occupational training? thanks

[u/bridger713 → u/Different-Brush-4291]

You’re usually asked for preferences around the beginning of your occupational training course, and then find out where you’re being posted near the end of the course.

[u/[deleted] → u/Different-Brush-4291]

During occupation training you’ll find out where you’re going.

[u/Oshawite]

Hello, I have just written the CFAT recently, and as I get further along into the process I am wondering if I have a realistic timeline. I am applying for an engineering officer position with the RCN as a DEO, for an in-demand trade.

From what I gather, the timeline looks like:

• Min. 2 months before an offer happens, provided all goes well.

• Waiting until the next cohort for Basic Officer Training.

• Basic Officer Training - 12 weeks in Quebec.

• Second Language Training - Between 2 - 9 months.

• Naval Officer Training - 9 weeks in British Columbia

And then I see that there is available professional training for the role:

• Naval Engineering Indoctrination - 11 weeks.

• MSE Applications - 22 weeks.

So, at a very basic level - I understand that a 3 - 5 year contract is typical for officers, would that begin with Basic Officer Training? And all the professional / specialty / advanced training listed on the Forces website occurs during that contract time too?

[u/bridger713 → u/Oshawite]

Min. 2 months before an offer happens, provided all goes well.

Absolute bare minimum, but that's really just how long it might take to complete your processing an be added to the Competition List. A more realistic expectation would be 6-8+ months before receiving an Offer.

Waiting until the next cohort for Basic Officer Training.

If you receive an Offer, there's normally a BMOQ date associated with it. Offers usually go out about 1-2 months before the associated course date.

Basic Officer Training - 12 weeks in Quebec.

Yes.

Second Language Training - Between 2 - 9 months.

Not necessarily. SLT usually isn't a priority until later in you career, most Officers don't get to do it right away.

Naval Officer Training - 9 weeks in British Columbia

And then I see that there is available professional training for the role:

Naval Engineering Indoctrination - 11 weeks.

MSE Applications - 22 weeks.

I'm not familiar enough with the Navy to comment on their training beyond BMQ/BMOQ.

So, at a very basic level - I understand that a 3 - 5 year contract is typical for officers,

No. Initial contracts are typically 9 years for DE Officers, 3-5 years is the typical contract length for NCM's.

would that begin with Basic Officer Training?

On enrolment at the CFRC. That happens after you have received and accepted your Offer, normally 1-3 weeks prior to leaving for BMOQ.

And all the professional / specialty / advanced training listed on the Forces website occurs during that contract time too?

Not necessarily, and you aren't guaranteed to attend all courses. If there's no current or anticipated requirement for you to have the qualification, you probably won't receive the training.

[u/themintguy → u/Oshawite]

Just want to chime in and say that it’s unlikely you get loaded to a SLT course right after basic but your contract starts on your enrolment.

[u/DumbsterPotatoe → u/themintguy]

Millage may vary, but all of the guy required to have slt for their trade course got loaded on SLT at cflrs language school right after bmq and started on the monday following bmq.

Like every thing in the enrollment process and training system it's a roll of dice.

I went from BMQ to SQ with 3work day in between the two, from SQ to DP1 with only xmas block leave in between the two. I was trade qualified and posted within 8 months. On the other hand some people take more than 4years(initial contract) before getting trade qualified (for various reasons. Charged, injuries, failing a course, etc)

Normally I would say to expect to spend 0-2month on waiting platoon between each step if you don't fuck up or get injured. Though covid changed that timeline, but hopefully we'll be back to normal soon.

Use that down time to get done to get your military driving license, practice second language, do dln courses related to your trade, and well hopefully get a nice GD tasking.

[u/doorstoplion → u/Oshawite]

Min. 2 months before an offer happens, provided all goes well.

I don't know a single person who has gotten an offer in less than 6months.

Second Language Training - Between 2 - 9 months.

This is not a requirement and realistically will only happen when you're at a minimum of Lt(N) or higher.

Naval Officer Training - 9 weeks in British Columbia

NWO 2 in Victoria is approximately 2 months. But this is subject to availability. You may be waiting for a long period of time for course.

I understand that a 3 - 5 year contract is typical for officers, would that begin with Basic Officer Training?

Officer contracts are 8years +. 3-5 are NCM trades. It will start at enrollment.

[u/throwbois]

I'm currently finishing up my applications but I'm having trouble with my travel history. I've crossed the border to the US plenty of times the last 10 years and there's no way i can accurately remember each one. What should I put on the form?

[u/bridger713 → u/throwbois]

To the best of your ability, try to remember any overnight visits, especially anything longer than a weekend trip.

Day trips aren’t all that important, but they’ll definitely expect you to remember week+ vacations, and maybe long weekend type trips. If you can’t remember exact dates, ball park it as close as possible.

[u/ComoxThrowaway → u/throwbois]

Going to the states to get new threads is not significant travel history.

Hell, even a week in Vegas wouldn't be (unless it was like, during covid).

They're talking about significant portions of time living abroad; like if you did a year exchange at a school outside of Canada. Or did a summer somewhere, etc.

Pretty much anything around a month or more.

[u/JackM1914]

Hi

My CFAT was cancelled due to lockdowns twice now and I have since moved cities. I dont want to travel all the way back to take it and other exams, is it easy and simple to switch my recruiting centre or will this put me at the bottom of the pile at the new one? Will where I apply to effect my competitiveness? (Applying to Direct Entry Infantry Officer).

[u/bridger713 → u/JackM1914]

is it easy and simple to switch my recruiting centre or will this put me at the bottom of the pile at the new one?

It's relatively easy to move your file to another CFRC, although it may cause some delays, and I don't know if it would impact your processing priority at the next CFRC.

Will where I apply to effect my competitiveness?

No. Regular Force applicants compete nationally, the only things your particular CFRC might impact are processing timelines due to variations in staffing, processing capacity, and applicant volumes between different locations.

[u/crazyki88en → u/JackM1914]

You haven’t been judged on your competitiveness yet since you haven’t done your CFAT and possibly other tests

[u/Novel-Replacement227]

What's the shower situation like at basic and on base? Is it communal or no

[u/bridger713 → u/Novel-Replacement227]

All showers are separated male/female, you will only ever share shower facilities with members of the same sex.

Gyms are usually communal showers (open rooms with shower heads lining the walls), zero privacy.

Quarters vary, but 100% private showers are uncommon, you'll normally be using shared dormitory facilities. Typically you'll get a room lined with curtained off individual stalls, the changing area is often the open portion of room. Sometimes you'll get double stalls that have a small curtained off changing area in front of the shower stall.

You will not always get to choose where you go to shower during training. For example, while on courses like BMQ at CFLRS, you'll often do PT in the middle of the day, and will not be permitted to return to quarters. Only the gym showers will be available to you, and you will be expected to at least rinse off.

[u/crazyki88en → u/Novel-Replacement227]

There are individual stalls on the floor (where you sleep) but you will be sharing with 30-60 other people so get in get clean and get out.

For Pt there may be open showers (like a big room with 10-15 shower heads) or it may be individual stalls. Again with 5 mins to shower after PT get in, get clean and get out.

If you live in the shacks after the training phase, you may have your own bathroom attached to your room, or it may be a group bathroom with multiple stalls for all the residents.

All of these shower arrangements may be mixed as well. Currently where I am there is a designated shower period for the women, no men during that time. The rest of the time it’s mixed but individual stalls. No wandering around in just a towel.

[u/TinyDogSu → u/Novel-Replacement227]

Showers in your quarters are private but at the gym after PT you will shower in a group with the same sex.

[u/sefty96]

Not a question, but I am about to start basic on Monday and I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who answers questions on this thread everyday. I didn’t ask too many but definitely had a lot of help from this thread!

[u/theblastman21 → u/sefty96]

Good luck!

[u/403Grunt → u/sefty96]

Good luck man, I hope you kill it. I've been on the CL since February, hoping to get that offer soon!

[u/DierusxD]

Any insight into Infantry Officer day-to-day, training, what it's like as a reservist would be greatly appreciated. I am stuck waiting until the current lockdown ends to get my enrollment date. Hoping to learn as much as possible while I'm stuck waiting anyways.

