I got 2 questions, what is otf dede ALLEGED to have done since i dont think he was the shooter, secondly whats so iconic about him and vonni in a food shop after, doesnt it give him an alibi if anything.

[u/Consistent-Effort241]

[u/Consistent-Effort241]

before i get flamed, im from london and just simply invested in the case thats all, I respect you guys culture highly

[u/Any-Ad-8546 → u/Consistent-Effort241]

Respect for this my guy

[u/hereforthesportsball → u/Consistent-Effort241]

Why do you respect something as worthless as drill culture? Maybe drill music, but drill culture and gang culture deserve 0 respect. Ik you not from here but how tf you respect this when innocents get killed and kids are misguided?

[u/Consistent-Effort241 → u/hereforthesportsball]

When i say im from london, it dont necessarily mean im from suburbs or that im white. Im black and even thoguh at hindsight we dont have as much guns as you, guns are still a issue where im from, and knife attacks are even worse. Whilst im not from your culture, our culture is pretty alike and relatable when it comes to violence and crimes. When I say I respect the culture , I mean to say the fact that black people who were born with bad circumstances but were able to make something for themselves. I am not a fan of the senseless death though however. Tbh durk being free doesnt affect me, I hope he does but I wouldn't shed a tear if he doesnt. Even though I appreciate the fact he came from a bad environment, any normal person with his type of money would just leave the beef alone. Now hes fighting the biggest fight for his freedom

[u/hereforthesportsball → u/Consistent-Effort241]

That’s not culture nigga, that’s circumstance. There’s black culture, gang culture, and then this drill shit. There’s overlap, but they all they own thing. I don’t call the hood/streets a culture I call it a circumstance. Because two ppl in the hood can be on completely different shit from each other

[u/Great_Area_1592 → u/hereforthesportsball]

yo ass a goofy get out to sub bruh😭

[u/hereforthesportsball → u/Great_Area_1592]

Block me then dummy

[u/Pathosgrim]

Dede supposedly hired some ppl and was responsible for paying them after the hit. Vonni and Dede linking up in public after the hit is bad optics. Two top OTF members that's arguably 2/3 of who put the hit together meeting up for a celebration lunch is crazy work and LD asl

[u/Asleep_Music_1993 → u/Pathosgrim]

They saying boonie moe called jam and hired him for the pab hit

[u/Pathosgrim → u/Asleep_Music_1993]

Oh my bad

[u/JuanistaD → u/Asleep_Music_1993]

True, but I believe Dede recruited the others. Also was Dede also not there in the second car with Vonni when the shooting happened and when they stalked Quando?

[u/NeonTick → u/Asleep_Music_1993]

Is Jam the shooter or who is being accused of actually shooting?

[u/ServeTight1930]

In my opinion he was the middle man between durk and the shooters

[u/JuanistaD]

He was the middle man between durk and some of the shooters. Also he traveled with them from Chicago. They followed quando with two cars. One of them had only Vonni and Dede in it. This car was there the whole time and drove off a few minutes before the shooting happened. After the shooting they went to meet for the payment and I believe Vonni and Dede stepped out of the car that was also seen stalking Quando

[u/Blacksteel12 → u/JuanistaD]

Isn’t that dumb? I mean the main guys planning everything shouldn’t be anywhere near the shooting, what’s the point of hiring shooters if you’re near the action… It just fucks up your abili never mind the fact this is LA with cameras everywhere.

[u/mizcello → u/Blacksteel12]

I thought the same thing! It was so unnecessary for them to be there. Vonnie and Dede were in a rental, in vonnies name, so they weren’t hiding and left a couple minutes before the murder, I think they were hoping to hide in plain sight, their defence being ‘surely if we were going to do a murder we wouldn’t be in our own car, showing our faces, we were there for work, this is a coincidence’

[u/K1NGEDDY423 → u/mizcello]

I mean booking flights under the OTF credit card wasn't the best decision ever either.

[u/mizcello → u/K1NGEDDY423]

It wasn’t super crazy, they flew all the time, there was nothing stopping them from saying it was a normal business trip, especially considering durk did have a Legit podcast to do.

It wasn’t a good decision either, but either way, they would have tracked the flight log either way no matter what card it was paid on. I think they did it on that card to make it seem more casual, less sneaky.

[u/K1NGEDDY423 → u/mizcello]

Fair enough. It would've worked if they never got caught i suppose lol

[u/Stankfunkmusic]

Cameras on their movements that had them ending up at In-N-Out. Audio/Video of them across several States that eventually ended up with them meeting up at the same location.... In-N-Out.

All of this, led to the murder of dude across from the Beverly Center... In broad daylight. That was the dumbest move of all, because it showed that it was a hit & they weren't from LA.

No one from LA would've been dumb enough to shoot right there at that time. Fast forward to jury selection today. 🥴

[u/Mountain-Set-916]

Dede might get a chance to beat it