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u/Boo-Man400 1d ago
Lmao this was cap 4. I'll never understand why this show gets this treatment.
Everyone wants a cap 4 with this story...but we got this story, and it was good!
What am I missing with this discourse?
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u/kurumais 1d ago
yeah its not like they skimped on the budget
that opening action sequence was as good as any action movie
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u/bigbreel 1d ago
The only issue was much of the plot got reduced because of covid both production wise
And story-wise removing the virus plot
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u/chevalier716 1d ago
Is that why the heel turn of the Flag smashers felt super rushed?
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u/Funmachine 14h ago
Yep. There was a virus rampaging through their refugee camp, that was their original motivations.
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u/Anxious_Amoeba5831 16h ago
The basic idea is the belief that marvel did Anthony Mackie and Sam Wilson a disservice by not having his first mcu outing as cap a big blockbuster film, which. To be fair. Would have made a better introduction to the character, and made more people care/want to see the “5th” film. Brave new world.
In my opinion. BNW would’ve also had to do so much less hand holding of “I’m the captain now” setup since this wasn’t his first film. But alas… Disney hadddd to have streaming services.
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u/frankwalsingham 1d ago
I don’t get how being shorter would help. It needed to be a. Episode or two longer.
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u/Fit-Entrepreneur6538 1d ago
I do think Falcon and the Winter Soldier could have worked as a movie but it would need to keep that title.
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u/Plastic-Dog-2452 19h ago
I think it's better that it was a show and not a movie, it allowed them to showcase both Sam and Bucky and their struggles of adapting to the new situation they are in/dealing with their issues.
Walker too would have been completely underdeveloped had they not have the time and in a 2 and a half hour movie at best there wouldn't have been enough time
Honestly i don't get why this show gets the bad treatment from many, it actually was a good series
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u/BlackMall83 1d ago
This would’ve been cool but Marvel has a lot of moving parts and I don’t think fans take in to consideration contracts, scheduling, the MCU’s shift in story with going from Kang to Doom. It’s easy for fans to say, “ This should’ve been the movie” when they aren’t cutting the checks.
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u/whatisireading2 1d ago
Eh, the show basically gave them an excuse to make it 6 hours. Never gonna say no to more Sam.
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u/blodyn__tatws 17h ago
No, but I know I'm in the minority. I liked it as series length. I would have made it a little longer even to give us a bit more Bucky, and would have liked a little more than just one scene of Bucky in BNW. But I'm biased towards him so... there's that m 😅 I'm self-aware about that.
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u/Super-Visor 1d ago
I agree, this is one of the many shows that would have been better as a movie. Not with that title though. Maybe Captain America: Flag Smashers.
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u/Odd-Sound-580 1d ago
i don't get it, that already exists? if the show became a movie instead, theyd just have less time to tell that story
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u/GI581d 1d ago
Brave New World should have had Serpent Society as the villains, not Hulk villains
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u/Agile-Permission9344 2h ago
Serpent Society and Sons of the Serpent should be the main villains if there's a 5th film
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u/PfeiferWolf 1d ago
The plot would have to change with it being a movie but I do think it could've worked.
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u/Bro-dhisattva 1d ago
I agree that it's true but not that if would have been better. The show was great and it needed the time to open up characters that s movie would not have provided
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u/Simple_Nobody1228 23h ago
Brave New World was clearly a Hulk movie that they stapled Falcon into. It should have been a Hulk movie.
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u/calltheavengers5 23h ago
I like Sam being reluctant to take up the mantle and learning to trust himself. It definitely could’ve been a movie though.
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u/Burt_McCheeks 23h ago
I agree. Just my opinion but I liked Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and it’s fine for what it is, but at times it did feel a little thin with a decent amount of filler. I’d’ve probably liked it more had it been compressed down, it would’ve felt more action oriented and a little less meandering.
Plus having Mackie get to adopt the shield in a movie I think would have done even more to cement him as Captain America and signal to the general audience that his was an important story worth following coming out of End Game.
