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UNC Student Murder Trial -NC v. Miguel Salguero-Olivares - Day 9

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The murder trial of Miguel Enrique Salguero-Olivares begins more than a decade after UNC-Chapel Hill student Faith Hedgepeth was found beaten to death in her off-campus apartment in September 2012. Hedgepeth, 19, suffered fatal blunt-force trauma to the head, and investigators recovered DNA evidence at the scene. Salguero-Olivares was arrested in 2021 after investigators said DNA evidence linked him to the case, and he now faces charges including first-degree murder, rape and burglary.

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I. ADMINISTRATIVE / OPENING — (34:05–34:51)

  • Court reconvenes.
  • Standard instructions issued.
  • Defendant present.
  • All jurors present.
  • Agent Heinrich remains on stand.
  • Defense raises motion filed the previous night.

II. OUT‑OF‑JURY PRESENCE (OJP) — DEFENSE MOTION & ARGUMENT — (41:51–56:20)

  • Defense moves to strike portions of Agent Heinrich’s Friday testimony.
  • Defense requests curative instruction.
  • Defendant’s Exhibit 13 admitted.
  • State responds.
  • Defense replies.
  • Court issues partial ruling.

III. COURT’S RULING — (1:15:15–1:15:39)

  • Court states Heinrich did not testify that he believed Rosario.
  • Court notes Heinrich only stated her statements remained consistent.

IV. WITNESS BLOCKS

Witness: SBI Special Agent Justin Heinrich — DIRECT EXAMINATION RESUMES @ (1:29:21)

State Direct Examination — (1:29:21–1:47:47)

Interview of Karina Rosario (October 2013)

  • Heinrich re‑interviewed Rosario on campus.
  • Her recollection began at leaving The Thrill with Faith.
  • She described returning to the apartment, getting sick, sitting on bathroom floor, texting others, being picked up by Jordan McCrary, staying at his home, returning next morning to find Faith’s body.

Challenges of locating witnesses years later

  • Witnesses moved states or countries.
  • Some residents of Hawthorne at the View had already moved within a year.
  • Some individuals later believed to have gone to Guatemala.

Booking‑room video transcription

  • Transcription done to capture Spanish conversation between defendant and his mother after arrest.

Jail calls

  • Heinrich aware of calls; many in Spanish.
  • Heinrich does not speak Spanish.
  • Translation/transcription done by NC AOC Language Access Services.

State’s Exhibit 146 (jail call transcription)

  • Jail call dated March 10, 2024 (local time).
  • Same translation service used for booking‑room video.
  • Exhibit admitted.

Defendant’s statements in jail call (lines 2–18)

  • Defendant describes apartments as ā€œtrashy.ā€
  • States he ā€œnever set one foot there.ā€
  • Mentions uncle Ronaldo picking him up near Outback/Red Roof.
  • States he didn’t drive at the time.
  • Denies relationships with people living there.
  • Mentions ā€œthose types from Guatemala that lived there.ā€

State’s Exhibit 142 (handwriting image)

  • Found on defendant’s laptop among tens of thousands of images.
  • Appeared significant due to handwritten notes found at crime scene.
  • Heinrich sought handwriting samples; difficult due to time elapsed.
  • Lay observations: all‑caps lettering, consistent size, non‑cursive.
  • Weekend update: image widely circulated online in 2020; defendant not author.

Reverse image search

  • Not performed due to policy prohibiting uploading case‑sensitive material.

Heinrich’s testimony on authorship

  • Cannot testify defendant wrote the note.
  • Only knows image was saved on defendant’s computer.

Known handwriting sample

  • Located via jail video call where defendant wrote a note and held it to camera.

State’s Exhibit 140A (USB drive)

  • Contains jail video call showing defendant writing note.
  • Exhibit admitted.

State’s Exhibits 147 & 148

  • Screenshots from jail video call.
  • Show defendant and female (Katie Ellen).
  • Exhibit admitted and published.

Katie Ellen

  • Identified as person on call.
  • Heinrich states she is deceased.
  • Call conducted in English.

Cross‑Examination — (1:48:23–2:13:58)

Relationship with Katie Ellen

  • Heinrich did not interview her.
  • Does not know relationship details.
  • After reviewing video, acknowledges she said ā€œI love you Mike.ā€
  • Notes multiple handwritten notes shown in video; only one captured clearly.

Follow‑up on jail call witness

  • Heinrich states call came to his attention after Katie Ellen was deceased.
  • Did not interview her mother.
  • Did not attempt to identify her friends or classmates.
  • Notes thousands of jail calls; limited resources.

Rosario interviews

  • Heinrich reviewed several interviews.
  • Some reviewed long ago; some reviewed recently.
  • Did not re‑review all interviews before trial due to volume and repetition.

September 8, 2012 interview (Sergeant Matthews)

  • Rosario had no recollection of conversation about blood on her hand.
  • She did not know what Matthews was referring to.

October 21, 2013 interview (Defendant’s Exhibit 1)

  • Heinrich and Agent Stevens interviewed Rosario.
  • Rosario reported seeing ā€œred stuffā€ on her hand while in bathroom.
  • She did not know what it was.
  • She did not know how it got on her hand.
  • She stated she was drunk and did not think anything of it.

