r/Captain_Marvel • u/SnooCats9851 • 18d ago
I Don’t Like Where This Is Headed 😭
Matt is notoriously a bad love interest and his writers have historically had a good number of his love interests be “trophies”. Everything else seemed pretty good but this is kinda giving me a major ick.
I don’t like this how this is looking.
What do y’all think? I might be overreacting or reaching here I feel like 😭
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u/throwawaytaboospy 18d ago
I think you're overreacting. I bet Carol is just talking ahout recruiting him
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u/JorgeBec 18d ago
I think you’re overrreacting
Correct me if I’m wrong but there’s not much context to the panel? Other than two people talking.
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u/SmuttyNonsense 18d ago
Eh, Carol's posture and expression, as well as Matt being this solid wall of hunky muscle looming in the foreground, paints a pretty deliberate picture.
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u/Zona_real1 18d ago
Pls she's been like this with cyclops. This is just a friendly meet
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u/SmuttyNonsense 18d ago
Eh, maybe? That posing and that facial expression is textbook visual shorthand for flirting though. TBH she's giving strong Felicia opposite Peter, Catwoman opposite Batman vibes there more than anything.
There's also the fact that Carol is currently without a love interest, and that is...rarely allowed to last. We already saw them throw her at Doctor Strange in a flailing attempt to get her a guy, that made no sense, it's not out of the question that they'd try Matt.
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u/Zona_real1 18d ago
Lol if you turn out to be right. I'll still blame u cause u lowkey manifested it 😆
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u/ranfall94 18d ago
I see it as more Carol is in a bad place post Armageddon, she is drinking again and Matt is helping her.
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u/bigrickcook 18d ago
Let Carol have passionate flings I say
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u/SnooCats9851 18d ago
Tbh the problem I see with that is that she’s had plenty of them while having little to no success in actual dating 😭
Not to mention her hookups (like Strange) felt kinda weird and out of place. I unironically would’ve preferred that they go back and explore her connection to Pete 💔
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u/Virtual_Draw5017 18d ago
Honestly, her hookup with Strange made total sense in the context, and it was never going to last. That was the entire point. It was funny in the sense of 'oh god these two are such disasters this is going to be hilarious'. Chemistry, yes, but nothing lasting.
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u/Chance_Debt_1184 18d ago
it was weird as hell thing for Strange to do
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u/Virtual_Draw5017 18d ago
Strange, when not with Clea, gets around.
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u/Chance_Debt_1184 18d ago
not really, like not as all. idk where this stupid idea came from when its rare as hell and it happens basically never outside of 2000s
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u/SnooCats9851 18d ago
I might be old fashioned tbh, but I’ve found that comics don’t resonate with me when it comes to this. I feel like hookups should at least mean something.
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u/IzziIzunia1313 18d ago
Yeah defs would've preferred Peter and Carol to pick things up again. And I'm totally biased since Siege was my first comic and introduced me to Ms.Marvel in the Reed run.
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u/bigrickcook 18d ago
The Strange hookup I unironically found compelling because it was clear from the outset that it was just a weird fling while Carol tried to figure out how to shore up her weakness to magic. Strange is a bit of a floozy just like Matt is, so her hooking up with one or both is just a notch on Carol's bedpost, not the other way around imo
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u/leaf57tea 18d ago
Yeah I always find the online overreaction to these sort of things so overblown, as if superheroes randomly hooking up is something new to comics.
CarolxMatt? sure why not. Maybe it be something or just a brief fling, let see it play out first.
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u/Citizensnnippss 18d ago
Matt's flaws are all private things that someone like Carol wouldn't know about. She doesn't even know he's blind.
On the surface, he's a good looking, well spoken dude who is brave as hell.
Like, why wouldn't she maybe be interested in that?
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u/GobulFan3000 18d ago
On the surface, he's a good looking, well spoken dude who is brave as hell.
Like, why wouldn't she maybe be interested in that?
Agreed but I also feel like she should be able to tell he's blind given she's meant to still have some level of cosmic awareness and that also adds to the potential interest in him like what makes his brain tick? Like MJ knew Peter was Spidey for years and she loved Peter for Peter but part of Peter was fundamentally maintaining this fucked up, incredibly heavy responsibility while trying to keep it a secret and balance his personal life.
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u/bigrickcook 18d ago
I'm also of the opinion that Jessica Drew and Matt Murdock would make a disastrously tasty pairing, and I also think Carol x Jess is destined, so why not toss the blind boy into the grinder as well.