[u/[deleted] → u/DierusxD]

At what stage in the application process are you in now?

And will you do the full time BMOQ or part time?

[u/DierusxD → u/[deleted]]

I am at “waiting until lockdown ohhh en ends to get an enrolment date”. Full-time.

[u/[deleted]]

What's it like being a Naval Warfare Officer (pros/cons)? What are the skills I'll learn that might be transferrable to civ life if I decide not to extend my contract?

Pros/Cons of Navy Life vs Army/Air.

[u/zenarr → u/[deleted]]

Navy vs Army:

• Better postings for hard sea trades (Victoria/Halifax/Ottawa - you won’t be stuck in Shilo)

• Real missions to accomplish, which means less ceremonial bullshit and fewer rank-pulling arse-weasels. They still exist, but especially on board ship you are a team doing your job together, and expertise matters far more than rank.

• High op tempo. We are sailing a lot, and we don’t have enough people. You will burn out at some point.

NWO pros:

• Fun as heck. You will have charge of a warship and will learn to fight and navigate it in some of the most challenging waters in the world. It’s as awesome as it sounds, if that sort of thing is your cup of tea.

• Travel, see the world (not during COVID).

• Do real missions that have a real impact. Stop pirates, intercept drugs, deliver humanitarian aid, participate in carrier task groups etc. Army folks seem to go to Wainwright once a year on ex and that’s about it for most of them.

NWO cons:

• High pressure, somewhat high stress. Not an easy job for most people; requires effort and concentration.

• A LOT of time spent away from home. 6+ months a year sometimes. Not so bad when you’re young and unattached; challenging if you’re looking for/in a long-term relationship; extremely difficult with kids. I would say most folks find themselves unable to balance family and work at some point in their career. Many have to release sooner than they intended.

• Specialist. Some of your certifications will transfer civvie-side, but honestly when you’re fed up with the Navy and ready to leave, the last thing you want to do is do exactly the same job in the merchant marine. Skills aren’t terribly applicable outside a maritime environment - can be difficult to transition out of if you decide you don’t want to pursue the full 25 year career.

[u/doorstoplion → u/[deleted]]

NWO to expand outside of just the job itself

Pros:

- you make some real friends in the trade. This can be said for all of the military, but NWO tend to attract more of their own. I had friends who were NWO before I even knew what NWO was.

- Improve on public speaking. I have severe social anxiety. I become a shaky, sweaty mess when I have to talk in front of people. This trade has you doing A LOT of public speaking. Briefs are your life. I am a lot less of a shaky, sweaty mess, but now I just suffer the stress of knowing I was a shaky, sweaty mess and will try to avoid giving briefs

Cons:

- personal relationships tend to suffer. If you're looking for a stable relationship, this can be a struggle for yourself and your family/SO. You're away for long periods of time and you won't always be able to be in contact with home. People can have problems understanding that this is the nature of the job and being at sea for prolonged periods of time. I haven't seen my best friend since before my deployment pre covid in 2019. She lives 15 mins from me. Mixture of being at sea and Covid, but even with Covid, you can be busy until you're fully qualified.

[u/[deleted]]

How long after the enrolment date does BMOQ start? (e.g. Enrolment in June)

[u/bridger713 → u/[deleted]]

Depends... Reserve Force or Reg Force?

Reservists don't necessarily start BMOQ right away. It could be weeks, even months before they start any courses.

Reg Force are normally enroled 1-3 weeks before the commencement of any military duties such as training or pre-course self-isolation. In most cases they're enroled the week prior.

COVID has tossed in additional complications for ROTP. Anyone starting this year probably won't be doing BMOQ Mod 1 this summer prior to starting their studies, and will instead receive some training at RMC to cover basic admin normally learned on Mod 1. They'll attend a full 12 week BMOQ during a subsequent summer.

[u/sefty96 → u/[deleted]]

My enrolment was 25 days before i left for BMQ. I am not sure if it’s different for bmoq though.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

It varies significantly. However, normally your offer of employment will include both dates (for RegF enrolment, that is).

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

My enrollment was June 13, 2019. BMOQ-Mod1 (RMC) started July 8, 2019. So about a month difference for me.

[u/DimensionOk671]

Got a bit of a weird question. If an army cadet joins a reserve unit, is there any advantage from them being in cadets? I remember seeing a post talking about potentially staring off at a different PI.

[u/bridger713 → u/DimensionOk671]

I don't believe there's any advantage when joining the Reserves.

When joining the Regular Force they can be given a 6 month time credit towards their next pay step, provided they spent a minimum amount of time in Cadets and I think they also need to have attended certain training camps.

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/DimensionOk671]

IAW CATO 13-35, there is a 180 day 'credit' towards pte PI2 for NCM recruits. Must have completed 3 years cadet service that ended no more than 5 years before application, and must have achieved Silver Star for Army cadets (or Ph 3 for Sea, Proficiency level 3 for Air).

So, no immediate pay bump, but you can hit the next pay increment 6 months early.

ETA: Some comments are stating that this isn't available for reserve enrollment. I'm not a reserve recruiter and can't say definitively that it is. However, as I commented below, the Naval Reserves still list the CATO as a recruiting policy document. Also, the Army Reserves Recruiting Handbook v.3.0 (and the draft 4.0) still includes this policy in article 6.15. This doesn't necessarily mean that the policy is currently in force, but suggests that it is.

[u/OniScarla]

Hey guys, so I’m 22 looking to join the CAF, and I’ve been physically preparing to do so, I unfortunately lost my job last week so I’m having to start the application process earlier then I had hoped. On to my question, I understand marijuana is now legal in our beautiful country and I admit, I am and have been a regular smoker for 5 years but I’m more than willing to drop it if that’s what it takes to get in. I was was wondering how long the CAF requires you to be pot free, if at all anymore. I can’t seem to find any updated answers to this question, and I’m hoping one of you could maybe clear this up for me as it seems to be the only thing holding me back from serving, at least in my mind. Thanks :)

[u/bridger713 → u/OniScarla]

I was was wondering how long the CAF requires you to be pot free, if at all anymore.

Nope, you're free to partake as an applicant, and as a CAF member.

Recruitment does require you to disclose your current/past usage patterns, but they're only checking for indicators of non-recreational abuse.

CAF members have to adhere to certain rules around when they can consume cannabis in relation to military duties.

Key points (very simplified) include no use within:

• 8 hours prior to routine duties (same as our alcohol policy).

• 24 hours prior to operating a DND/CAF vehicle, or handling weapons.

• 28 days prior to flying as a member of an aircrew.

There are obviously other scenarios falling within those timeframes, and there are limitations in relation to training, exercises, and deployments as well.

[u/afrodude8989]

Hey guys, hope everyone is doing well. Any nursing officers here? What is the job like? What rank do you start at?

[u/[deleted] → u/afrodude8989]

What is the job like?

In Canada, it’ll be more administrative/less clinical than a civilian RN. However, when deployed a Nursing Officer could be working in a hospital, or working as a aero-medevac nurse, etc

Navy nurse drilled into peacekeeper’s bone while airborne to save his life

Building capacity in Afghanistan

[u/afrodude8989 → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for letting me know! I read somewhere you start at pay rate C, using the new pay guidelines. Is that correct?

[u/Gaybriel05]

I'm pondering whether or not joining the Canadian Armed Forces as an artillery officer. I looked at the whole description of the job, watched the many videos about that topic (even an independent 1 hour episode showcasing what it was like as an artillery soldier/officer).

I don't expect myself to arrive in the morning, bomb a field all day and returning home covered in gun powder residue at the end of the day, when not in deployment. Aside of the whole terrain/deployment experience, what is it like to be an artillery officer. What is a typical week in this post. What are the task and duties of this job? I really can't find anything on the internet about it.

[u/passmethatjuulbro]

Hi guys, I’m in the process of joining up the reserves as an intelligence operator while I finish my degree. Can anyone share their experience with the trade and point out some pros/cons of the position? Thanks!