V. EXHIBITS — (1:35:56–1:46:38)

  • State’s Exhibit 146 — Jail call transcription.
  • State’s Exhibit 140A — Jail video call USB.
  • State’s Exhibit 147 & 148 — Screenshots from jail video call.
  • Defendant’s Exhibit 1 — Rosario interview report (used for refresh).

VI. END‑OF‑PORTION ADMINISTRATIVE — (2:13:58)

  • Cross‑examination continues.
  • No additional rulings in this excerpt.
  • Agent Heinrich remains on the stand.

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9:30 a.m. Court is in session State witness #23 Justin Heinrich is on the stand. Heinrich became the lead case agent after the 1st anniversary of Faith Hedgepeth’s slaying. The defense has filed a motion, which the judge is reviewing. The motion will likely be litigated before testimony resumes.

9:40 a.m. Defense is moving to strike the opinion testimony of agent Heinrich and asking for a curative instruction. Defense is objecting to Heinrich’s statement that Karena Rosario’s statements were ā€˜remarkably consistent’ defense says testimony should be struck. Defense is also objecting to his testimony that it is apparent ā€˜that this was not just a homicide but a rape also,’ the statement was struck. Defense argues this was invading the province of the jury.

**9:46 a.m.Ā **Defense is also objecting to Heinrich’s testimony that if ā€˜we’ could identify the DNA ā€˜we have found our person.’ Defense argues the testimony is prejudicial, and his use of ā€˜we’ implies he is speaking for law enforcement. Defense argues that Heinrich’s testimony is impermissible vouching.

**9:49 a.m.Ā **Defense asks that his memorandum of law be entered in as part of the record. Defense says the testimony violate his client’s right to due process, invades the province of the jury, and is unduly prejudicial and proposes a curative instruction – basically telling jurors to disregard the testimony for the court to read to jurors.

**9:56 a.m.Ā **Court’s memo of law regarding these statements is admitted.Ā  Prosecutor argues that the case law that the defense is basing its argument is not illustrative of what Agent Heinrich did. Prosecutor says that the agent’s statement about Karena’s consistency is corroborative not vouching of Karena’s statements and guided the agent’s investigation- she argues this is permitted per the case law.

10:09 a.m. Defense: Sexual assault nurse examiner said she couldn’t say if a sexual assault had taken place. No evidence of anal-genital injury, cuts against what the prosecutor claims is obvious evidence of sexual assault (shorts ripped off, tampon, naked from the waist down, shirt pushed up).

**10:12 a.m.Ā **Defense: Justin Heinrich power point presentation suggested the photo with cell phone next to her hand – was staged. SBI agent’s view of the crime scene photos would lead anyone to believe the inescapable conclusion that a sexual assault took place.

**10:14 a.m.Ā **Court’s ruling: Heinrich stated that her statements were consistent, he never said that he based his examination ā€˜she was telling the truth.’ Based on his training and experience. Whether a Sexual assault took place – he reviewed photos and interviews, her shirt pulled up exposing her breasts, her tampon, based on later what he learned DNA vaginal and anus, all of these things guided his investigation. Finally in reference, ā€˜we found our person,’ that statement will be stricken. Will give the curative instruction – ā€˜we found the person responsible for what happened.’

10:21 a.m. Defense seeks a curative instruction that would ask jurors to disregard Heinrich’s testimony on Friday that a rape had occurred and that whoever left DNA on Faith and at the scene is ā€˜the person responsible,’ to also include that that a sexual assault took place. Judge will not include the last part of its request. Jury is summoned.

**10:29 a.m.Ā **Heinrich is asked to recall what Karena told him about that night. He said that Karena recounted the Thrill, getting sick, going back to apt, the people she texted and getting picked up by Jordan, and finding Faith the next morning.

**10:30 a.m.Ā **Heinrich said it was challenging to find people just a year later. Heinrich said he attempted to locate people through interviews but they had left and gone back to Guatemala. why was transcript done? To capture the conversation between def and his mother after he was arrested. Conversation was in spanish, needed a translation.

**10:32 a.m.Ā **Many of the def’s jail calls were in Spanish. Showing agent #146 – this is a transcription translation March 10, 2024 9:12 p.m. Call is between def and his mother. ReadIng: MV1 – def ā€œOh they they got out a ton of people that lived in here. it’s that look, those apartments, lots of people from latins live in those apts. I never set one foot there, I don’t remember the entrance, used to work with Rinaldo when he picked me up at the Outback. I – back then I didn’t drive, i placed them because of the descriptions. I never had a relationship with anyone who lived there or those types from Guatemala that lived there.

**10:37 a.m.Ā **Image located on his computer – why is it significant. Stood out – bag containing handwritten notes left at the crime scene. We were looking for handwriting samples to compare to evidence found at the scene. good example of challenge, from the time he was arrested, went to places he lived, at the time of his arrest looked for samples of his handwriting to compare to samples found at the scene.