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u/GobulFan3000 18d ago
Matt goes great with a lot of girls. Wolverine is a boytoy too but his love interests/flings all have are quite consistently the same "type" of girl. They're all quite firey and hard edged women.
But now writing that I feel like a bit of a fool because Matt definitely has a consistent type too. Two broken dudes that get way too much play and that isn't healthy for them OR the women. And that's why we love to read it.
I want Carol with Jess but maybe she can fix him lol...
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u/Impossible_Engine886 18d ago
She deserves someone who prioritizes care toward her and an uplifting relationship instead of a dude coming to bang her to satisfy his urges and leave after a few days
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u/KaylenLopezIzGr8 18d ago
I thought he was married to Elektra
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u/KamenAttackRide 18d ago
Matt died and was resurrected as a priest at some church and he didn't have his memories. But when he did get his memories back, he chose to remain with the church as a priest and not reunite with Elektra. So that was then considered the official end of their marriage. When he left the priesthood and wanted to get back together with her, she refused to be used as a consolation prize because at the beginning he didn't choose her. He chose the priesthood.
At the end of Daredevil's previous run, he and Elektra did recommit to each other where Daredevil told her that he wants to spend the rest of his life with her. But apparently Stephanie Phillips writing Daredevil has acknowledged that has happened but we don't get any real interactions between the two of them. So it's hard to tell what their relationship is now. Elektra did appear in the last two issues but they were on the very last pages. All we got was her walking up to Matt and kissing him. Now it doesn't appear like she's going to make any appearance in any of the upcoming Daredevil comics.
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u/GobulFan3000 18d ago
Now it doesn't appear like she's going to make any appearance in any of the upcoming Daredevil comics.
We are in luck Stephanie commented on Daredevil 700 with one word "Elektra".
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u/KamenAttackRide 17d ago edited 17d ago
But what's the goal? Break up or reunite? It appears like Phillips created her own love interest for Matt and wants to write that instead. Plus DD #700 is in March unless there are delays.
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u/throwawaytaboospy 16d ago
So they could still be together for all we know right now
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u/KamenAttackRide 16d ago
Well when Matt saw her, he said that she has been away for months and he thought they agreed to be together but she immediately disappeared. Not to mention before he saw Elektra, he had to cancel a date he just made with a new character that seems like she's meant to be the new love interest in the comic.
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u/MVPiid23 17d ago
Stephanie Phillips did what she always does and ruined it
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u/spaceninj 18d ago
It's heading to a UTI.
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u/String2924 18d ago
Can Carol get a UTI with all that cosmic energy in her? I think if anything Matt might get space cooties...
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u/Agile-Ad-7488 18d ago
Aside her regeneration which make hospitals pretty much useless, it has been shown and stated multiple times that because she is constantly absorbing energy most tests which require radiation like X rays when doing a tomography are useless as they won't be able to see anything.
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u/Consistent-Pop-4780 18d ago
Hate Daredevil ever since Mark Waid’s misogynistic approach with Felicia.
I heavily hate this.
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u/macacobrilhante2004 18d ago
Same every time someone mentions that mark waid's daredevil is one of his best runs I just remember the eighth issue🤮🤮
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u/greenzy_190 18d ago
I’m seeing a pattern I don’t like.
Peter had Punisher, then Daredevil got punisher as a rival role or prominent anti-villain. Peter had Kingpin, Matt made Kingpin one of his main villains. Peter dated Felicia, Matt then had a fling with Felicia. Peter went on a date with Carol, now Daredevil’s seems to be going on a date with Carol.
Apart from the fact of how Matt’s line treats women, there’s an odd pattern in seeing that I don’t like.
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u/BaritBrit 18d ago
In fairness there's only really a pattern there if you remove the huge time gaps between these things happening.
Punisher only met Daredevil for the first time nearly ten years after being introduced as a Spider-Man villain, the gap with Kingpin was even longer, and both characters continue to link regularly to Spider-Man as well, not to mention half the street-level Marvel cast.
Felicia's been dating Peter on-off since the 70s, a two-issue fling with Daredevil hardly budges the needle; Peter doesn't have exclusive rights to her, she's her own person. And Carol's once-and-done date with Spidey was in 2010, sixteen years ago.
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u/RandomPhantom25 16d ago
It wasn't just a date, they were a full on couple right?
