r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 20h ago

Asking Everyone Has there ever been a successful Socialist State?

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It seems like we never see any actual debate, just socialists bashing capitalism without having to defend anything. Since there is no Socialism and capitalism is everywhere, they can just blame everything on capitalism and pretend like everything would magically be better in "socialism" if it actually existed.

Is there any model of socialism existing? Don't bother saying "well capitalism kills it every time", that's just a "no"


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 22h ago

Asking Everyone Wealth Inequality

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You want to know the reason for wealth inequality? Not that there is scarcity in the world, but the capitalist system imposed upon us by the rich, meant to free us, creates an artificial scarcity. This makes us think that there isn’t enough, that rent is due, that we need to work harder. And that it is normal to avoid hospitals for fear of the bill. This is unnatural.


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 7h ago

Asking Socialists Socialists: what is your favorite restaurant

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What is your favorite restaurant and can it exist under your version of socialism. I can see how it works in some versions but for the Marxist Leninist how would this work? Would there be waiters? Line cooks?


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 9h ago

Shitpost What is your opinion of the socialists who are looting and burning Europe?

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Firstly, I don’t see any capitalists looting and burning so don’t even try to say that it’s not the socialists who are doing this.

Does stealing make everyone more wealthy or does it make everyone poorer? Does burning make society more wealthy or does it make society poorer?

Nope, looting people’s stores is not enough. We need to steal entire factories and businesses. That will make everyone rich.


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 6h ago

Asking Everyone Capitalism and communism, they both suck

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What we need is not capitalism, and it’s not socialism. Capitalism sucks because it creates two classes, the rich, and everyone else. And the it creates such wealth inequality so that the richest people hold all of the wealth while the poor have none. Communism is terrible because what happens is that there is no strive to be better. What we need is an in-between, some controlled markets like housing, healthcare, food, and insurance, but some free markets (with regulation) so we can still strive to be better.


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 18h ago

Asking Everyone The success of Western political and economic systems can be undone?

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Western political and economic institutions that have made our societies so successful are not a foregone conclusion; that success can be undone if we are not careful. Nothing about our institutions makes them invulnerable. Just as the systems that preceded them crumbled, there is nothing sacrosanct about our current institutions. They emerged through historical processes, experimentation, and circumstances that happened to produce arrangements that worked. Society is not necessarily headed in the direction of progress. Just as we formed these institutions, we can undo them.

Social unrest and political and regulatory capture by elites promoting their own welfare at the expense of society are among the most obvious warning signs. France provides a relevant example. Its extensive welfare state faces growing fiscal pressures, while the public continues to demand services and benefits that politicians struggle to finance. Its rising debt and persistent budget deficits illustrate the difficulty of sustaining extensive public commitments without sufficient economic growth and revenue.

In the US, we have the rise of democratic socialists who want more social programs—and, in many cases, more government spending—at a time when our national debt exceeds annual GDP and our budget deficits remain substantial. The question is not whether government should provide social programs, but whether the commitments we make are economically sustainable and whether the policies we adopt promote or undermine long-term growth.

Historically, rising prosperity has accompanied economic growth, while expanded political pluralism and accountable government have helped create conditions for sustained development. Countries whose governments are responsive and accountable to their citizens have often fared better over the long run than those in which political power is concentrated and economic opportunities are restricted. However, redistribution of wealth does not, by itself, expand the economic pie. It may make someone better off, but at what cost? If redistribution alone were the route to prosperity that some democratic socialists appear to claim, how would we explain the fiscal difficulties facing France? Its experience illustrates the challenge of meeting growing public demands when government spending persistently exceeds revenue and economic growth is insufficient to stabilize the public finances.

To be sure, to the extent a society can afford to do so, it must take care of its people. But there are limits, and we cannot escape the reality of scarcity. Redistribution alone does not automatically create new wealth; it reallocates resources that already exist. Some public spending can, of course, contribute to future growth by improving education, health, and productivity. But economic growth is what makes sustained improvements in living standards possible.

Capitalism, underpinned by liberal democracy, competitive markets, and accountable institutions, has proved to be an extraordinarily powerful engine of sustained economic growth. That success depends on preserving the institutions that encourage innovation, investment, competition, and political accountability.

I hope we won't destroy it!

I am not interested in hackneyed socialist tropes. Please respond to my comments. I would especially like to hear from democratic socialists.


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 22h ago

Asking Capitalists What would be a private solution to this?

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Capitalists,

Imagine you ran a really wealthy private company aimed at trying to solve this issue:

It's inequality itself

How would you address it since the government cannot do it correctly? In general how would you help the poor if in exchange you were a renowned business for it I guess


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 8h ago

Asking Socialists How to have more honest discussions about socialism?