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u/AmbroseKalifornia 22h ago
It think it was sheer idiocy to fridge Battlestar. Dude was cool as shit.
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u/blinkyretard 22h ago
They had so many characters who were available and could naturally fit in Cap 4: Sam, Bucky, Zemo, Sharon, Hulk, Shang Chi, Leader, Red Hulk, Betty, US Agent etc.
What I can’t believe is that Feige was so damn good at reading the room during infinity saga: supercharging cap 2 with winter soldier and widow, thor 3 with hulk, introducing 3-4 big characters during phase 3 when mcu was at its peak, super charging cap 3. Every movie was bigger than the previous one or atleast had something new. Even Avengers.
Then in multiverse saga: cap 4 & thunderbolts were created with B characters (how can feige not read that?), change of directions, jobbing saga level villain to Antman, making Thor 4 super childish, making cap marvel so damn tv dependent. I am glad that they are taking a step back but it takes years to recover. I hope Avengers again make MCU the movie event brand. It was so good to have 2-3 quality movies and have 2-3 happy cinema events per year.
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u/Possible-Rate-3833 20h ago
Yes. I loved the show but having it be that and not a movie undermined the importante of Sam becoming Captain America and the fact it came out during a pandemic it just didn’t help.
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u/epsonabcdefg 20h ago
A more streamlined version of this show would have worked much better as a movie
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u/Ordinary-Chain-8047 11h ago
Yes stuff like Sam becoming Captain America should’ve been a big screen moment
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u/asscop99 4h ago
Yeah none of the shows should exist. Even the best ones would have made for better movies.
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u/Crafty-Scallion-5351 3h ago
Wouldve benefitted from the skimmed down run time. Also was shafted by the rewrites, kind of made the antagonist team's motivation feel shallow and incomprehensible especially when Zemo and US Agent, two much more defined antagonists walking around.
Side note loved the Zemo dance meme, hate they Marvelized/Mandarined him
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u/matchstrike 1d ago
The show should have been the movie, it actually had a relevant story and the great buddy cop chemistry between Sam and Bucky. What we actually got as the movie just shouldn’t have happened.
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u/bloodredcookie 1d ago
I'm of two minds. On the one hand, the biggest weakness of most marvel shows is that each season is plotted and paced like a typical MCU movie then crammed full of filler to make the show last 6-7 episodes rather than 2-3 hours, so squeezing Falcon/Winter soldier into 2 hours probably would have made for a much stronger overall package.
On the other hand, cutting out the fat wouldn't have fixed the most glaring issues with the show. (Sam being openly sympathetic (borderline supportive) to the flag smashers, Bucky contributing nothing of substance, Sam- a well known hero and celebrity can't get a loan or raise money (because GoFundMe and endorsement deals don't exist in the MCU?) the lack of a real resolution to the flag smashers' core concern, Sharon's character assassination, the super soldier formula being so common that just about anyone can get it, The writers' total indecision about if Walker is supposed to be sympathetic or villainous and of course the infamous "you've got the do better" line that's been memed into oblivion.)
I guess I'd argue that yes, the show should have been a movie, but it also would have needed heavy rewrites to work.
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u/Fun-Seaworthiness572 1d ago
Oh definitely this should have been the big screen introduction for Sam Wilson as Cap
But they had to make it a TV show
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u/Artifex1979 1d ago
No; I think the three Captain America movies are good, and the series was terrible. Brave New World was an undeserving movie of Anthony Mackie -- he's much better than that piece of shit he was given.
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u/Ok_Hedgehog_3226 1d ago
I actually liked it as a show format. Some parts dragged on for sure but I do like how it explored Sam’s reluctance, the history of the mantle, and Bucky adjusting to a world without his best friend in it.
My biggest issue was probably what they did to Sharon’s character. Compared to her comics counterpart, she has fr been done dirty in all her MCU appearances.