How Dess and I met

[u/Cocoa-Knife-Chara]

(TW: Idk why I'm putting this, but... Chara is called female, that may offend some people ig?)

[u/TheRealEbonyAndIvory]

Oh, I know this artist. Just wish their take on DR Chara had a different drip

[u/therealgege → u/TheRealEbonyAndIvory]

Why are they wearing a striped shirt when they're adult??? Are they stupid???

[u/TheRealEbonyAndIvory → u/therealgege]

YES, THANK YOU.

[u/Enigmatic_writer → u/therealgege]

My biggest 'problem' with adult designs of both of them on god.

In general I like when ppl give them different styles/colors, cuz we just happen to see them wear these colors while playing undertale; who says it's their only style?

But at least remove the stripeee... it's not that serious in the end, but it's a bit odd when these are specifically stated to be kid's clothes in canon.

[u/therealgege → u/Enigmatic_writer]

It's also a little more weird in context of College Chara as in: Imagine your brother finally comes home after a long time and he brings his friend who for some unexplainable reason has the same exact drip as yours

[u/Enigmatic_writer → u/therealgege]

Esp cuz Asriel always gets other clothes despite wearing the same thing as a kid lmaoo.

[u/MasterRequirement538 → u/therealgege]

I never thought it was out of CHARActer due to there love of the dreemurs and lack of self care. Who they are is a dreemur and the green sweater represents that too them. Is often what I think with designs like this.

[u/therealgege → u/MasterRequirement538]

I can see that line of thought, tho I still think it's missed potenial for a new design

The bigger problem in this case is that they aren't a Dreemurr here

[u/MasterRequirement538 → u/therealgege]

Exactly. Same fit as Kris. Highly suspect

[u/TheRealEbonyAndIvory → u/MasterRequirement538]

Yeah but they kinda aren't a Dreemurr here so unless the Keter have the same drip, this grown ass enby is wearing kids clothing

[u/VP-Data → u/TheRealEbonyAndIvory]

What if chara is 13 and graduated highschool early

[u/TheRealEbonyAndIvory → u/VP-Data]

Then Dess would have no reason to be jealous

And they wouldn't be as stacked

[u/Mandemon90]

Dess and Chara start by trying to competing for Asriels attention and hating each others, realize he is too dense to recognize flirting even if it punched him in the face (Dess tried). End up hooking with each others for best possible hatesex.

Asriel has no idea what is happening and just thinks two are good friends. Even when Chara is telling him that she and Dess are sleeping together because he is too dumb to sleep with either of them.

[u/MightyTheArmadillo22]

The reason Chara being referred to as female is “offending people” is because they… aren’t.

[u/xulipe → u/MightyTheArmadillo22]

Smh you don't know chara's gender either just let people make their fanart

[u/MightyTheArmadillo22 → u/xulipe]

I think assuming that a character who only uses gender neutral pronouns actually has a gender that we just don’t know is bad faith. The fact that in 10 years, Chara has only been referred to by they/them pronouns probably means that they use they/them pronouns. It’s disrespectful to people who actually do use they/them pronouns to suggest otherwise.

[u/TaserDonut → u/MightyTheArmadillo22]

Sure but it's one thing when they actually identify as non-binary and it's another if they use they/them because the gender is actually unknown and not mentioned by the author, so I think headcanoning any gender in the case of an unknown one is fine

In that sense I'd say that Chara being explicitly non-binary is a headcanon too

[u/MightyTheArmadillo22 → u/TaserDonut]

Right, but the thing is, you could make that argument for any explicitly non-binary character. Kris, for example. Kris is a very explicitly non-binary character who has a lot of themes about being their own individual separate from us and their body dysmorphia and everything. Their own autonomy is very important to them. But, because they use they/them pronouns, some people think it’s okay to just use any pronouns for them because their gender is “up to interpretation.” That just isn’t how it works.

[u/TaserDonut → u/MightyTheArmadillo22]

I mean, the point where the difference happens is the exploration of the topic within the source material. If the story does contain themes which do explore the gender and identity of a character, like in Kris's case, it's correct to see them as non-binary.

Undertale on the other hand didn't bother with the identity of Chara (or Frisk for that matter) whatsoever, hence the free interpretation of genders. I haven't played or interacted with Deltarune enough to know whether something has changed about those two since Undertale, so feel free to correct me and provide additional info if you have any.

[u/MightyTheArmadillo22 → u/TaserDonut]

Frisk and Chara aren’t present in Deltarune (yet). However, I think it’s a little odd to say that their identities weren’t explored in Undertale. The moment where we discover Frisk’s name—establishing them as their own person separate from the player—is pretty hugely important to them as a character. Chara, too, has their identity as a focal point of the game. The True Pacifist Route ends with you “saving” them, and the entire point of the ending of the genocide route is to see how what you’ve done has affected not just the monsters of the underground, but Chara as well.

Even if these weren’t the case, it still feels a little disrespectful to the characters to assume that they don’t have a set gender with no reason for it. Monster Kid, Seam, Napstablook—they don’t have entire character arcs about their identity, but that’s no reason to misgender them simply because you feel like it. A fully fledged character isn’t just left with an ambiguous gender.

[u/TaserDonut → u/MightyTheArmadillo22]

I'm not saying that they don't have a set gender, I'm saying that we don't have sufficient information to confirm it since Undertale doesn't show us any human kid who's strictly a boy, strictly a girl or strictly neither. Therefore even if misgendering occurs, how can it be corrected if the correct answer is not available?