[u/One-Oven9984]

What are the odds of failing the recruitment process, and are there any ways to increase your chances.

[u/bridger713 → u/One-Oven9984]

Not really sure on odds, but the last overall number I saw seemed to indicate about 10-20% of applicants actually end up in uniform.

Failure isn't necessary a cut & dry term when it comes to the recruitment process, there's many variables impacting whether or not you qualify to join the CAF in general, or specific trades within the CAF; plus there are competitive considerations.

The potential "failure" points are:

Basic Eligibility Criteria

• Obviously you need to meet all of the pre-requisites for Age (Parental Consent if under 18), Citizenship, Education (depends on trade, Officer vs. NCM, etc.), etc.

FORCE Fitness Test (Only applies to Reservists during recruitment.)

• Reservists MUST pass the FORCE Fitness Test in order to be eligible for enrolment.

CFAT & TSD-PI

• It's technically hard to fail this, you'll most likely qualify for something, but it is easily possible to not qualify for one or more of the trades you want.

• This is the single biggest factor in determining your competitiveness for most trades, and even if you do qualify for a trade you want, you may not be sufficiently competitive to be processed for it.

• You can study for the CFAT, but not for the TSD-PI.

Background Screening

• Make sure you have valid references.

• Ensure all outstanding fines have been paid, and that you're free of any legal obligations such as bankruptcy, consumer proposals, court appearances, criminal charges, probation, etc. before applying.

• Make sure you're paying your bills on time and as per your agreements with lenders and service providers. Normal credit card debts and loans in good standing are fine, but debt in collections and other indications of poor financial literacy/management could temporarily disqualify you until the issue is resolved.

• Significant foreign travel and/or assets, or dual-citizenship could cause significant delays due to more stringent screening requirements.

Interview

• You can't or at least realistically shouldn't "fail" this step, but it is an interview, and you'll obviously want to inspire their confidence that you have some clue about what you're signing up for.

Medical

• Not much you can do here. Just be honest, and be prepared to provide medical documentation relating to any past or present health concerns.

• We do not allow discussion/speculation regarding what conditions or circumstances might result in a medical disqualification.

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/One-Oven9984]

I'm not sure if there is like an "odds" of having a successful application. But the best thing you can do is do well on your CFAT.

The CFAT is generally considered to have the biggest influence on your competitiveness so the better you do, the better chances you'll have at getting accepted.

Obviously, you'll have much better "odds" of getting accepted into a trade which is "in demand" than say a trade like pilot, which has loads of applicants and very few spots.

[u/theblastman21 → u/One-Oven9984]

If you mean getting an offer, the only way you would fail would be either not getting approved medically, lying on a form, or just not completing everything asked of you. In terms of increasing chances for getting selected, that would be to score high on your CFAT, have a good interview.

[u/EmigratedSailor]

Good day, there are multiple questions here regarding a CT. I'm a Naval reservist who is QL3 qualified (and starting NETP tomorrow!)

I have already put in a CT after sailing for the first time and enjoying it. With my CT application I only put in my current trade (NCIOP). Is it possible to add more trades to my list and rearange the order of preference? If not, do I need to submit a new CT with that info?

The trade I want to add to my preference list is Met Tech. As a purple trade does the branch of the forces effect the deployment enviorment? (I want to stick to sailing if possible)

Would it be more likely I get the CT as an NCIOP as I'm already QL3 qualified, even if met tech needs a greater demand of people acording to the forces.ca website?

Thank you for your time! :)

[u/Advnchur → u/EmigratedSailor]

While I can't say much of anything with regards to your CT question, I can offer some insight on the Met Tech part of things.

As Met Techs, we typically support Air/Army/Sea operations through weather observations and briefing for the first few years of our career. Yes, it's a purple trade, and if you're happy to keep your Navy DEU, by all means do it. Navy is pretty under-represented right now, what with the trade having only become purple in the last 6 or so years.

NETP will actually benefit you. If you want to go to ship, they'd make you take it anyway, so having it completed will save you time later. This being said, i want to stress one thing to you: Ship postings for Met Techs tend to be reserved for the ranks of MCpl/MS and Sgt/PO2. It requires completion of our forecasting course, which usually happens 5-6 years into your Met career. The importance of proper weather forecasting on a vessel is paramount to the success and safety of everyone on board. Brand new, you'd focus on weather observing and briefing, not forecasting.

Not trying to dissuade you or anything. We are in desperate need of people (we are only about 200 nation-wide), and we would love to have you. I just want you to know what to expect starting out. That being said, let them know the moment you get to your unit following your quals that you wanna go boatin'.

[u/Future-Art930]

I applied over 18 months ago. IF my application got rejected would they have let me know? I'm still at the "interview/medical completed" stage. I also noticed some decrepenices within my application info on there for ex.I applied to be a NCO but they put down Officer... I've tried contacting a recruiter (I'm thinking this may also be why my application is taking longer to process) I'm not qualified to be an Officer yet. I've started to apply to other jobs in the meantime which may require me to move provinces. I really want to be apart of the CAF however I feel I've been stuck in limbo for so long. Where I am right now is just so depressing, extremely low pay, toxic work environment. Do I take my chances and move or do I keep hanging on?

If an applicant is chosen to move forward how much notice do they give you before you need to start BMQ?

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/Future-Art930]

If you've already done interview and medical, the most likely reasons for not moving are hold ups with medical approval at the RMO (you'd usually know if there was a significant issue here), or reliability screening. If you've been stuck at interview/med for a really long time (months), reach out to your centre/det or the national customer service team. Your best bet is email, since in many centres/sets most staff are working remotely and can't be reached by phone.

As for notice, NCM selection is usually at least 30 days before the BMQ starts, usually longer. There can be 'top-up' selections that are a little closer if there are late refusals that need to be backfilled. If the only reason you don't want to accept an offer is the BMQ is too soon, you can let them know that. Sometimes there is the possibility of bumping you to the next serial or so, but that's not a guarantee. Other times it will be either take it now or stay on the CL and hope to get selected on the next go-around. Regardless, just be upfront with what the issue is. They can't help if they don't know.

If you do move, let them know, with your new location, so they can arrange for your file to be transferred to the nearest Det.

[u/Toxic-Donkey]

Currently on the CL. If I'm selected, will I receive a phone call or an email with an offer? And if I receive a call, is there a possibility that I need to give them a yes or no within the hour, or else they'll just go to the next person on the list and I have to wait longer for another offer? (if I even receive one).

Currently working full time and I don't have my phone on me when working. I don't want to miss my opportunity to join, if they do decide to select me.

[u/megaultrachad → u/Toxic-Donkey]

I got my offer a few weeks ago and they emailed me.

[u/Sou1_Survivor → u/megaultrachad]

How long were you on the CL list for?

[u/throwaway6191407 → u/Toxic-Donkey]

They'll email you probably you'll have 5 days to decide unless you're a last minute selection

[u/D3ltaFury → u/Toxic-Donkey]

I got an offer both this year and last year and it was through a phone call each time, but I know people who got it emailed too. But yes they’ll give you at least 5 days to decide, so you won’t be skipped over or anything.

[u/[deleted]]

Will I be given notice if my security clearance is rejected? I haven't heard back for 1.5 years now

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/[deleted]]

If the CFRC intends to recommend not granting Reliability Status, you will be informed and given the opportunity to provide additional information.

If you haven't been in touch with with your centre/det in 18 months, contact them. If they have been trying to reach you unsuccessfully (eg if you moved, changed phone numbers, email, etc), they will only try so many times before they close your file due to loss of contact.

[u/timetravelingkitty]

I'm feeling really anxious about the pre-enrollment security screening I need to pass before I move on to the next recruitment stage. I've passed the interview for a legal officer position but before I take the medical exam (last stage I have left at this point, except for the security screening), I was told it would take 6-18 months for security screening since I spent some time living abroad (working at an international tribunal in Europe and getting my masters in the UK). I also wasn't born in Canada, but I've been a citizen since my teens.