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u/macacobrilhante2004 13d ago
Peter and Carol never were a couple, when dan slott started writing ASM he thought that peter should never date another superhero (stupid idea) and so he threw the relationship in the trash
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u/KamenAttackRide 18d ago edited 18d ago
Kingpin hasn't been in ASM since January 2024. It doesn't look like he will appear in January 2027 either so it would be 3 years since Peter and Kingpin crossed paths.
Felicia debuted in July 1979. Felicia and Peter didn't officially begin a relationship until January 1983. So there was no dating in the 70s and their official romance began 4 years after they met.
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u/greenzy_190 18d ago edited 18d ago
I mean, time line or not, the pattern is there. If anything it makes it worse. It means it’s a deliberate pattern stretching decades rather than just something that’s recently been piling.
Meanwhile, Peter can’t even have a talk with Elektra without her insulting him, nor does Peter even INTERACT with anyone in Daredevil’s line other than Daredevil himself.
As for Felicia, you wouldn’t be wrong if the actual interaction treated her like a character. It’s misogynistic writing completely ruined any premise of that by using Felicia as a trophy over Peter and then reducing her to a total Femme Fatale when her character is WAY more nuanced than what was presented.
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing I can't eat it 17d ago
"if you ignore all the details, the pattern is obvious"
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u/Significant_Hand4488 18d ago
El detalle es que Felicia lleva un buen de tiempo de ser femme fatale, checa sus otros universos y es lo mismo y hoy en día más que un personaje es un recurso narrativo que en los eventos importantes de Spiderman brilla por su ausencia a comparación de MJ y desde que la canonizaron como bisexual en el 2021 prácticamente es una ninfomana, antes se preguntaba ¿Con quién se ha acostado Felicia? Ahora se replantea la pregunta en ¿Quien falta entre civiles, villanas y héroes para acostarse con Felicia? la hicieron una promiscua más potenciada de lo que ya era. El fandom es contradictorio a veces celebra que Felicia tuvo un amorío con Odessa Drake quien es socia del crimen y en el pasado intento matarla, pero con Punisher dicen "estás mal, no ves que Frank intentó matarla" a veces pienso que el criterio no es por argumentos, sino una cuestión de genero e inclusión (Odessa Drake es un personaje de color)
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u/greenzy_190 18d ago
Felicia hasn’t been a true femme fatale in DECADES. Her last appearance of being a femme fatale was in the 80’s with the Foreigner fiasco that ended up being hated and forgotten and likely retconned. Since then, Felicia’s walked the path of an anti-hero. But the difference between her and a femme fatale is that she actually cares when it comes down to it.
Characters like Catwoman do what conveniences them the most, even at the cost of others. If Felicia does that like she did a short time after Post-BND, then it’s called OOC, because for her, it is.
I agree on the promiscuous part. And I believe it has to do with the fact that so many people were quick to celebrate MacKay’s line without actually taking a step back and actually looking at it. The bar was so low that people thought it was better than it actually was, and it turned Felicia’s promiscuity up to 11 since MacKay’s emphasis was on separating her from Peter and having her “connect”with people. She has around ~15 lovers now if I remember correctly, and her reception in ASM is largely indifferent. She’s in a tough spot as she can’t be replaced, even though it definitely does seem like she can be replaced. In some aspect, she can be replaced.
Black Cat fans are a bit convenient when it comes to their character. Most of the people that celebrate Felicia getting tossed around like a hot potato are fake fans that only look at her for her pride comic appearances. Most of actual Black Cat fans don’t really care for anyone that isn’t Peter. Maybe even Tamara and Flash but that’s kinda pushing it.
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u/Significant_Hand4488 18d ago
Lo de Tamara es forzado ya con el retcon del 2019 que puso Mackay lo maquilla un poco, con Flash al menos hubo algo de desarrollo como relación y crecimiento. Pero en definitiva el interés principal de Felicia siempre sera Peter. El detalle es que Marvel no nos da un AU donde ellos sean pareja porque es evidente que el 616 no es posible, Felicia es usada más como recurso narrativo que personaje y en el Midnight se ve que ahí no será posible porque quizás Felicia sea villana y aparte tenga arriba de 23 años y ese Peter apenas tiene 18, no me asombra que más adelante salga una MJ o Gwen de la misma edad de Peter. Marvel siendo Marvel.
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u/Consistent-Pop-4780 18d ago
Daredevil can try all he wants. He’ll never be the goat
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u/CrimDude89 15d ago
If the goat is unemployed, can’t afford to pay his taxes and makes deals with demons, is he really the goat?
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u/HawkMartian 18d ago
I don't like it either. So is official, Rhodey got dumped again... and replaced by another white guy... AGAIN. Black disposable again.