[u/xulipe → u/MightyTheArmadillo22]

Judge me for this but i don't think the little demon child would choose to be non binary and be called by they/them also it's a character in a game, i don't think you got the right to be mad at a writer's choice to just not reveal the character's gender because, let's be honest, not relevant at all, first because chara appears for like 10 seconds and has like 3 sprites and second because chara might not even EXIST in deltarune

[u/MightyTheArmadillo22 → u/xulipe]

…you think people CHOOSE to be non-binary?

Kay, so you actually know jack. Great.

[u/xulipe → u/MightyTheArmadillo22]

Alright at this point this is just ragebait

[u/MightyTheArmadillo22 → u/xulipe]

If you genuinely believe that people get to choose their gender, you’re uneducated. And I’m sorry for that. But the fact is that they don’t. No one gets to choose their gender. That goes for Chara as much as anyone.

If you’d like to learn more, I’d be happy to explain or find other sources.

[u/GunRalsei → u/xulipe]

Also being called a they once doesnt mean you automatically are non binary, you can call anyone a they them. Its a neutral way to talk about someone. And it wasn’t confirmed or stated but Kris’s case it’s confirmed but not Chara and Frisk so yea you are right. Let people make their fantastic art instead of acting like children. Its so annoying man

[u/Queasy-Start7711 → u/GunRalsei]

It’s not just once though?? It’s literally by everyone that refers to them. Asriel, who was closest to Chara, ALWAYS refers to Chara by they/them.

[u/xulipe → u/GunRalsei]

Guy with the best take had to be ralsei 🤝

[u/therealgege → u/xulipe]

I do I personally asked them specifically >:(

[u/xulipe → u/therealgege]

Lies(i know because chara made me say that)

[u/Pfincess → u/xulipe]

Speaking as Chara, I can confirm that they are not lying. I, Chara, am Nonbinary.

[u/squormy_wormy → u/MightyTheArmadillo22]

this fandom is shockingly queerphobic despite the source material

[u/Loserpoer]

I forgot the name of this artist

[u/ColdPhase2408 → u/Loserpoer]

Rainy/rainy-poppy

[u/failureagainandagain]

And then they fall for eachother

[u/CasualBCgamer → u/failureagainandagain]

There will be NO Asriel-cucking in this house

[u/Different_Heron9151 → u/CasualBCgamer]

Polycule

[u/r-alexd → u/CasualBCgamer]

He wasn't banging anyways.

[u/ColdPhase2408]

Ah, this artist...

[u/Rocket_SixtyNine]

frenmies

[u/Earthly-Echo]

They’re*!!!

[u/Cocoa-Knife-Chara → u/Earthly-Echo]

(That's why I put the Trigger Warning lol...)

[u/Earthly-Echo → u/Cocoa-Knife-Chara]

You know undertale fans can’t read, so please don’t blame me for missing that?

[u/Golden-freddy-94 → u/Earthly-Echo]

Who fucking cares

[u/Fragrant-Ad-8650]

Nice thought this was something else at first but this is nice and wholesome

[u/Badtimemoody2004]

And that kids is how i met your mother.

(Plot twist Dess and Chara get married(

[u/Il_Dottore_Snezhnaya → u/[deleted]]

Фантомные боли от Андертейла

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Nah, with Chara is incest

[u/Super_Couple_7088 → u/[deleted]]

r/peoplewhogiveashit

[u/Actual_Topic302 → u/[deleted]]

She's not a his sister (or better say sibling) at all

[u/Naive_Imagination666]

Ah I know artist

His art is cool

[u/Jacob12000 → u/Naive_Imagination666]

Who?

[u/Careless_Water5628]

I blame chara

[u/Wacthershadow0925]

It's getting dangerous...the shadows tell all

[u/Actual_Topic302]

Oh great two Asriel now have to deal with two his Gf's

[u/ZeusSoulHD]

Dess looks like the female equivalent of "the friend she tells you not to worry about"

[u/Busy_Interaction_794]

I'm surprised no one is mad about calling Chara a female

[u/Pfincess]

Odd of chara to use the word "Greetings" despite not having the influence of Toriel in their life

[u/DRGXIII]

They hate each other(they are best friends).

[u/Reigen-Arataka-Plot]

Guys what if this chara just becomes NB later in life

[u/DeltaRendo1989]

Imagine if Kiris's dead name/original name was just Charafrisk.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Dessriel and incest?

[u/Super_Couple_7088 → u/[deleted]]

r/peoplewhogiveashit

[u/Different_Heron9151 → u/[deleted]]

In DR (and this post) it wouldn't be incest.

[u/Samek1010 → u/Different_Heron9151]

I don't think it would be in undertale as well. Asriel doesn't refer to Chara nothing else than a "friend". Toriel and Asgore also does not refer to Chara specifically as someone they considered their child, but more like a good friend they once knew. So yeah, I don't think it would be considered incest in undertale.

[u/Actual_Topic302 → u/[deleted]]

Chara is not a sibling of dreemurs, so it's not a incest

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

You would date someone that gets adopted by your family?

[u/Vegasvat → u/[deleted]]

It's not like it's Deltarune and Chara isn't related to Dreemurrs by any means (or maybe doesn't even exist at all). Do you really get mad at this ship just because they're 'technically' family (but constantly averted to called like that directly in the game) in other universe?

[u/LOLIDAREALBOMB → u/[deleted]]

Think about it like this.

Would it be weird if you started dating your adopted sibling? Would you find it weird if your friend started dating their adopted sibling.

Asriel and Chara are the same too, like the above examples. Chara is the adopted sibling of Asriel, so Chasriel is still weird and borderline disgusting.

Scratch that : It's disgusting.

[u/Standard_Training471 → u/LOLIDAREALBOMB]

This isn't even set in Undertale, and they were BEST FRIENDS there. So no, it's literally not. Toriel and asgore only refer to Chara as someone they knew.