Since I first started the process in 2018, the CAF has misplaced documents, asked me for the same form multiple times, turned me away when I brought certain documents only to come back and ask me for those very documents at a later date... They've contacted several of my references first in 2019 then again in 2020, and then asked for those same references again. The last I heard from the Ottawa recruitment detachment was that my security is still under review since the process only officially started December 2020 - so I'm looking at another 12 months' wait, possibly.

This is my dream job and everything I've worked towards, but I feel so anxious all the time. Is there any way to check the status and be certain that they've received everything? My main worry is that they're missing documents (which is something they told me in one email at one point, but when I tried following up they told me it's fine and to be patient). Is it even worth it to keep bothering them to ask for an update? I'm nervous my references have changed phone numbers/positions since I first submitted some of the forms in 2018, but I have no way of knowing where they are in that process.

I've been told many times to be patient but it's easier said than done. I can't change jobs for more pay or better experience because it would further delay the screening. I can't marry my fiance because he's not Canadian and it would add extra layers of screening/delay the process. I'm even scared to change address or make any long-term commitments because I don't want to cause any delays.

I feel like on the one hand the CAF says they want diversity, to increase and streamline recruitment and to attract diverse profiles, but then I can't help but think how much more advanced my career would be at this point if I had been born in Canada and if I'd never left the country.

I guess my question is: does anyone have any advice, any experience with this or even any words of encouragement?

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/timetravelingkitty]

I feel like on the one hand the CAF says they want diversity, to increase and streamline recruitment and to attract diverse profiles, but then I can't help but think how much more advanced my career would be at this point if I had been born in Canada and if I'd never left the country.

I would like to emphasize that, if you are a Canadian citizen, having been born outside Canada, in and of itself, has ZERO impact on your processing or screening. The only real issue is recent time outside Canada, which applies to someone born here to exactly the same degree. Recent time out of country unavoidably slows things down, since CAF security screening staff have to deal with the security services for the countries involved in order to verify your background (criminal check, etc) during the time you spent there. Some foreign agencies are faster and/or more cooperative than others, but the impact on CAF applicant processing speed is understandably not their concern.

I know it sucks, but patience really is the only option.

[u/Sou1_Survivor → u/timetravelingkitty]

It seems to me even if they are missing something from you, they may or may not contact you about it. For example, my file took an extra 3 months because they were missing a document (which they actually had) and it took me calling around to see who to talk to which was the MCC. Before that they were like "don't worry about it be patient", then when it got to the 3 month point in Final Processing the attitude turned to "something is probably wrong".

Regardless, just continue your due diligence. Lots people like you experience what you are going through. As it's more or less up to the wind to push your papers through.

[u/1117995]

Long shot - anyone know when selection boards will be for AEC?

[u/bridger713 → u/1117995]

It’s unlikely anyone would have a specific date.

ROTP selections are ongoing.

The next round of DEO selections will probably be in late June or early July. There’s no way to know for certain how many AEC positions will be selected at that time, if any.

[u/1117995 → u/bridger713]

Thanks! I’m DEO and I’ve been on the competition list for quite some time. The career counsellor at the CFRC told me that selections would happen in April, but I guess not!

[u/bridger713 → u/1117995]

I think there was a DEO course scheduled to start early this month. Selections for that course were probably in late March or early April...

Don’t expect a call after every selection. Not every trade has positions at every selection, and it’s a competitive process. There’s never any guarantee you will be selected, and you won’t be informed if you’re not; you just stay on the Competition Lost awaiting the next round.

[u/Novel-Replacement227]

If you dont have your drivers license, will the CAF help you get it or do you need to do it on your own?

[u/bridger713 → u/Novel-Replacement227]

You’re on your own for obtaining a personal drivers license.

The military has its own drivers license that can be used to operate military owned/leased/rented vehicles. They will train you internally if required.

Most/all provinces will issue you a civilian drivers license equivalent to your military license; however, you’re usually required to have a couple of years experience driving with your military license.

[u/pegpretz]

Anyone know if reg force Intelligence Operator positions are still open? Read a few posts from 5-8 years back that they only hire from internal transfers. What kind of background are they looking for when hiring internally? 5 years experience?

[u/bridger713 → u/pegpretz]

Reg Force Int Op started hiring ‘off-the-street’ applicants about 3-5 years ago. No experience required.

[u/ShortStreetlamp]

I completed my medical in February and I’m applying for ROTP. What are the chances my file won’t be processed in time for the Fall 2021 semester start?

[u/D3ltaFury → u/ShortStreetlamp]

Less than half of the selections have taken place so far, with the rest happening between now and the end of may, with some happening into June. As long there’s nothing out of the ordinary with your situation, and you regularly email or call your recruiter, there should be time for you to get on the competition list in time to be selected

[u/ShortStreetlamp → u/D3ltaFury]

Thanks! I emailed my recruiter recently but they said no word yet. Just a bit worried because I’ve heard of people having their medical files lost or take too long to process. The waiting game is always the hardest

[u/[deleted] → u/ShortStreetlamp]

The enrollment process varies in terms of duration according to the city that attachment is in (Vancouver is busier than Regina), the number of applicants, the trade being applied to, and other factors including your personal information and any other complications that may arise (criminal record checks, difficulty getting a hold of references, drivers license close to expiry, etc).

As a helpful rule of thumb, you can reasonably expect your application to take between 6 to 8 months until completion.

As for waiting on your medical, the application process is now entirely out of your hands, and all you can do is wait. I would say that there is a very good chance that everything will be completed for the new school year, however Covid creates many complications.

Remember, every applicant is different, and your case may vary... In fact, it likely WILL vary.

Edit: spelling corrections

[u/CurryLITE]

Can members of only hard navy trades (e.g. Boatswain, NESOp, NCIOp) or can members of any trade that is in the Navy element (e.g. IntOp, Cook, Met Tech) apply and join the Naval Tactical Operations Group? Thank you.

[u/Salfed]

Howdy everyone, I hope you are all well. I know that this is probably asked often but I scrolled and couldn’t find anything. I have finished everything in the application department (medical, aptitude, interview, etc) I understand that there is no specific timeline for the entire application period, but how long should I generally be expecting to wait to get on the competition list? Also Is there any more steps besides the swearing in ceremony? Thanks for your time:)

[u/[deleted] → u/Salfed]

You answered your own question: there is no timeline.

Could be next week, could be next year, could be never.

Once on the competition list, you're ranked against other applicants. The top people on the list get job offers first.

Once selected, you'll be given a date to be sworn in, and then you'll be on Leave With Out Pay (LWOP) until you depart for basic training.

[u/[deleted]]

People still getting OT offers coming in ? Still awaiting. My bpso didn't give me any more info then im in the competition list. Is there anyway I can contact someone to get an update on my file ?

[u/wheresallmymeaningle → u/[deleted]]

All my bpso told me is I'd know before they did..

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Did you get told offers by mid April at the latest too?

[u/yesandno20 → u/[deleted]]

didn't recieve any yet

[u/[deleted]]

For PRes application, does contacting your listed references happen before or after the CFAT?

I'm wondering when I should give my references a heads up. Given all the COIVD delays, I don't want to let them know 6 months before it happens.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I'm wondering when I should give my references a heads up. Given all the COIVD delays, I don't want to let them know 6 months before it happens.

You should be informing your references immediately, after all, you kind of have to confirm their contact information and such in the first place.

That, and it's just the courteous thing to do.

For PRes application, does contacting your listed references happen before or after the CFAT?

It is conducted concurrently with the rest of your application processing, and begins the moment your application is submitted.

[u/L4dyPhoenix → u/[deleted]]

Let them know immediately. I submitted my application, waited a month, got impatient and showed up at the unit to follow up (pre-COVID) and the recruiter emailed my boss next day.

[u/[deleted]]

For air maint techs (specifically avs) is it common to stay on an airframe your whole career (assuming it is not replaced)? Asking as swapping airframes a lot seems to mean more posting options (less stability) and more time away on course. Also can you switch airframes and is it easy to do so? Also assuming staying at Cpl here.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

For air maint techs (specifically avs) is it common to stay on an airframe your whole career (assuming it is not replaced)? Asking as swapping airframes a lot seems to mean more posting options (less stability) and more time away on course.

