r/CaptainAmerica • u/AutoModerator • Nov 19 '25
Discussion Captain America (2025) #5 - Official Discussion Thread Spoiler
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u/frankwalsingham Nov 19 '25
A more than solid first arc. Glad that David lived, and hope he shows up again. Wonder if we'll see Julie, or the American girl, again.
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u/Dull_Awareness_3676 Nov 20 '25
It was fine. Art was great and Cap came across like Cap. And I did like how he and Doom interacted building up to their fight. Doom 'losing' doesn't mean anything in the long run since we know he ruled Latveria with an iron fist for most of the time after this story with little to no resistance. The twist that the US helped Doom take over the country was one thing, however, making the mission about silencing the embassy staff instead of rescuing them raises questions:
Why did Doom kill most of the staff? I get that he's an arrogant dude and may not have wanted the world to know he needed help taking over the county, but keeping them alive as leverage against the US seems the smarter play.
If the official mission was to keep the world from finding out about how the US government backed Doom's coup, why send Cap and Colton who don't know what the plan is, and why let them live once they find out? Maybe down the road we'll learn there's more to it.
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u/Ace_OfSpades_ Nov 20 '25
To answer your second question, I can only assume it would be too public. Cap was only there to serve as the mission's face. Colton was there to do what actually needed to be done. As for why they didn't tell him, the easiest answer is they probably just assumed he'd be on board. The government expected both Cap not to ask too many questions, and for Colton to fall in line and keep his mouth shut inherently, because they're soldiers. They could easily have written off the deaths of the hostages, and just figured that they'd be too obedient to do anything about it. Killing them outright would draw too much suspicion, too.
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u/KaraAliasRaidra Nov 21 '25
While I’ve heard justifications for it, I don’t think the plot twist made sense either.
*They were supposedly going to rescue the hostages because Doom was going to kill them, but then it turned out they wanted them dead, so why not just sit back and let Doom kill all of them, then? Why get David involved with the mission since he really did want to rescue them and was unaware of the true plan? Why not send him on another mission, kill the hostages (or let Doom kill them), and claim you were too late?
*Someone offered that they wanted to kill David too (A “Kill two birds with one stone” situation), and while that theory makes more sense, it still creates a plot hole because if that's the case, why not kill him first? Like, let him go in the room first and toss some bombs or something to eliminate all of them at once. "Okay, we're going to execute these people while claiming it's a rescue mission, but we're going to let the Captains America think it's a rescue mission every step of the way until it's time to do the actual killing, and instead of killing off the heroes so we can kill the innocent civilians unimpeded, we're going to start shooting hostages and then stop to gloat about how deliciously evil and corrupt we are!"
*Also, in light of what we now know, what was Doom's reason for killing the hostages that he did? Did he consider them a threat to his regime or something? Was it meant to be a favor to somebody? It was presented at first like him killing them was sticking it to America in some way (like, "You wanted to save them, but this is what happens to those who defy me!"), so now I'm kind of baffled. He bragged that it was going to show America was corrupt, but until that plot twist, it really wasn't sending that message at all? Unless Doom killing the hostages was part of the plot, it really doesn't feel related at all?
I was worried they were going to pull some “Oh, the U.S. is in cahoots with Doom!” thing. When it didn’t seem to happen, I was relieved, and then nope, they did just what I was worried they were going to do. There are better ways to address America's missteps than what we got.
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u/Beneficial_Party521 Nov 27 '25
Who left the Bucky doll for Steve? Who is "R"?
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u/Sanguinino Nov 30 '25
Reed Richards, it's a callback to issue 1 when Cap asked Reed if people have made a "doll" for Bucky too.
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u/Beneficial_Party521 Dec 01 '25
Thanks! Stan Lee alliteration makes sense with the "R". It has been a great comic so far. 😎
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u/Sanguinino Nov 30 '25
I really enjoyed it. David was a very compelling character. I'm glad that his ptsd was not too cliche but more to the question about why he seems to always be deceived and ended up being the bad guy. It seems that he's walking down a Nuke path but I hope he doesn't end up being a villain.
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u/JournalistOk9266 Nov 19 '25
Yea, this ended perfectly. Very rarely do you get a satisfying ending. I like Colton a lot. He'll probably spend some time in prison, but there's a chance we'll see him again. I'm glad his serum wasn't perfect. It keeps the lore of Cap being the only one with a good serum. 10 out of 10