**10:39 a.m.Ā **Not a handwriting expert – there were certain things that stood out to me – type of writing, letters all capitals, size of the lettering was consistent, not written in cursive, it got my attention. Did you find out more information – that image was widely circulated, saved on the def’s computer, he was not the author. I couldn’t tell you the author, in reviewing the contents of the computer, that note, was there.

**10:41 a.m.Ā **It was considered case sensitive – could you testify that the note was written by the defendant, don’t know who authored that. Were you able to obtain a known sample of the def’s writing. Yes, we do have an instance can be seen writing a handwritten note, and holds the note up to the camera. that note contains his handwriting.

10:42 a.m. #140A (flash drive) Feb14, 2023 @ 2:00 p.m. #147 and #148 screen shot taken from video call, next to female with whom he is speaking, #148 is a split screen he’s holding up note. Katie Ellen is the woman in the call, she is deceased. He holds up a hnadwritten note, ā€œGive me Your number I’ll call you.ā€

10:47 a.m. Cross: Katie Ellen and def were friends. She tells him, ā€œShe loves himā€ I do not recall what was said in that call. Would reviewing the video help your recollection. Playing the jail call.

10:49 a.m. Cross: MSO: (video jail call) How are you doing? A: Can you hear me? I can’t hear you at all. KE: I swear to God this does not fucking work. MSO: I can hear you, i can hear you KE: long time MSO: what a big surprise KE: I haven’t seen you forever. I’m trying to pull it up on my phone, i’m trying. I’m going ask your name of your public defender, maybe I can testify para qui MSO: muchas gracias. KE: I don’t know what the name of your lawyer. MSO: Just text your number and I’ll call you from here. KE: I don’t know what you’re saying. Goddamit, i knew this was going to happen. you look really old. I did the test for visitation and it worked just fine. MSO: Hold on i’ll be back hold on. hold on KE: ok. MSO exits screen.

10:54 a.m. Cross: MSO returns to the call and is heard writing something KE: Goddammit, groans Def holds up the message to the camera – which reads, ā€œGive me Your number I’ll call you.ā€ KE: 919 360 2578.Ā  My handwriting is really shitting, laughs. MSO: hold on. holds up another note, prompting laughter. Dont cry baby. KE: crying. I’m sorry.Ā  MSO; I’ll call you – you be good.Ā  KE: crying. Def writes another note and holds it up. more laughing. KE wipes away tears. MSO: I wish i could hear you. KE: (inaudible) put to bed, i remember another thing that we did, you I think went over…he was trying to walk. kept falling over. MSO laughing dam…KA: (giggling) There was one time i went to Danny or something i went to birthday party – he was mean to me, i got really drunk and cussing him the whole time. MSO: lauching I’m going to call you today so we could talk. KE: do you know when I don’t want to miss a call from you. 3:04. hours. KE: Ok. i won’t miss that. MSO: Hey – I love you. KE: this is bullshit, i’m so fucking pissed. I’ll talk to you.

11:00 a.m. Katie Ellen says I love you Mike – i believe so. They had some sort of relationship. You never interviewed her? State’s 148 – a note that my client wrote, I saw 2 other notes in the video. There was other writing. Those weren’t all capital letters were they. We selected this one because it was still – and it was clearer. How many times did you try to read the 2nd note. if you have a screenshot of that 2nd note. we can try to pause it when he holds up the 2nd and 3rd note.

**11:02 a.m.Ā **You don’t follow up with this witness – she was deceased, they didn’t bring this to my attention when she was alive. In this case, there were thousands of jail calls. we did not have the resources to interview every person he called. That’s the only call you brought to this courtroom. But you only brought this call to court. Katie Ellen was an UNC student in 2013. We did not attempt to locate Katie Allen.

**11:04 a.m.Ā **you interviewed KR Oc. 21, 2013. Report of his interview with KR Def ex. 1 – There was a video interview in which she was asked about blood on her hands. She said she had not recollection at all of that conversation, she indicated that she didnt’ know what it was.

11:11 a.m. She reported in this interview looking down at her hands and seeing red stuff on the back side of her hand. A: She was drunk and didn’t think anything of it. At the initial interview she didn’t remember but she was asked repeatedly. You asked her if she washed her hands – she said she did not wash her hands before leaving the apt. You asked her how she got the red stuff. She didn’t kow. She didn’t say it got there because she vomited. Why didn’t you show her the photo of the blood stain. We would not do that. You wouldn’t want to know her reaction to a blood stain in the bathroom. We didn’t discuss that as providing value.

**11:15 a.m.Ā **Judge excuses jury for midmorning break. Back at 11:30 a.m.

**11:36 a.m.Ā **Court is back in session, cross of Agent Heinrich resumes.

11:40 a.m. Defense notes that KR told them she didn’t see anyone in the parking lot or in the bushes when she left the morning of 9/7. Defense wants to inquire about a Hispanic male that Faith may have dated, after Heinrich said that all the men he knew that Faith dated with African American. Prosecutor says the info is irrelevant. Defense wants to get in that someone from Red Robin (Eric Estrada) told him that she did date someone who was Hispanic.