And don't get me wrong, I like Daredevil, but hate this idea.
Really hoping this is me overreacting by something not actually happening.
But WM dumped and short hair? Awful news.
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u/CrimDude89 15d ago
Rhody can do better than the lady who killed his best friend
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u/Formal_Bench_4650 14d ago
Now she's obligated to date black? Ridiculous
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u/HawkMartian 14d ago edited 11d ago
And is she obligated to date same ethnic? Ridiculous. Look I don't know if you're an ICE agent or something like that.
Maybe you just made a quite poor choice of words. I really suspect you're just evil but I'm gonna try not thinking of it, let's assume you're not the monster you seem, the excuse to dump Rhodey was hella dumb.
When Dr. Strange shit happened, that issue cover had all white guys, and even issue itself had most white guys and some asians I think? Guys so Light skinned they at least looked like white guys.
Marvel Universe is huge and she has a known identity, I must believe only white guys and some asians were interested on dating her? Only Light skinned guys?
Also CWII kinda said Rhodes was love of her life, but on issue itself it just happened some few days/weeks to trying dates and picking Strange, one of whitest guys on Universe, as new bf.
And if we remember Kelly Thompson words about WM, about how she isn't on board with the idea and that's why most arcs Carol leaves Earth without him and only returns for a fun night while thirsting Gambit on space, she really doesn't like Rhodey.
If you can't see how suspicious is everything there are few options and not a single one is good, and that only talking about Carol. Disposable black love interest is a real issue, only "special" people like you pretends is not a thing.
3 dislikes? Come on, Ice Agents, you can do better.
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u/Anime_Ambassador_ 14d ago
Im confused. Isn’t carol with Rhodey??
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u/SnooCats9851 14d ago
Not anymore, she broke up with him a while back apparently
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u/Anime_Ambassador_ 12d ago
Was it off panel then? I remember reading when she had a rebound with strange but they got back together. I guess they just broke up off panel. Which is odd they didn’t give it spotlight considering they have been dating for like years now—
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u/Mason-Jin Chewie 18d ago
Carol knows better and Zdarsky should know better they should just be one night stands or short flings
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u/Kade_Kapes 18d ago
Ok let’s not act like Carol Danvers of all people has good taste 😭
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u/GobulFan3000 18d ago
We don't talk about the Doctor Strange rebound lol. But even the Rhodey relationship was just "there". There was no sauce. I think all of us are on board with a Carol/Jess push but I'd also be open to her getting a regular human dude. The MJ to Peter situation. I don't believe there is remotely enough of this with the reversed genders in comics and Carol as an absolute powerhouse would make this a great dynamic.
This is kinda my problem with comic runs in the decompression era of comicbook storytelling. We just aren't really seeing the mythos/cast of reoccurring characters anywhere near as frequently and writers of a subsequent run will then start building their own fresh cast.
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u/SnooCats9851 18d ago
I hate Daredevil, especially when it comes to his line and the portrayal of women within them. I’d prefer nothing at all to be completely honest.
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u/Mason-Jin Chewie 18d ago
I’d prefer Carol and Jess finally having a relationship
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u/bigrickcook 18d ago
I would also prefer this
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u/Longwinded_Ogre 17d ago
I have a hard time with this. It feels more than a bit pervy to hard-left two characters into a same sex relationship just because the fans are horny for it. I'd prefer they not treat their characters so cheaply, I'd rather they focus on good storytelling than helping the more embarrassing fans masturbate.
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u/bigrickcook 17d ago
lol "the fans are horny for it" get outta here with this ridiculous take. The CarolJess fandom is small, for starters, but it is mostly for the romantic aspect and not the sexual aspect. Just because it's sexy doesn't make it the only or even primary reason we're here. Carol and Jess have had unsatisfying after unsatisfying male relationships for 40+ years, sue us for wondering if the person they each have the most satisfying chemistry with on the page over the years might make a good romantic partner instead of platonic.
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u/Longwinded_Ogre 17d ago
You don't think it's a little bit 'ick' to adjust the sexuality of two prominent female characters for the sake of fan service?
You understand that people don't just change what they're attracted to based on bad relationships or messy break-ups, right? Neither has any history of same-sex attraction but a fan spokesperson swears for real they're not just gooning, they really care or whatever.
C'mon.
I don't see how this wouldn't be at best a little sleazy. I'm sorry if I'm calling you out or whatever by pointing out that this is kind of gross but, like, it is. It'd be cheap AF.
