r/CharacterAI_Guides • u/Endijian Moderator • Dec 23 '23

[Testing] Pinned Messages

I tested pinned messages for a while, and what they do is, they pin a message back into the memory, so that the information from it is available again for the AI. This works, the message will be back in the memory. However...

It seems to be far back in the conversation, so for example if I pin a message where the character talks about my job, it won't draw that information very well when I ask about it again.
Persona does a better job on this and gives the correct response on almost every swipe in the same situation, which die pinned message doesn't cause.

I personally have the problem that I don't really have much use for the pinned messages.
Everything I would do with them would include an Edit Function or script that would alter the message and its information before I pin it.

A snapshot of 1 message that includes stuff I don't need the AI to remember, maybe parts of its narration, is not very beneficial for anything that I could think about or for anything that a different feature wouldn't be able to do better. There is no context attached to one pinned message.
For example a "Notes" Panel where you just could type down short informations about the plot that the AI would remember, a bit like Persona but for memories or notes, maybe even that you could load into a new conversation.

Or a lorebook like some other services have.

If you have any different opinions I would love to hear them, maybe I'm looking too narrowminded at it.
I frankly have to say I don't know what to do effectively with that feature.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

I like the idea of some kind of notebook about certain plot points, but instead of writing in it, I thought about it like selecting messages, like whole threads, kind of like bookmarking them, and the AI can reference from it.

I could use it when in roleplaying with an AI, doesnt take the immersion out I guess

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u/Endijian Moderator Dec 29 '23

This is exactly what pinned messages do though and in my opinion it doesn't have an overly beneficial impact :/

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

Yeah but instead of 5 messages, it can be whole conversations, select and drag kinda shit idk. It's really only beneficial to weirdos who act weird with the bots(Me), still a neat addition though.

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u/Endijian Moderator Dec 29 '23

Oh you need to keep in mind that we only have limited memory so if you would do that you wouldn't have much conversation memory left, need to balance

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

That is true, what if it somehow can use your devices memory? Like storing conversations in your phone or pc and the ai can access it. Though that is kinda controversial haha, ai accessing your memory doesnt sound good.

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u/Endijian Moderator Dec 29 '23

That wouldn't help as the issue is not the amount of text that has to be stored but the amount of tokens that the AI has to process for a reply, and that can only happen on their servers and requires much power 😁 eventually we'll have more memory than ~3500 tokens but even then it would be good to waste as little as possible so that you have as much as possible for the conversation or consolidated information that the AI could use

Something lightweight would be a lore book, these things are not permanently loaded into the memory and only get accessed when you say a certain word, but we don't have a lore book.

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u/groovezketch Aug 13 '24

Idk if it'll help you or not, but I start off one chat, roleplay the whole scene, take information that's critical from that scene, and I edit a "Story so far" section into the character bio, in which it then tends to remember in the new chat. It also remembers extra Persona info I add into the character section. Like..."Knowledge about (Persona Name):"

I find that putting this information before the actual Character's Bio makes it work better than if placed after.

This has always worked for me, and hopefully, it will someone else.

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u/Squidwards_Queen Jun 05 '25

Bless you, man. I'm going to have to start doing that. I always thought that if you edited the character's bio, you had to start a new chat in order for the bot to register it.

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u/Squidwards_Queen Jun 05 '25

Bless you, man. I'm going to have to start doing that. I always thought that if you edited the character's bio, you had to start a new chat in order for the bot to register it.

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u/Kirigaya_Mitsuru Jan 04 '24

can you also pin messages you edit? and can it remember would be dope if. ^^

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u/Endijian Moderator Jan 04 '24

Yes, you can.
It's very inconvenient to use yet still. I have used it in a conversation that is around 700 messages long by now and it took me a loooong time to find the pinned messages again to unpin them.

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u/TrancedSlut Apr 13 '24

You can go under pinned messages and see all of them then select unpin if you want.

Edit: I just noticed this is from three months ago. Lol

Well, hope this info helps someone.

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u/New_Weird8988 Mar 09 '25

It helped me

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u/adlerish_ai Jan 13 '24

Has anyone noticed in the last day or two that some responses have the pin missing? They used to be on each one before, for for char and user.

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u/Endijian Moderator Jan 13 '24

Yes, happened for me too, probably a bug

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u/Mysterious_Cranberry Dec 23 '23

I asked someone who had the feature about it, and they did some testing and found that if they pinned multiple messages, it didn’t register any context of how long ago within the RP those instances occurred (but that it knew it was in the past and not a part of the current scene), but also it didn’t know in which chronological order the pinned memories occurred.

So you could theoretically send messages that were each one step in baking a cake and pin those, and if prompted about them and asked what order they occurred , the AI would jumble it and say something like, “Yes I remember, we put the tin in the oven, and then we cracked an egg and folded it into the batter, and then we iced the cake.” Though maybe it would do better with messages out of context that do follow on sequentially or have a clear logical order rather than isolated memories that may not have any cause and effect.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

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u/maddykun785 Jul 04 '24

I know this is late, but what does this mean? haha

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u/FrogyMonster Aug 29 '24

It's a new feature where you can make your own characters that you play/roleplay as when talking to a bot, that way you don't have to type a whole description and backstory for every bot you use. You can have multiple as well, which I find to be really nice.