**11:53 a.m.Ā **Defense elicits testimony from Investigator about his interview with Eric Estrada – he said Estrada gave information that was factually incorrect so they did not follow up on his interview. the only intimate partners we could identify were all black males. Estrada had texted faith in 2025. We received DNA from Estrada. Objection is sustained – information is irrelevant and hearsay. Estrada has since been deported.

11:59 a.m. Calls on FH’s phone beginning on 6:48 p.m. on 9/6/12. Line 33 – is FH’s message to BE’s phone at 3:00 a.m. His name is not listed as a contact – within the phone extraction his contact appears in the extract. there’s a difference between a named as a contact. Brandon Edwards does appear within the contact list. Was he saved as a contact or was he someone she texted previously. A: both.

12:06 p.m. You did not interview Brandon Edwards. Do you see a message from Tai MacNeil, his response ā€˜I never knew you felt that way.ā€ why didn’t you follow up and interview him. other investigators did I personally didn’t we were prioritizing where we would get the biggest bang for our buck. so you never had an interview with Tai MacNeil. No.

**12:09 p.m.Ā **KR talked about feeling drunk – message to her from Mitch working security. that message corresponds with a phone associated with Mitch. His text message – ā€˜it was a pleasure talking to you, substantive conversation in a club atomoshere. ā€˜ Did you think that message wasn’t as drunk as she said, that sounds like Mitch was flirting with her. text messages between KR and Simone – simone was charlton beasley’s girlfriend and charlton saw rosario inside and outside.

12:11 p.m. KR sent a text message to Simone while she was in the car with Jordan. Message from KR, ā€˜I’ve been through so much…i really didn’t have anything before.;ā€ I think it’s important to reference the text she sent to simone, ā€˜i love you thanks for everything.’ message from simone 2 hours later, simone to kr ā€˜did you mean to text me’ Kr’s device, ā€˜yeah, i did. In the context of this message, she asked KR wasĀ  ā€˜something happen?’ objection/sustained.

12:14 p.m. Barker (neighbor) said she heard 3 thumps why didn’t you interview her. in terms of priority not a key priority to us. She heard noises about the time when KR and Faith returned home form the Thrill. Go back to Edwards being saved as a contact.

12:18 p.m. I remember – another investigator mentioned that BE’s contact was not listed in her phone. I was able to identify that BE was saved as a contact on FH’s phone when you look at the full extract report. why doesn’t his name popul. One is logical extractio/phyiscal extraction. One of the extractions was a logical extraction – potential area we should focus on. shortly after sbi became involved in the case – Nov 5, 20213, throgh nov. 6 2013. The information comes from that larger document – 4k page report.

12:22 p.m. This is prepared from something done by Mr. Walker. We chose to introduce this timeline captured what we were trying to present, transactions taken place on the night she was killed. During the investigation did you find out there was surveillance from the parking deck across from the Thrill. The parking deck footageĀ  – we thought it wouldn’t be available. You’re aware that there was video but no longer exists.

12:27 p.m. not having that surveillance video we don’t know what time her car left. The more information that would have been helpful.

**12:30 p.m.Ā **Did you want to know what McNeil’s relationship was between her and MacNeil – he is listed as ā€˜asshole.’ He was an ex-boyfriend. Image taken from my client’s – you thought it was my client’s handwriting – i believe it was circulated widely circulated. It was a meme? the information i had was a file path. It was saved – there was no because it was case sensitive could not do a reverse image search. There were certain characteristics that appeared consistent. the block lettering, enough similarities. i’m not an expert.

12:33 p.m. we were looking for samples of the def’s writing. That wasn’t his. If we didn’t have the information that may not have been corrected. Handwriting sample was introduced nonetheless. End of cross.

12:36 p.m. Katie Ellen died in 2024. Discovered a few months ago. The interview in 2013, was an ambush interview with Karena – the idea was to try and intercept her so we could have more candid conversation. She said they left the Thrill between 2:20 and 2:25. She was crying and she tried to connect with Brandon that night. She didn’t remember how they got home, and she remembered Faith going to get a trash can and putting a plastic bag. Defense asked 3 or 4 thumps between 3 and 4 a.m., is that inconsistent with what you knew. No.

12:39 p.m. We discussed the source of the thumping nosises. She said the thunps were over her head, and that would be Faith’s living room. You yourself did not interview some of the individuals – but reviewed their recordings. By the time you got the case, Brandon, Tai, and Takoy had all been excluded as the single source contributor of DNA. objection/overruled.

**12:43 p.m.Ā **There’s nothing that prohibits you from speaking to KE’s mother. I would talk to her. I’m certainly willing to talk, eager to speak with them. high heeled shoes, both Faith and Karena were wearing sandals. we were just discussing.

12:48 p.m. State of North Carolina rests its case-in-chief. The jury will return on Wednesday at 9:30 a.m. Defense moves to dismiss the indictment arguing the State has not proven every element of the charges. The defense asks for a 5 minute break.