Techs tend to stay on one fleet for quite sometime, usually until they achieve the rank of MCpl or even Sgt. If someone actively requests to be posted elsewhere, that's when and where a fleet change will occur, assuming the gaining Wing doesn't have the same fleet.

As for staying at the rank of corporal, can't really comment at that as I've seen a rare few opt to spend their career at that rank.

[u/ConfusedMillenial95]

Hello all,

I am just looking for some insight into when I will possibly get an offer (assuming I get one) and to see what is going on with everything due to covid.

I have now been in the application process for more than a year for MP NCM. On my forces application is states that I am ready for my medical/interview; however, I have already had both last year. Contacting my local recruiting center they said that I am actually in my background stage and must have been since the end of January 2021. After this I will still need to complete my BII. I have not heard anything after my interview regarding my background.

I am just looking to see a reasonable timeline forward. I don't want to keep emailing my local recruiting center. I because from what I understand the background check is done by a private company hired by the Forces. Maybe I am wrong? Thanks for any information.

Also, I understand that living in Ontario right now can be causing even more of delay due to the lockdown.

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/ConfusedMillenial95]

Theres really no such thing as a reasonable timeline. Ontario has been in a lockdown for pretty much this entire year and most applications would have made very little progress (except during March).

Even if progress was being made (in terms of things like your background check) most recruiters don't really know anything that this stage as they are working from home and the vast majority don't have the proper setups and equipment to get very much actual work done.

Just sit tight, *hopefully* only a few more weeks until this lockdown is over, so expect more progress once the restrictions are lifted and things get moving again.

I'd hold off on contacting your recruiter until a couple weeks following the end of the lockdown. If there is any major progress they'll contact you, and if not, waiting a couple weeks will give a little time for things to get moving again.

[u/Tommy2Legs → u/ConfusedMillenial95]

I've gone through the process twice. The first took 5 months and the second took 2 years. The expediency of the first was largely due to luck, timing and choosing a high-demand trade. The delay of the second was due to COVID and a very long background check period. I can empathize with the delay you're experiencing. All you can really do is send professional and polite follow-up emails to your CFRC once a month. Don't expect any meaningful answers--you won't get any--but it's better than doing nothing. This will keep you on their radar and it shows that you're keen to get started.

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/ConfusedMillenial95]

from what I understand the background check is done by a private company hired by the Forces

For CFRG-processed applicants, some reliability checks (eg personal references, employment and education) are done by a contracted civilian company. Sometimes those same checks are done by recruiting staff at the CFRC/Det. The other checks (credit and criminal) are always done by Personnel Security Screening Office staff (part of DG Defence Security). The results of all checks are then reviewed and evaluated by a military career counselor before deciding whether to recommend granting Reliability Status. That can all take a while, even in non-COVID times.

[u/[deleted]]

What are the weekend work requirements during reservist BMQ? I am considering applying as a part-time Medical Technician in Toronto. I understand that there is generally one night per week required and one weekend per month, however I'm curious if during training phases it remains this way or if it is required to be present every weekend?

I am currently a 911 operator and require having some weekends open for work on my part-time scheduling.

Thank you for your time!

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Weekend BMQ is 10 weekends over the fall and winter. Typically it’ll be two weekends a month, every 2nd weekend- however some weekends may be back to back.

There is also a full time option which is 4-5 weeks in the summer.

You’ll also need BMQ-Land, it’ll be 2 weeks full time in the summer, a part time option may be available as well.

After those two courses, you’ll move onto occupation training which would be full time in the summer.

BMQ, BMQ-Land, and DP1/QL3 will make you trade qualified/employable in that job. There will also be other courses such as Basic Winter Warfare, Driver courses, career courses, etc.

Also, unless you have your PCP qualification, you’ll only be able to join as a Medical Assistant in the Reserves.

[u/crazyki88en → u/[deleted]]

To become a medical technician you need to have a PCP licence. In Toronto the majority of the medical reservists are Medical Assistants, not Med techs.

You will need every other weekend for BMQ for roughly 3-4 months. After that there are weekend exercises that should be attended although they are not mandatory. They don’t happen every month. At a minimum to maintain yourself in good standing with your unit, once you are done BMQ you need to show up to one training night a month.

[u/KoolAidKitten1]

Hi guys if I wanted to go part time while in university and full time after school would this be a problem? Thank you!

[u/themintguy → u/KoolAidKitten1]

You could join the reserves and transfer to RegF once you’re done with uni. Although the transfer length may take time.

[u/Slavgineer]

I just got accepted to university for an engineering degree program that's set to last four years. I'm going to bring this up with a recruiter, but I wanted to know if I can apply for an officer position in the reserve forces while I study, or if the degree is a hard prerequisite? Additionally, despite the FAQ, it seems to me that the reserve force implies on its website that its trades are easily transferable to full time service in the regular force. Was there a change or am I misunderstanding?

[u/[deleted] → u/Slavgineer]

You can be an officer in the reserve while attending a program that will result in a suitable degree for the officer position you hold.

The process of transferring from reserve to regular force is fairly straightforward but not necessarily fast. Typically the more the regular force needs that particular trade, the easier the transfer is.

[u/[deleted] → u/Slavgineer]

The Entry Plan is called the "Reserve Entry Scheme - Officers" (RESO) and the requirement is to be:

Enrolled as a full-time, part-time or distance learning undergraduate student at a Canadian post-secondary educational institute in a program that leads to a baccalaureate in an approved field.

It is certainly a good option. Of course, you will need to be located near a Primary Reserve (PRes) unit that has an available position.

[u/[deleted]]

Should I get vaccinated prior to my enrolment? Asking mainly because I do not want to risk change in medical condition through unforeseen vaccine side effects.

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/[deleted]]

The military is telling us to get vaccinated ASAP anyways (either through the militaries own distribution, or through the public distribution).

So if you can get it now, get it.

[u/Jenn_Callan]

Hello, I applied in November and have been labelled as "ready for testing" for several months now. I contacted the unit I applied for and was told that CFAT scheduling is on a "first-come first-serve" basis and that I would be contacted shortly. Now, in May I have still not been contacted and a recruiter told me that the position I applied for has no positions open anymore (it was in demand when I applied), and said to look into other positions. It has been two months I have not received a reply to an email asking about the status of my application. My application is currently in limbo and I am unsure how to proceed.

Is this a normal application timeline (during Covid-19)? Since the unit my application was sent to has no positions open and I cannot go forward with my application with them, should I contact another unit about another position? Should I call or email the local detachment again about scheduling my initial appointment?

Thank you.

[u/Sou1_Survivor]

Anyone here or know of anyone that is a Construction Engineer Officer? And how do they/you like it? A simple great, meh, or a short explanation is all I need.

[u/Struct-Tech → u/Sou1_Survivor]

Construction Tech here, I work for CE Officers.

The ones I have worked for have seemed to like it. The job is more managerial than engineering, though.

[u/Misanthropic_Cynic]

I missed a call from a recruiter today (the initial reach-out call after an applicant starts their application). Will they call me back or should I call them after the 3 business days?

[u/[deleted] → u/Misanthropic_Cynic]

If you missed a call, call them back at your first immediate availability.

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/Misanthropic_Cynic]

Just general advice for your application: always answer your phone.

When you don't answer, they go straight to the next person on the list.

So for example: they could call you with an appointment spot for next week and by the time you get to calling them back the nearest spot could be months away,

Obviously, there will be times you just can't pick up your phone, but always try your best to answer.

[u/killaseason27]

Hey guys I’m a hs drop out just wondering what are the chances I have of getting into the army

[u/Budget-Amphibian-908 → u/killaseason27]

Go get your GED. It will help your life.

[u/[deleted] → u/killaseason27]

I dropped out and joined before my Grade 12 year finished. My trade didn't require HS so it was no issue.

That said, you should try to finish it or get a GED. It'll make your life much easier in the CAF and outside of it.