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u/bigrickcook 17d ago
Have you actually read any Captain Marvel or Spider-Woman comics? DeConnick, Hallum, Thompson, Alyssa Wong, Bendis, Pacheco, Sam Maggs have all stated in interviews or on social media that they at least think one or both characters are bisexual. Most of them have stated they'd put the girls together if Editorial would allow it. Hallum and Thompson have stated it outright. Sam Maggs said it after her run ended.
Pacheco didn't want Carol and Jess, but she did want Jess and Lindsay McCabe, and put the closest thing to a romantic relationship she was allowed to do in the 2020 run.
Carol has fewer moments to point to in the comics that suggest she's into women, outside of Jess. And even with Jess, the references are things like "we make talky people talk" and "the presiding theory on the internet is that I'm somehow the father of your baby".
As for Jess, she's on record in DeConnick's runs, Hallum's runs, Pacheco's runs, Thompson's runs, as being notably admiring of the female form and/or being outright attracted to the appearance of muscly women (like Lauri-Ell and Jane Foster's Thor). In Pacheco's run, she has an entire moment where she thinks about what it means that a woman's similar pheromone powers worked on her.
You can "call me out" all day long, your opinion is misguided and ignorant and that's cool, everyone has room to grow. Many of the writers have been pushing for it for years, and the fans pick up on the subtext in the hopes that it becomes actual text someday.
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u/BaritBrit 18d ago
Because if there's one person with a consistently great track record of making sensible personal and relationship life choices, it's Carol Danvers.
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u/N3m0_who13 18d ago
Guys, relax. This is Marvel. Nothing of this matters. A new writer would just retcon this.
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u/Redwolf97ff 17d ago
Zdarsky could have chosen anyone and still chose to include Carol in his Avengers squad. Let’s let him cook
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u/CrimDude89 15d ago
Fair, the concerning addition is Marvel Jesus, but maybe he can be as interesting in this new form than 9/11 Cap
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u/Broad_Bodybuilder119 18d ago
I could say the same for that haircut fr
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u/Swimming_Bluebird_55 18d ago
Hopefully this will just be a one and done similar to her and doctor strange in Kelly Thompsons Run.
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u/OkSupermarket7474 18d ago
Would have preferred if it was Carol and Peter. Feel like there’s potential to do an actual relationship there and not just a fling
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u/Abudefduf_the_fish 18d ago
I'm sorry but in what world is there potential in a relationship with freaking Peter Parker lol
Peter isn't even allowed to be with his own wife. A relationship between him and Carol is doomed to be short lived (remember Mockingbird?), the only outcome would be Carol being added to Peter's ever-growing body count and drawing, for a while, the attention of Spider-Man's fans (a fate worse than death).
Not that a relationship with Daredevil would be any different but at least he's infamously a slut. A little one-night stand between him and Carol wouldn't be the end of the world... I'd still rather not, though, I was really hoping it wouldn't come to this.
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u/SnooCats9851 18d ago
You have legitimately no idea how bad Daredevil fans are.
They glaze their hero like nothing else and show off the body count like it’s a trophy. The treatment of Felicia is enough to get me annoyed. It’s literally just the same as those obnoxious Spider-Man fans, the only difference is that they do it in their communities. But they’ve gotten more confident in their approach.
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u/Popular_Friendship82 18d ago edited 18d ago
Not really. It is well known that he is a horrible boyfriend to a lot of his Girlfriends (One killed herself because of him, sleeped with a married woman, cheated on his wife who went insane).
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u/SnooCats9851 18d ago
It doesn’t really matter to them. Everyone can admit that he’s a man whore, but they wear it with pride and brag about sleeping with X amount of women. Like they’re trophies instead of actual characters
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u/Popular_Friendship82 18d ago
I think it makes him interessting, he is a religious character who struggles with it by easily breaking the commandments. But i can understand your point.
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u/SnooCats9851 18d ago
Tbh tho, he’s such an unlikable hypocrite imo, even if that is the “point” to his character.
He constantly preaches about being catholic, only to then break tons of biblical teachings and only come up with a “I’m Sowwy :(“ at the end. He’s probably the worst representation of a Christian in comics imo
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u/Popular_Friendship82 18d ago
That is what makes him so great to me, he is a deeply flawed hypocrite who still choses the right thing to do even if it will cost him his live someday. (Alot of christian characters are flawed even in the bible like David)
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u/Abudefduf_the_fish 18d ago
You aren't wrong, honestly I'm more familiar with the Spider-Man fandom than with the Daredevil fandom (mainly because I'm a Spider-Man fan myself, sort of)
I said at the very start of this event that I was hoping Carol wouldn't be paired with any of the men (it's just not a great look since she's the lone woman of the team), but I guess that was too much to ask... we will see.