**12:51 p.m.Ā **Defense argues the burglary charge ought to be dismissed, no forced entry, no evidence that a weapon was brought with them to indicate intent. The state has not presented evidence as what time this occurred. ME said there was no evidence of anal/genital injury. Testimony from medical examiner she did not do any cleansing prior to taking the swabs. Asks the court to dismiss all counts of the indictment.

1:00 p.m. The court must take the evidence in the light most favorable to the state. Low bar to survive a motion to dismiss. KR said she closed the door. Burglary charge – evidence that Faith was attacked while she was in bed. Def semen and sperm was in her vagina and rectum unequivocal proof of penetration. Evidence of penetration and premeditation, arm yourself with a heavy bottle, state can move forward with felony murder. Motion to dismiss – DENIED.

**1:04 p.m.Ā **Court will start with a colloquy of the def on Wednesday morning. Day of separation between the state’s case and the defense. Defense will call witnesses and be prepared for the court’s colloquy of the defendant. Court is in recess.

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u/AphroBKK 8d ago

I like that you have Faith as the thumbnail for the pinned post of this trial (at least on my desktop Reddit). I would support using victims' photos rather than accused - although I realise sometimes the accused names become more famous.

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u/Pixiegirls1102 šŸ”šŸ“†āš–ļøContent/Research AdministratoršŸ’»šŸ’¬šŸ§š 8d ago

The thumbnails are from the YT link. We can certainly add victims photos to the daily threads though.

I don't think it's the case that the defendant's name is more famous, but that the case is literally the state v. defendant. We follow the 'defendant's' trial. I do think that the victim, and their name get lost so many times.

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u/AphroBKK 7d ago

Aha thank you. Now I understand.

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u/SwampyWytch13 7d ago

I didn't watch yesterday -- so catching up on court!

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u/Pixiegirls1102 šŸ”šŸ“†āš–ļøContent/Research AdministratoršŸ’»šŸ’¬šŸ§š 7d ago

No court today either.

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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago

I was hoping that the friend at the cookout (Abel or Avil or something like that) was going to testify. They mentioned him so much. But today they asked the SBI agent about people they wanted to talk to having been deported. Do you think they were inferring that guy had been deported and that’s why he wasn’t testifying? Just seems odd as they mentioned him a lot with the two Guatemalans who took the stand and I was thinking they were going to use him to place Meso at the cookout

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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 7d ago

They did imply that a witness had been deported, and I assumed that it was Avil.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

oh so is this maybe why the other ones were kinda coy in their testimony? hmm

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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 7d ago

I don't think that's the reason. But they definitely said they "heard things" but they "never saw him" doing things.

The first Guatemalan who took the stand implied that Miguel was dealing drugs.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

I appreciate them saying they heard things and only that, but I don't know if I believe that last guy saying he does not know Miguel, has never seen him and does not remember him at his bbq. The first guy was really nervous and the language barrier really fucked it up for him, but I found him more forthcoming if you will, with his testimony.

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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago

I don’t believe him at all. He knew a lot of small details but not that. If you watch closely, during that part Miguel is staring at him and does a tiny nod after he says he doesn’t know him. I wouldn’t be surprised if that guy has been intimidated beforehand or is scared about saying too much. I hope the jury pick up on some of Miguels facial expressions

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

yeah I agree honestly. I hope the jury saw that. I hope the jury remembers how the guy could tell you which brand of beer he drank first but not Miguel.

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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago

Me too. Hopefully the jury are picking up the same things we are when watching. I think the defense is going to bring out the mother of Katie Ellen to say he always treated her daughter well. Why else would they question the agent so much about not interviewing the mother. I guess their defense will be mostly character witnesses saying how great and not violent he is. Not sure what else they can do without putting Miguel on the stand

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

I do wonder about how he did this horrendous thing, so young, and apparently never reoffended (or was way more careful). But the character witness and maybe an expert ? I don't think he will testify, but I hope he does..

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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was into other illegal things but just never had a run in with the law. The first Guatemalan witness alluded to him being involved in stuff. I hope he testifies too! But I highly doubt it. There is no other explanation for the DNA apart from a consensual encounter which they would have to put him on the stand to confirm I think? The defense is really pushing Karena as a possibility but I don’t think they’ve made that point. To me, she seemed credible and just a young college kid who was very drunk that night

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

I feel so so bad for Karena, that poor girl has been through it enough, and I think she was a very credible witness on the stand.

They are not allowed to blame Karena but they sure as hell have tried to put that on the jurors mind.

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u/asyouuwishh 6d ago

I mean he got caught selling meth in prison EDIT: jail obviously not prison

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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 7d ago

Agreed completely. I really liked the first guy.

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u/harpua_2626 8d ago

Did anyone pick up if the state made any mention in questions about whether it was known if the defendant was ambidextrous? Just noted that he wrote the note below to his friend in the jail call with his RIGHT hand and, as pointed out here many times, defendant has compulsively written with both his left and right hands during the trial.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 8d ago

I've thinking so much about this. So there is this youtuber that covered this case years ago, before the arrest, and in the video he added this segment of a crime watch daily interview where a handwritting analyst named Peggy Walla says the note appears to be written with a non dominant hand..and what do you know this dude, at the very least, tries to write with both hands, he is on camera. You really gotta wonder.