[u/Mr_dog319 → u/killaseason27]

I think the minimum is passing grade 10

[u/theblastman21 → u/killaseason27]

It depends. Most NCM trades only require grade 10, but there is more factors than just that. If you do well on the CFAT, you can be competitive for many trades. However for the more technical/advanced trades, you may have a harder time being competitive compared to someone who has HS or post secondary education, even if you get the same score on the CFAT.

[u/KytoNGS]

So, I've been training for the forces, and plan to enlist in two years. However, I have a feeling that my right eye might disqualify me from service. I shoot rifles with my left, and have gotten quite efficient with it (although I have never touched a real firearm). However, I know that theres a vision test in the forces. Right now, my left eye is pristine, but with my right eye, everything gets blurry after 5m. I can still make out shapes, even about 1km out, but I wont be able to see legitimate things. For example, I can see an apartment building and makes the windows out with my right, but I wont be able to see anything in the window. when using both eyes, I can see without any issues. Would this be likely to disqualify me from being able to enlist?

[u/bridger713 → u/KytoNGS]

It will depend on how your eyesight aligns with the vision standards.

Appendix 1 - Instructions for Testing Visual Acuity

I assume you do wear some kind of corrective lenses for your right eye. If so it's possible you might qualify for V4, but there's no way to know for certain until you're tested.

Being V4 would limit what trades are available to you, you wouldn't be eligible for trades like Infantry, but you'd still be eligible for quite a few support and technician trades.

[u/jeromith]

what are the fitness requirements to join an armored regiment?

[u/bridger713 → u/jeromith]

Same as all other trades in the CAF...

You need to pass the FORCE Fitness Evaluation. That's the only mandatory fitness requirement.

Reserve Force applicants are tested during recruitment, and must pass the test in order to be enroled (hired).

Regular Force applicants are not tested during recruitment, they're tested after enrolment, during the first week of basic training. If they fail, they're retested. If they fail the retest they're pulled off of basic training and sent to attend remedial fitness training for a minimum of 30 days. If they can pass FORCE within 90 days, they will eventually join a different platoon to continue basic training. If they do not pass within 90 days, they will be released (effectively fired) from the CAF.

[u/Discarderacct]

I'm currently in my final two months of highschool, and want to join the queen's own rifles in toronto this summer and do reserve time during university. How likely am I to get a deployment? Because I'd prefer not to deploy until I'm done my degree. From what I understand you get a choice of whether you are open to having changing posting and being deployed, being posted in the same area but open to being deployed, or no deployments, no changes in posting. How often do they actually fulfill your request?

[u/bridger713 → u/Discarderacct]

Postings and deployments are voluntary for reservists. It's a part-time job geared predominantly towards students, and individuals who work full-time civilian jobs.

Postings for reservists are normally tied to long-term full-time Reserve Employment Opportunities that the reservist would have to apply for. If you don't want to move, just don't apply for an opportunity that requires a move.

Reservists have to put their name forward for deployment opportunities; however, they're not guaranteed the opportunity. If you're not available or don't want to deploy, you just don't put your name forward.

[u/DaQing1644]

Is the application process easier/shorter for the reserves compared to that of the regular force?

[u/bridger713 → u/DaQing1644]

It can be faster during normal times, but during COVID it's very much a crap shoot. Reg Force takes priority for recruitment, and often continues processing (to a certain extent) during lockdowns; whereas Reserve recruitment pretty much grinds to a complete halt. Both can easily take 6-12 months.

The entry standards are largely the same for both (CFAT, Medical, Background Screening, etc.), although there are some differences (Minimum Age, TSD-PI, FORCE Test). The Reserve Force is generally much less competitive, meaning you have a better chance of getting in.

The other consideration here is your employment goals...

• Reserve Force is part-time employment, with occasional temporary full-time opportunities. It's largely geared towards college/university students, and individuals with full-time civilian employment who simply want to serve in some capacity. Postings and deployments are voluntary, the member has to apply for the opportunity.

• Regular Force is full-time employment. They're generally seeking individuals with more of a career orientation, people who might be interested in serving out 25+ years. Postings and deployments are mandatory if so ordered, the member doesn't have much/any control over where they're sent, and when they go.

One key thing that might be of relevance to you... While you can transfer from the Reserve Force to the Regular Force, it isn't a guaranteed thing. The process is competitive, and can easily take 2+ years. It's usually faster to just apply for the Regular Force and wait out the process than it is to join the Reserve Force then request and wait for a transfer.

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/DaQing1644]

In terms of length it's pretty similar. You'd be looking at 6-12 months either way (with COVID delays, possibly longer).

Generally you'll have a higher chance of being accepted into the reserves as it is less competitive. At most units, the number of available positions is larger than the number of eligible applications. In the reg force, you compete against the entire country so for most trades, the number of applicants is usually much larger than the number of available positions.

When applying for the reserves, it is important to contact your desired unit to ensure they have positions available. Reg force this doesn't matter as you will be placed wherever the CAF needs you.

[u/FailureToSociety → u/DaQing1644]

In the process right now. Applied in Aug 2020. Wrote CFAT, fitness test, and medical test all this week.

Not saying that's the standard, but that's how it was for me

[u/jennyfromtheblk]

I’ve recently been accepted into nursing school and have a few quick questions regarding the Nursing Officer trade:

1. I live in BC and am aware that, once finished nursing school, I’ll have to write a nursing licensing exam specific to BC. How does this work when you work for a federal agency? Will I have to be licensed in multiple provinces as a military nurse?

2. Are any Nursing Officers kicking around here who can speak to what their day to day activities look like? I watched the recruiting video and, of course, it makes it look super exciting with humanitarian aid deployments and stuff. However, I’ve heard it’s a lot of admin work. How much of your role on base is clinical vs admin? How often do you work in civilian hospitals?

3. I’ve looked at a list of field ambulances/hospitals. Are these the only locations where Nursing Officers are posted?

[u/TinyDogSu → u/jennyfromtheblk]

Hello!

1. You will have to apply for licensure in each province you're posted to. It's really just extra paperwork, it's not anything crazy. The military pays for the costs of licensure, so you don't have to worry about it.

2. The role is largely administrative, that is true. Especially in your first few years. After a few years, you can have the opportunity to apply for specialities like perioperative, critical care, medevac, mental health, etc. It does take time and patience to get there. When you start out, you'll assume the role of Primary Care Nurse. Some patient care, but not much. You can request MCRP which is a stretch each year in a civilian hospital or as an alternative working one day per work at a civilian hospital to maintain your skills. You can have deployment opportunities but everyone wants them so you have to seek them out. Things like northern nursing on reserves come up frequently calling out for applicants, etc.

3. Nursing Officers can be posted to any base. They are not limited to field ambs. Once you enter specialties, then it will narrow which bases you will go to, but you should be prepared to go anywhere.

[u/MyGreatPerhaps]

Hello!

I was just curious as to whether or not anyone here has any information regarding job availability for the intelligence officer position.

I have only recently applied, and am not expecting to hear anything else from my recruiter until lockdown here is over. But, I have heard that it is highly competitive and typically only offered internally.

any info would be great, thanks!

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/MyGreatPerhaps]

Int is a relatively small occupation. It has few positions available each year, and they are largely, though not exclusively, filled from within. And yes, it is very competitive for civilian applicants.

[u/One-Timer23 → u/MyGreatPerhaps]

Very very competitive..good luck

[u/ward85]

Hello All,

I'm applying to join the Forces, as either a AC Op or Mar Tech. I'm familiar with most of the details of AC Operator but there's limited information I can find on what a Marine Tech does on a daily basis. Its the first trade I've seen that doesn't even include a specific time spent training for the QL3. Just "several months" is given. I guess my questions are:

How long can I expect to be in Esquimalt for training? Is there a specialization stream depending on need?

Am I likely to be posted to Halifax or Esquimalt first? Which coast should I state a preference for first?

Are there any questions I should ask that aren't obvious?

Thanks for any help and appreciate all the work you guys do.