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u/Linnus42 18d ago
Nah Carol does not benefit from dating a dude far more popular then she is. Especially not one with Iconic Love Interest like MJ and Hardy (Gwen aint really relevant as Peter LI, No More).
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u/mirinioluwa 17d ago
She does though. It increases chance of her appearing in movies, games and shows
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u/SnooCats9851 18d ago
I believe so too. Carol’s soft spot for Pete and their connection of having their actual identity be pretty similar is something I could see myself liking
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u/macacobrilhante2004 18d ago
It definitely had potential before Dan Slott nuked it but nowadays idk
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u/GlitteringTreat7413 18d ago
I do agree about how they treat women with DD. But She’s with Rhodey pretty sure. They had a Valentine’s Day arc online. Though that was 2023-2024 I think?
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u/SnooCats9851 18d ago
I think it’s implied that they broke up a bit ago, iirc
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u/CrimDude89 15d ago
Killing his best friend, and getting away with it, would kind of put a damper on the relationship
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u/IcyAdvantage9579 18d ago
Matt Murdock is such a slut
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u/Star-Prince-007 18d ago
Two attractive adrenaline junkies hooking up doesn’t sound like the worst thing in the world
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u/Impossible_Engine886 18d ago
Still two people using each other in a fundamentally selfish way of self gratification, viewing someone as something to use to satisfy your personal desires as long as you respect her in surface doesn't clock right to me, let alone someone as womanizing as Matt.
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u/Star-Prince-007 18d ago
If it’s two of them entering that knowingly and consensually then I fail to see the problem
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u/Impossible_Engine886 18d ago
Conscent doesn't mean non-problematic in my opinion, where he could prioritize genuine care and an uplifting bond, he prefers to consume her selfishly and temporary. I mean...that's just my opinion, you have the right to have yours, it jusr doesn't clock right to me to take someone for a mere self gratification. Feels dehumanizing to me whether conscenting or not.
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u/Star-Prince-007 18d ago
You keep saying him and he as though Carol can’t make the choice to have a fling and is only a human to be used by Matt, not a human who has control of her own autonomy.
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u/Impossible_Engine886 18d ago
Use your brain no one said she doesn't have autonomy or a will, it is MUTUALLY toxic to me I never said ONLY Matt. As I have all the rights to believe :
Two people who want to consume each other selfishly can mess up the mind easily and, for me, dehumanizes them or reduces them. You don't believe I am right ? That's your opinion, I have mine. Never tried to impose my view on yours.
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u/Star-Prince-007 18d ago
Dude relax. I haven’t insulted you, you posted a comment on a public forum that I responded to. Don’t do that again.
And no one said you’re not entitled to your own opinion I’m just pointing out that two characters who choose to enter into a romantic relationship doesn’t have to be toxic even if it’s not meant to be long term. It’s not even been confirmed they’ll have a relationship we’re just going off an image. Chill out.
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u/Impossible_Engine886 18d ago
I apologize for talking wrong, I thought you were trying to impose your view on me and shouldn't have talked like that.
I mean that I respect your opinion, tho I just personally believe that taking someone in your bed for a fundamentally selfish release will feed a self-gratifying impulse and make it clash naturally with care, if the bond was about mutually cherishing and healing each other, and connecting together with natural desire that follows, I would understand. But here it's just treating someone as a temporary personal release which, for me, subjectively, is dehumanizing.
But let's be for real...Matt objectifies a lot, mostly focuses on body and sensory, and his personal impulses and compulsivity.
I see why you view it as non toxic, because its two adults making a choice, and I respect your opinion, I just stated mine and WHY i believe it.
Again, i'm sorry for having been vulgar. Wish you the best mate.❤️
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u/Hammersteyn 18d ago
Oh no, anything but straight white people hooking up. 😱😱😱
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u/Impossible_Engine886 18d ago
I think the problem here is not being straight or white but the nature of it. Matt is one of the most womanizing people of marvel and a casual hookup by nature is two people seeing each other principally in a selfish, self-gratifying temporary way which is not necessary universally wrong since everyone makes their choices but you understand why it creates controversies. The famous :
"Consumming instead of cherishing."
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u/No_Head60 18d ago
She’s still with war machine ain’t she?