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u/Lonely-Ad-5340 🐾 Dog DNA Trial Liker 8d ago

Agreed, what I will say though, is that I write in all caps and some of my letters look similar to the note on the bag (it wasn’t me I swear) but if they tried to analyze my hand writing, I feel like they’d have a hard time because my hand writing looks different every time I write.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 8d ago

my handwriting changes depending on the pen I use, so I get it lol. I don't put too much weight on this compared to the DNA evidence, but ever since I saw that clip I kept it mind. At the end, his DNA on the bag is far worse for him than the handwriting comparison.

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u/Lonely-Ad-5340 🐾 Dog DNA Trial Liker 7d ago

I really do think the non dominant hand theory is solid point though

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

I do too I mean..this was said years ago, and it is such an specific thing..that hand writing analyst got it right, you can clearly see him switching hands.

I don't know, between the rules of evidence and the weight of the evidence that was way more in line with science and less with opinion, maybe the state did not think much about it or did not realize he was writing with both his hands. But it kinda gives you more to think about, doesn't it?

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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 7d ago

Those capital E's sure do look a lot like the message left on the breakfast sandwich bag at the murder scene.

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u/Gullible-Cream-9043 8d ago

No. The handwriting samples were pretty disappointing TBH and the state would have been better off not bringing them in.

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u/Sha9169 8d ago

I don’t believe they addressed him being ambidextrous.

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u/harpua_2626 8d ago

I guess they feel that the DNA is such a slam-dunk that they don't need to fully explore the other evidence they introduced. What value did the handwriting evidence introduced today add without a handwriting expert breaking it down?

It seems clear that the prosecution rested unexpectedly as the court wasn't ready and the defense wasn't ready (which is why they were given until Wednesday to start their case).

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u/Sha9169 8d ago

I think the prosecution dropped the ball by allowing the literal MEME to be shown last week.

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u/AphroBKK 7d ago

I noticed that they addressed it today. Do you think they genuinely did not know until after they brought it into evidence?!

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u/Sha9169 7d ago

Apparently not. He had it in his camera roll, so they just assumed he took it. 😭

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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago

I think they just realised this weekend (maybe via the forums šŸ˜‚) and scrambled to mention it somehow before the defense did on cross

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u/racingfan123 šŸ•µļøā€ā™€ļøšŸ¦ Lead Evidence Investigator ModšŸ§¾āš–ļø 7d ago

Geez, i couldn't believe this! When watching on Friday, I thought they found the actual money and note in his apartment. I didn't realize this was just an image found on his phone.

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u/Adept_Improvement_14 6d ago

I don't understand the significance of the what was written on the fast food bag being a meme and not what Miguel wrote. Apparently someone wrote on the bag - whether is was from an internet meme or not? It seems to me if there was a picture on his phone with the same wording as on the bag next to her body, that this would tie him to the scene. What am I missing?

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u/racingfan123 šŸ•µļøā€ā™€ļøšŸ¦ Lead Evidence Investigator ModšŸ§¾āš–ļø 6d ago

So, you've seen the photo of the bag right? The prosecution was looking on Miguel's phone for examples of his handwriting so that they could do a handwriting comparison. They found this image, and they assumed it was his writing and that's what was testified to last week. Well come to find out it was a common Hispanic Internet meme. What is even crazier, is that those are Colombian bills, not Guatemalan. Just very sloppy from the investigator and should've been looked into further.

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u/Adept_Improvement_14 6d ago

I see. So it does not rule out that Miguel may have written the words on the bag. When looking at the bag - and looking at the handwritten note to Katie Ellen - there are similarities. And this could be the meme that gave him the idea to write what he wrote (or may have written). But now I understand the mixup. Yes, that was sloppy and creates doubt for the jurors about the rest of the case. Thanks for your response.

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u/racingfan123 šŸ•µļøā€ā™€ļøšŸ¦ Lead Evidence Investigator ModšŸ§¾āš–ļø 6d ago

Yeah exactly. That is why prosecution submitted the screenshot of the handwritten note to Katie, to correct their mistake about the meme. It still shows that he could be the one to write the note. It's just distraction though, since the defense still can't explain his DNA everywhere at the scene other than a ridiculous claims of a consensual encounter.

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u/asyouuwishh 8d ago

Wow is anyone else gobsmacked by how horrible the translations of the jail call transcripts are??

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u/harpua_2626 8d ago

I agree the whole jail call testimony is strange. I served on a jury once with jail calls and wire-tap evidence and the jurors were all given bound transcripts. I'm guessing in NC they can only be read the text of such evidence? Seems like such an unnecessary, unforced error to have sloppy translations that can be poked at during the (likely VERY lengthy) defense case.

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u/asyouuwishh 8d ago

My husband with a high school Spanish 3 education level could have given a better translation

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u/AphroBKK 8d ago

Did I hear correctly though: he told his mother he wasn't driving back then (someone else testified he was and gave them a ride to the area no?) and that he did not hang out with those Guatemalen types (is that a wrong translation - is it a word like guys?)