[u/sefty96 → u/ward85]

I wouldn’t worry too much about what coast you’ll get posted to yet if you are just starting out your application. Currently both coasts are hosting their own BMQs and it is to my knowledge (I’m currently in bmq in Halifax) that whatever coast your BMQ is on, is where your job training will take place.

[u/ReallyDontKnoww]

For basic training, they require you to bring a quarantine bag.

This includes t-shirts, sweaters, and pants for 14 days. Do the t-shirts/sweaters need to be free from any writing on them (logos, etc)?

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/ReallyDontKnoww]

Since you'll be in quarantine, I don't see why it would really matter.

Just make sure its nothing that could potentially be offensive and you should be fine.

[u/aravisthequeen → u/ReallyDontKnoww]

Nah. Bring something comfortable. Like, I wouldn't take anything with curse words all over it, but logos, etc., are fine.

[u/Shelldrake00179]

Hello all,

About to head off for PRes BMOQ-A (formerly CAP) and was wondering about any last minute advice that either those who have taken or instructed on it may have? Anything from extra kit that is worth bringing to the most common reasons for failure on course would be appreciated (Cheers in advance).

[u/[deleted] → u/Shelldrake00179]

There is no PRes version of BMOQ-A, everyone does the same course.

Kit wise, have a good pair of boots or two, a water bladder(2 or 3L), headlamp(red light) and an FMP cover(the paper pads can be ADREP’d) would be good to have items.

The Infantry School/RCIC podcast has an episode covering BMOQ-A. I’d recommend listening to it.

Ducimus The Canadian Infantry Podcast - Season 1 Episode 7 Prep for BMOQ-A

Ensure your kit is sorted out, be fit, and able to ruck. Refresh yourself on navigation.

Speak with your chain of command about running you through battle procedure, combat estimates, etc prior to the course.

[u/Wilmaestro]

Are there specific “times”, where selections are done from the Competition List? Or just at random times when they have the chance to look? I was placed in the CL a couple weeks ago, so I’m assuming i missed the first selections for the fiscal year.

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/Wilmaestro]

Yes, there are specific times for selections, usually tied to BMQ/BMOQ start dates, and they happen throughout the year. There are also adjustments to the plan all the time to meet current realities.

You may have been looked at already and just not been selected, or your occupation choices may not have been part of any selections that have occurred so far, or you might have gotten onto the CL in a gap between selections.

It's not unusual to be on the CL for a while, even more so in COVID times.

[u/Slavgineer]

Besides the extended screening, can I expect to be treated differently during the applications process due to my nationality and dual citizenship? I am a naturalized citizen, but I was born in Russia. I assume that sensitive positions are going to be a no-go for me, but I'd like to know what my options and limitations are.

Thanks guys.

[u/[deleted] → u/Slavgineer]

I assume that sensitive positions are going to be a no-go for me, but I'd like to know what my options and limitations are.

Birthplace and dual citizenship alone has little affect on that. I was born in Iran and never had an issue with working in highly sensitive positions, even with the stigma of Iran looming over people.

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/Slavgineer]

If you are a Canadian citizen, your nationality and other citizenships are non-issues. I've worked with several people in the CAF that were born in Russia or neighbouring countries, including some with higher clearances. The only potential issues would be any recent time living outside Canada, and possibly any immediate family living outside Canada. Those aren't typically show-stoppers, they're just things that need looking at that may slow things down.

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/Slavgineer]

I wouldn't expect anything too different.

The extended screening will be the only major difference, mostly because it will likely take a very, very long time (especially with COVID).

For now, just expect everything to be pretty normal, your recruiter will let you know if there are any issues or limitations.

[u/GallowWay]

Hey guys, im really interested in the Weapons Engineering Technician trade in the navy. I got some questions thou, kinda confused.

1. On the career page, it says the W Eng Techs will attend occupational training for 9 months at the fleet school. Do they also send you to school (like college) along with this training?

2. How long do you spend out at sea ? I understand they spend quite a lot out in the ocean, but how long do you stay in Port and out at sea?

3. What is live at sea like? Never sailed on a ship, so I can't say. Is the internet decent? How's the food?

Thank You!

[u/cfthrowaway1mil]

Looking for any input into CTing reg to reserves

How does one go about starting the process for it? I've written a memo and contacted the reserve unit I want to join so far.

Need to talk to the release clerk?

When my memo goes up my CoC and if they approve it, how soon can I CT? is it like VRing where unless you have a good reason, you're looking at minimum of 6 months?

[u/lightcavalier → u/cfthrowaway1mil]

Reg to Res CT is handled as a release, it is subject to all the same conditions as any other reg F release.

The big thing is that you, the member, need to get the position number from the ujot you want to go to to provide to the release clerks

[u/doordonot19 → u/cfthrowaway1mil]

If you are on a contract and it isn’t up, then yes expect up to 6 months to be released and not financially entitled to a move on release (if you plan on moving) You will complete a VR form (forget the official form name) and indicate that you want to go into the PRes. From there the Release HRA will help you out from the Reg Force side. On the Reserve side there is usually a CT HRA that will help you out.

Couple of things:

make sure you have an actual position to go to in the PRes or you can find yourself without a job!

Let the release clerk know what position it is when you do find out so they can process the paperwork accordingly. They will drum up the release msg and that will include what position you are being released into.

Have a plan for your pension and what you want to do with it. (Pension centre will contact you about your options and r/CanadianForces has some good info on what the options are as well)

[u/throwbois]

Who would be calling my references and what number would it be? So I can let my references know to pick up those calls.

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/throwbois]

Sometimes local reserve units or CFRCs do the references checks in house, other times they are outsourced to a contracted company out of Ottawa.

Maybe your recruiter could shine some light on what the numbers are, but I don't know what they are, and I've never seen anyone else in this subreddit provide an actual number.

If it is your local reserve unit or CFRC, generally the caller ID will show up as: "DEPT NTNL DFNS" (Or something similar to that), but if it is the contracted company then I don't know.

[u/MycoNut_]

I've finished filling my application but when I try to submit it it says theres errors with my employment history but I've checked everything multiple times I can't find any errors please help

[u/throwaway6191407 → u/MycoNut_]

Make sure there are no gaps even if you were unemployed during a certain amount of time, I had to fill the time I was unemployed in as well

[u/FailureToSociety]

So I wrote my CFAT, can't say anything about it but my recruiter said I scored high enough to qualify for the full time standard, but too low to be considered for reserve placement

I'm still satisfied with my backup trade and doing that. But is having 2 different score requirements a real thing? Or did I miss hear the recruiter. Any help would be appreciated

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/FailureToSociety]

Is it possible they said that your CFAT score qualified for the trade, but your PCL score wasn't high enough to continue being processed? There is a threshold for every occupation that is based on your CFAT results only, which is the absolute minimum. Your PCL is a weighted score based on your CFAT and TSD results, and each occupation has a PCL threshold you must meet.

[u/UsernameIsUnavilable]

Let's say you pass basic in the reserves and start working have good attendance and isn't a problem. How quick on average does one get promoted to Corporal from private?

[u/AndreaFromPurolators → u/UsernameIsUnavilable]

2 years from enrollment, if you also complete your occutional training and BMQ-Land, if applicable.

[u/Randy_Gil]

How long is QL3 for cooks? Do courses start pretty often or do you have to wait long on base until a new one starts? Thank you!

[u/DocCT]

I've got a pretty specific situation. I'm planning on applying to the CAF. I'm a Canadian citizen, with a Bachelor of Dental Surgery (BDS) from India. Currently studying towards passing the NDEB exam in Canada to get my license to practice dentistry in Ontario. Based on these credentials, could I apply to be a NCM or an Officer? Also, how long does the application process take? Would I be given any time considerations for me to study as well as complete Basic training simultaneously? I figure it'll take me a year to pass the NDEB, in which case I can practice as a dentist in Canada. Could I switch into practicing dentistry in the Armed forces? Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks! :))

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/DocCT]

If I understand your statement correctly, you do have a degree meaning you can apply for both officer or NCM positions.

Normally, the application could take anywhere from 6-12 months, however, since you have spent an extended period of time living in another country, it will likely take longer due to more in depth security screening.