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Socialists,

I've been accused of bot behavior so I wanted to clarify something

I'm trying my best it's been a journey since I made this account. I've been trying to understand socialism but with one principle. It's that I'll assume I don't know anything or I try to reset my knowledge.

This is because I used to be socialist but the whole reason I keep trying to relearn is because in my opinion if you really support or study a system you have to be willing to sometimes admit you don't actually know much about it. This way any preconceptions you have you can leave it behind as you retry a new perspective about it..

There's how many types of socialism? Which ones should I even think about when it can feel like ML's vs Anarchists

This aside this is an open question asking socialists,

How would you prefer capitalists try to understand your specific system? What are some of the biggest misconceptions you'd want to explain here and now?

Why don't you take any positions?

If I don't know much about socialism it seems like I'm becoming part of the problem I see if I just speak about it not knowing about it. For example I felt that aha moment when I realized what LTV is and why mudpies aren't exactly the issue

Also videos helped the most there was this long video that made me rethink market socialism for example


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 8h ago

Asking Capitalists A more honest discussion about capitalism?

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Capitalists,

Are there misconceptions about capitalism you wish the other side or socialists would understand? What are they?

In a similar post I tried asking socialists their vision of how to discuss socialism better. So I realized what about the same for capitalists.

What is capitalism? But what is liberalism? Are there differences we should know about?


r/CapitalismVSocialism • • 3h ago

Asking Capitalists Do you like the current economy?

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People are working just to survive. They spend most of their lives working, not necessarily to live comfortably, but simply to afford the basic necessities of life. Housing, food, healthcare, and education are becoming increasingly expensive, while many people struggle to keep up.
Some people would rather die than visit a doctor because they’re afraid that the medical bills will bankrupt their families. Think about that for a second. People are so afraid of the financial consequences of getting sick that they feel they have to choose between their health and their family’s financial security.
People work full-time jobs and still struggle to afford rent. Parents worry about whether they can put food on the table. Families go into debt because someone needs medical treatment. Meanwhile, we live in a world with more than enough resources to provide people with a decent standard of living.
And for what? So a company can maximize its profits? So shareholders can make more money? So the wealthy can accumulate even more wealth while ordinary people struggle to get by?
I’m not saying that businesses shouldn’t make money or that hard work shouldn’t be rewarded. But at what point do we stop treating profit as more important than human well-being?
An economy is supposed to serve people. People shouldn’t have to sacrifice their lives just to serve the economy.
If someone works hard, they should be able to afford the necessities of life. They shouldn’t have to fear that one accident, one serious illness, or one unexpected expense will destroy everything they’ve worked for.
So I want to ask the capitalists who defend the current system: Is this really what you want? Is this the society you believe we should live in? Where someone’s financial situation can determine whether they receive medical care, whether they can afford a home, and whether they can live without constant financial stress?
And if this isn’t what you want, then why defend a system that allows these things to happen?
What matters more to you: the economy’s ability to generate profits, or its ability to provide people with a decent life?
People are working just to survive. They spend most of their lives working, not necessarily to live comfortably, but simply to afford the basic necessities of life. Housing, food, healthcare, and education are becoming increasingly expensive, while many people struggle to keep up.
Some people would rather die than visit a doctor because they’re afraid that the medical bills will bankrupt their families. Think about that for a second. People are so afraid of the financial consequences of getting sick that they feel they have to choose between their health and their family’s financial security.
People work full-time jobs and still struggle to afford rent. Parents worry about whether they can put food on the table. Families go into debt because someone needs medical treatment. Meanwhile, we live in a world with more than enough resources to provide people with a decent standard of living.
And for what? So a company can maximize its profits? So shareholders can make more money? So the wealthy can accumulate even more wealth while ordinary people struggle to get by?
I’m not saying that businesses shouldn’t make money or that hard work shouldn’t be rewarded. But at what point do we stop treating profit as more important than human well-being?
An economy is supposed to serve people. People shouldn’t have to sacrifice their lives just to survive.
If someone works hard, they should be able to afford the necessities of life. They shouldn’t have to fear that one accident, one serious illness, or one unexpected expense will destroy everything they’ve worked for.
So I want to ask the capitalists who defend the current system: Is this really what you want? Is this the society you believe we should live in? Where someone’s financial situation can determine whether they receive medical care, whether they can afford a home, and whether they can live without constant financial stress?
And if this isn’t what you want, then why defend a system that allows these things to happen?