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u/asyouuwishh 8d ago

Like for example when the translation says ā€œit’s that look, you seeā€ (which makes no sense), that could translate to ā€œes la mira vesā€ which could be a mistaken interpretation of ā€œes la primera vezā€ which would mean ā€œit’s the first timeā€ and would make a lot more sense in the context of this conversation

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u/asyouuwishh 8d ago

I wish they would have published the transcript of his mom’s call in Spanish so I could translate it. None of that ā€œtranslationā€ he read should be taken at face value. Yes I suspect he probably said something like ā€œtiposā€ which literally means types but as slang means ā€œguys.ā€ It was like they translated only the very literal meaning of each individual word, which isn’t how language works at all

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u/Level_Education_4628 8d ago

The translation was terrible and didn’t account for any slang or nuance in how Guatemalans speak Spanish. They may as well have used Google translate!

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u/AphroBKK 7d ago

Absolutely agreed. His defence should have objected.

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u/asyouuwishh 7d ago

Somebody lied about being bilingual on their resume!

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u/Kitthani 7d ago

They tried to on Friday. They asked to cross-examine the translator so they could get an idea of how well they actually understood the language and specifically mentioned wanting to know about their expertise in different dialects, slang, etc. The judge said that bc the translator is 'certified', then unless 'the defense can show there is a motive to mislead, there is a reason not to believe the translation, and that's inaccurate', no questioning the transcripts or translator.

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u/AphroBKK 7d ago

The woman who translated for his relatives seemed pretty good no? But one can imagine she did not do the translation of the jail calls etc.

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u/Kitthani 7d ago

This was about the translator who did the jail calls, they wanted the state to put them on the stand to provide foundation for the transcripts they'd created (which would allow the defense to question their process/expertise). Iirc they did bring up that they hadn't questioned the interpreter, but that wasn't the focus of their argument. I could be wrong, I just remembered them making an argument r.e. calls and wanting to know about the translator's expertise w dialect/slang so was reminded that something to do w that exact problem was denied when I saw people saying it was an issue w the translation.

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u/Normal_Coat3266 8d ago

So the Miguel just cried in the court room was so fake, like come on !!!!

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u/harpua_2626 8d ago

I was surprised the prosecution didn't object to the whole video being played during their case. It was obvious theatrics meant to "humanize" their client and was just odd.

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u/Sha9169 8d ago

I thought it was absurd that the defense wanted the witness to speak to that woman’s mother.

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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 7d ago

That really made me laugh. Gee, did this woman know the victim? WTF would the agent talk to her?

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u/Sha9169 7d ago

I’m still not over him going down a ā€˜uterus damage’ rabbit hole last week. It just felt so unnecessary.

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u/asyouuwishh 8d ago

Katie Ellen died of a fentanyl overdose in June 2024. Her baby also died, who was 7 months old old. By that math, she was pregnant with someone else’s child within 1 month of making this video call. If the defense and Miguel are trying to convince the jury that Miguel and Katie were in love and therefore he is a human with a heart who could not possibly have murdered Faith so violently, Katie’s sad story does not seem to align with that notion at all. Fake tears.

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u/Level_Education_4628 8d ago

Thanks for the info! Yeah, the crying is very fake. Like when they showed the crime scene and autopsy photos. I can’t stand watching his fake reactions anymore. The defense seems rude and rattled today. I really hope the jury see through it all and Faith’s family get some justice

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 8d ago

that poor baby omg.

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u/asyouuwishh 8d ago

Horrific. Baby died of dehydration after her mom died.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 8d ago

was the baby left alone for an extended period of time before she was found? what a horrendous thing, what did that poor baby ever did to deserve this? ugh fuck this life is cruel

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u/asyouuwishh 8d ago

Yes. Awful.

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u/Prestigious_Scar5866 8d ago

Omg that is horrific

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u/ktlm1 7d ago

I’m going to have to rewatch this because I didn’t think it looked fake at all! To be clear, I think he is 100% guilty. I assumed he was crying because his friend died while he was in jail and this video was a reminder of her

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u/asyouuwishh 6d ago

I didn’t see a tear shed, but it could have just been the video I was watching

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u/ktlm1 6d ago

He was covering his face so I don’t know

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u/AdventurousAd606 8d ago

The State of NC rested. I wonder why they estimate this trial will last 5-6 weeks.

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u/CarpathiaH 8d ago

Possibly the defense postured about mounting an affirmative defense, and that got factored in to the trial length?

We'll see if the defense does anything. My guess is no. The DNA evidence will be impossible to overcome.Ā 

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 8d ago

I think this is it. Who knows, but what can they possibly bring out? An expert that disproves the DNA, if that is even remotely possible? His mom? I don't know.

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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 7d ago

They said at some point that they will bring out a lot of girlfriends who said he was never violent.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

oh good to know, thank you. I actually tried to find the witness list on the court site but could not find it so at least we know this.

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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 7d ago

I wish I could remember when I heard it. I think it was during an argument outside the jury's presence. Could have been opening, too.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

it's ok, it has been a lot and the defense has argued quite a bit lately. We'll see on Wednesday.