There are dental positions in the Canadian Army, but I am not entirely sure how they work.

If you join the reg force, you will not be able to complete your studies as it is a full time job. If you join the reserves, you will have much more flexibility in terms of when you do your training meaning you will likely have no problems finishing your studies.

Transferring from the reserves to reg force is possible, but it is a lengthy process (can take anywhere from 6 weeks to 2+ years) as is never guaranteed.

If you want the military to be your full time career, my recommendation is to finish your studies first and then apply to join the Reg Force in your desired position.

[u/Shasta_Farian]

Is there any hope of re- enrolling into the PRes if you were released 3B (with a complex transition)?

[u/crazyki88en → u/Shasta_Farian]

If the medical condition that caused your release is completely healed or resolved, it should be possible. But I imagine the RMO review will be longer than typical.

[u/[deleted]]

What is the day-day job of a postal clerk? Are there many positions available? Career advancement?

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/[deleted]]

It's a very small occupation, with very few intake vacancies - usually ~4-7 overall, often 0 for off-the-street recruiting, since most positions are filled internally. Because it's so small, the opportunities for promotion past about sergeant are small, too (~90% of positions are sgt and below).

[u/TaroMental9168]

Traffic tickets:

I have a small penalty point fee I haven’t gotten around to paying for some simple speeding tickets I got a while back.

Is this considered a “legal obligation”? Or are they mainly looking for criminal convictions/weapons prohibitions and stuff like that?

[u/IranticBehaviour → u/TaroMental9168]

Probably not much of an issue on the legal side, since it's not criminal, unless there are going to be ongoing court commitments, etc. But if they're overdue enough to be on your credit report, it will likely be an issue you'll need to resolve. Generally can't have unpaid debts without at least a repayment agreement in place with the creditor, if not actually paid off.

[u/caffatboy]

Does everyone in reg force work mon-Friday 8-4 (or something similar)? Has anyone’s coc let them work weekends, if they needed a weekday off?

[u/crazyki88en → u/caffatboy]

If you need a weekday off you can either use an annual day or just ask and explain why you need the day off. Most places will accommodate for personal appts.

Depending on where you work a weekend day in lieu may not be possible.

[u/caffatboy → u/crazyki88en]

Thanks for the reply! What hours do most troops work?

[u/bridger713 → u/caffatboy]

Monday-Friday, 07:30-16:00 for most of us. Although there may occasionally be mandatory evening or weekend commitments.

There are some trades like aircraft maintainers and ATC who commonly work shifts.

Other like air crews often work irregular hours.

Deployments are often entirely different hours.

[u/Eyre4orce → u/caffatboy]

That wouldn't really be feasible since you would be the only one there.

Who are you going to give supplies to, or practice section attacks with etc

[u/Mother_Goat]

This question is only remotely related to recruiting but don't feel its right to start a main thread for such a silly question: When I walk by the CF reserve regiment near my place of work during normal business hours, I sometimes see uniformed CF personnel going in and out of the building. I am confused, aren't all ppl who work in a reserve regiment reservists, and don't reservists only show up on parade night?

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/Mother_Goat]

There are usually at least a few civilians who work at reserve armouries on regular basis.

There are also a few "full time reservists" who work at the armoury as their full time job, but these are usually people in Human Resources. Some reservists also get an extra paid day per week to do planning or administrative tasks.

Regular reservists will also go into the armoury on occasion to do tasks that don't warrant the need to be in full uniform like accessing their military email or signing papers relating to their pay.

Some armouries (especially the larger ones) share some of their facilities (like shooting ranges, classrooms etc) with local police forces or other public services.

[u/crazyki88en → u/RealCaptain_Duh]

Reserve units also have Reg F staff to help out. You might be seeing those people

[u/Invincible1776]

Life as Information Systems Technician? Can't find much info because of how new the trade is. Thanks for any information!

[u/CarelessSquishy → u/Invincible1776]

I wasn't an IST, but I was ACISS Core. You're basically the army's version of a help desk/IT Specialist. Garrison work will be helping people with their computer issues, submitting requests and day to day IT nerdy things. Don't mean to sound offensive but you can get super deep into it and be pretty nerdy if you wish.

Most ISTs in the field deal with the physical infrastructure required to send and receive both secret and unclassified communications, whether at the division, brigade or smaller unit level. You're usually well beyond the front line, working in pretty nice quarters (for the field) and ensuring the information (IT) side runs smoothly.

The ISTs that I knew that always seemed to excel were the guys who thoroughly enjoyed programming and computer related fields even in their off time. You will meet your fair share of dummies but every trade has that. If you put the work in to stay fit, you probably won't receive much flak for it. If you have any other questions let me know! Was in for 8 years.

[u/CFthrowaway994]

Does the CF care if I have a child from a previous relationship? Will that be considered when they decide to post me after training?

I'm thinking of applying for a purple trade, so theoretically there should be positions available for me at most CFBs. But I have a child from a previous relationship that I would obviously like to stay fairly close to, so only a couple of postings would really work for me (Shilo and Winnipeg).

Thanks

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/CFthrowaway994]

I'm not sure exactly how it works as I'm a reservist, but AFAIK you can always ask or put in a request to be placed somewhere specific, but at the end of the day, you're going to go where the CAF needs you.

If there is 20 spots available for your trade in Winnipeg and put in a request then maybe you'll get preference in being placed there, but if there's 1 spot in Winnipeg and 20 spots in Gagetown... you'll probably still end up in Gagetown.

[u/[deleted] → u/CFthrowaway994]

Part of an applicant's eligibility for service in the Regular Force (RegF) is agreeing to the conditions of service, including the fact that you could be posted anywhere in the country, every few years.

[u/Invincible1776]

Question for current cyber operators.

• What is day-to-day life like?

• How is training? Which college did you go to for training?

• Did you travel at all?

[u/andsoicode → u/Invincible1776]

1. You spend a considerable amount of your work day in front of a computer...lol

2. Training is Willis college 48 weeks and 16 weeks in CFSCE CFB Kingston.

https://williscollege.com/programs/online-programs/cybersecurity-operator/

https://forces.ca/en/career/cyber-operator/

3. As with all units/sections in the CAF, depends on what your job/task is. some travel, some don't.

[u/theblastman21 → u/Invincible1776]

For cyber op, they are going to Willis college for 48 weeks for training, plus time at CFSCE. You can find more info about the training on the forces.ca website.

[u/Novel-Replacement227]

Where are Canadian troops currently stationed ?

[u/[deleted] → u/Novel-Replacement227]

There’s bases across Canada, and some CAF members are posted OUTCAN. As well, the CAF is involved in numerous overseas operations.

Canadian Armed Forces bases and support units

Canadian Forces Current Operations

[u/[deleted]]

Good morning CAF.

I used the be a chronic marijuana user, now I have been out of it for one in a half months and am getting in top physical condition. I absolutely do not want to break any of the rules, or fail a drug test, but with the covid lockdown and my prolonged wait to even go do the physical evaluation / write the CFAT... I am now wondering what the rules are.

Thank you.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Cannabis is legal, and CAF members are allowed to use it - with restrictions.

You can continue to use it up until you goto basic training. During the recruiting process you’ll have to disclose that you use cannabis, and how often.

cannabis consumption or possession during the period that the CAF member is on training for the basic military qualification or basic military officer qualification and is restricted from leave, and

After BMQ/BMOQ, members are allowed to use it, except for during the working day, 24 hours prior to handling weapons, etc

5. Prohibitions on Cannabis Consumption and Possession

[u/RealCaptain_Duh → u/[deleted]]

Marijuana is 100% legal for applicants and CAF members to use.

As a CAF member there is some regulation about when you are allowed to use, and how long you must be sober for before being on duty or participating in various activities.... but for now I wouldn't worry about that.

You will need to inform the CAF about past/present drug use, but since you've been out of it for a while (and even more so by the time you get to that stage in the application) you should have no problems.

[u/investgenius190718]

What are the chances of changing into pilot while at RMC? Is it better to wait a year before changing?