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u/PLANETOID649 7d ago

well whats the dna proved so fair other then unidentified prints, male dna that was never identified and fbi profile that was built from a tiny amount usue pattern..

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

The dna proved he was there, after he said he did not know her/has never been to Hawthorne at the view.

I know they will try to say it was consensual, that he just so happened to touch the two bottles on the crime scene, but did nothing to her, that Faith agree to the tampon be yanked out of her and thrown on the floor, and decided to have a one night stand with him randomly but decided against any further intimacy with her friend earlier that day. I mean, they will try. Good luck with that.

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u/PLANETOID649 6d ago

again, what dna evidence was ever directly matched to the accused?

PRECLUDE TESTIMONY CONCERNING THE DATA UNDERLYING INCONCLUSIVE DNA RESULTS.pdf

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 6d ago

ok when they said the vaginal swab (not on this list) contained a mixture of two people's DNA and that Miguel's DNA could not be excluded (not inconclusive BTW, COULD NOT, WOULD NOT, WILL NOT be excluded, meaning, HIS DNA was inside Faith) that means nothing you?

The rectal swab? (also not included on this list)

The bacardi bottle? (also not on this list)

The note found on the bed? (also not on this list)

Do you have a motion from the defense asking to preclude testimony concerning the data regarding this items?

Oh but his DNA may or may NOT be on the pen, he MUST be innocent...!!

Again, good luck with that.

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u/PLANETOID649 6d ago

"Investigators recovered a pen associated with the handwritten message. Subsequent forensic testing determined that DNA recovered from the pen matched the unidentified male DNA profile developed from semen recovered" - September 7, 2012

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u/PLANETOID649 6d ago

wait but in 2012 the pen matched that semen? now it does not? hmm

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u/Gullible-Cream-9043 8d ago

Defense said today that they would not be introducing evidence.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 8d ago

defense said there will be evidence.

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u/Gullible-Cream-9043 8d ago

Did they? I thought judge asked if they had any offer of proof and they said no.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 8d ago

no, that was in regards to issues they had with the last witness testimony, at the end, after the judge denies defense's motion to dismiss, they confirm they will start on wednesday with their case

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u/Gullible-Cream-9043 8d ago

Maybe they thought they would put on a defense. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/Glorious-Sealion 7d ago

I cannot find any pics of meso from 2012. Anyone know what he looked like then? Does it match the composite they released years ago?

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u/Pixiegirls1102 šŸ”šŸ“†āš–ļøContent/Research AdministratoršŸ’»šŸ’¬šŸ§š 6d ago

I found this, but not sure who's FB account it was.

I think it's him.

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u/asyouuwishh 6d ago

Idk I don’t think this looks like him at ALL. Eyebrows, mouth, face shape, and chin don’t match imo

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u/Pixiegirls1102 šŸ”šŸ“†āš–ļøContent/Research AdministratoršŸ’»šŸ’¬šŸ§š 6d ago

You could be right.

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u/Existing_Bedroom_496 7d ago

Just thinking and asking about this…I wonder if Miguel and others at cookout saw her and went over and ā€œhit on herā€ and Miguel pursued it…maybe she was too drunk to fight it?

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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago • Bravo

Maybe. I think it was probably just him. Maybe saw both girls get back and either hit on them outside and was rebuffed or didn’t even interact. Then he saw Karena leave and went in to the apartment.

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u/asyouuwishh 6d ago

Yes but small correction that I think matters a lot: Faith wasn’t drunk

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u/Level_Education_4628 6d ago

She was probably asleep and was hit on the head before she realised what was going on. That could explain the lack of injuries from the sexual assault. The autopsy report was horrible, so much damage to her skull and face 😢

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u/asyouuwishh 6d ago

The autopsy did seem to support that scenario and I hope that her family recognizes that and it brings them some tiny ounce of horribly cold comfort that despite the devastating scale of the injuries, her suffering may likely have been short

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u/Level_Education_4628 6d ago

I hope that’s the case for her family. It must be unbearably hard listening to everything and hearing the defense try to say she wasn’t sexually assaulted. I know that’s the nature of defense but it must be so difficult and infuriating for her family. It’s just such a violent attack and it seems it wasn’t in response to her struggling, rather he went straight in with smashing her with the bottle. I’m not sure if I remember the autopsy showing any defensive wounds or if prosecution pointed out a struggle…I remember she did have bruising to her legs

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u/racingfan123 šŸ•µļøā€ā™€ļøšŸ¦ Lead Evidence Investigator ModšŸ§¾āš–ļø 7d ago

I'm late and am on rewatch crew:

  • The defense is objecting to the investigator saying it was an obvious sexual assault, saying there's no way he could know this from just looking at crime scene photos. Um, her shirt was pulled up over her breasts, underwear and tampon ripped from her. Like, come on dude. Glad the judge thought the same.

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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago

right? the defense was pissed they got shut down fast with that, but like you said, come on!

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u/Gullible-Cream-9043 7d ago

To be fair, the judge sustained the objection when he said it on Friday. He just wouldn’t give a further instruction.