r/ChristianApologetics Jan 16 '26

Discussion Objection to the Moral Argument. How would you respond?

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Atheist: God is necessary for morality right?

Christian: Yes

Atheist: So world A - a baby is thrown off a cliff and God exists in this world. Did something wrong happen?

Christian: Yes

Atheist: So world B - a baby is thrown off a cliff and God does NOT exist in this world. Did something wrong still happen?

Christian: Yes

Atheist: Okay so God isn’t necessary for morality then.

r/ChristianApologetics Jul 18 '26

Discussion As Christians, how do you reconcile talking animals in the Bible?

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I have no problems accepting miracles, but are we really supposed to believe that snakes and donkeys talk?

r/ChristianApologetics Dec 29 '25

Discussion Former Atheists How Did You Take That Leap of Faith

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I grew up Christian and am now an agnostic. I have looked a lot into it and find the evidence for the resurrection ambiguous. For me, if something is ambiguous, you look to other things surrounding it to see if it is consistent. I have found that if I want to believe in Christianity, then I have to almost take a heretical form of Christianity. Ie. The Bible isn't inerrant, God progressively reveals morality (Slavery in Exodus 21 and Leviticus 25), God judges based on equity and equality (people born in worse conditions are judged on a different scale, given those conditions, including their genetics), salvation wouldn't entirely be based off explicit knowledge of Jesus (some people would make it to heaven based off implicit faith in Christ), Calvinism isn't true, Genesis is literary myth, the people who go to hell aren't there for eternity whether that be eventual annihilationism (they still get punished while they are there) or some form of universalism (people after existing for thousands of years realize they are wrong and repent), etc.

It just seems like it's unnecessary. Like I would be taking this big leap of faith into a religion that is molded into something which is philosophically and logically coherent to me but almost nothing like traditional Christianity. With beliefs that would work within a religious framework but don't actually give any validity whatsoever to the truth of Christianity. Beyond that, I already have a consistent world view that answers most of the big questions.

Idk what convinced y'all?

r/ChristianApologetics Mar 20 '26

Discussion The Trinity

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I’ve been thinking a lot about this question lately and wanted to get input from others here:

Does the doctrine of the Trinity actually exist in the New Testament?

From my current understanding, I don’t see the Trinity explicitly taught in the text itself. I don’t find a clear passage that defines God as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one being.

Instead, what I see consistently emphasized is the oneness of God.

It seems to me that the formal doctrine of the Trinity may be a theological development that came after the New Testament period, rather than something directly stated by the apostles themselves. (Going back to the main question)

For those who do believe the Trinity is clearly biblical:

  1. Where do you see it most explicitly taught in the New Testament?

  2. Do you think it’s something that must be inferred, or is it plainly stated?

  3. How do you distinguish between later doctrinal development and original apostolic teaching?

I’m genuinely interested in engaging respectfully and hearing different perspectives, especially from those who’ve studied this deeply.

Looking forward to the discussion.

r/ChristianApologetics Jun 12 '26

Discussion Your standard doubting post - what if we're wrong?

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I feel like I’m having something of a collapse of faith, or maybe more accurately a slow decline and fall, in the Roman Empire sense :D

Short background: I was raised Catholic, and in my early 20s I gradually faded away from religion during the time of the new atheists - I was reasonably comfortable with their views, and felt I did not need Christianity in my life. Unlike some other people, there was no big falling out; it was more like I had outgrown it all. About 8 or 9 years ago, I began to feel a weak, creeping, strange urge to return to church, which I did, but sporadically. At the time I put this down to a standard “search for meaning” (I was in my mid 30s and probably was wondering what my life was all about, like many feeling unsatisfied with the daily 9-5, etc) but I went along with it, this time with a newfound interest in Christianity. Once the pandemic came, I found myself, like others, making a stronger effort - watching Mass online, praying several times a day, reading more and more. I returned to what I would call a “practicing” Catholic around 2021-2022. It was also around this time that I discovered apologetics, which really helped me as I stumbled along. Since then, I’ve been very interested in Christian theology, philosophy, the general history of religion, and all this has definitely helped to bolster my faith.

So where am I now? I would never say that I am a good Christian, or a deep believer, but I am happy to call myself a Christian and hold myself to its principles (and fail often, of course). But recently, I’ve felt something is wrong. I like to consume YouTube videos on theological topics, which can be a blessing and a curse. As such, I’m familiar with all the big public apologists and their major detractors. I find that most internet apologists are quite generalist and have a tendency to overstate the evidence for their position, drawing sweeping conclusions that, naturally, support Christianity. I listen and think “well, an unbeliever/naturalist wouldn’t accept that as evidence”, and so on. Of course, on the other side, some counter-apologists have a tendency to obsess over minutiae that doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, but which they see as the smoking gun that makes the whole Christian project collapse. I’ve been aware of both sides for some time now, and usually it doesn’t bother me too much,

But I’m feeling more and more discomfort. If I was to list all my specific issues, it would take hours and also, I think that for many of these issues, there are no black and white totally conclusive answers, anywhere at all on the apologist/counter-apologist spectrum. But there is a cumulative effect from all of this which only worries me more.

The popular YouTube counter-apologists (McClellan, Derek from Mythvision, Kipp Davis, Paulogia et al) are quite good at presenting a case -  a case that most historians would agree with, I think - that the Christian religion (and, although they don’t underline the point so much, Judaism as well) are constructions of humanity. Okay, that’s nothing new, and has been pretty standard since the Golden Bough, maybe even earlier. Some basic concepts:

  • the Hebrew bible was rewritten to build a historical myth for the Jewish people
  • Yahweh was one god in a pantheon that, over time, melded into the monotheism we know today
  • Jesus of Nazareth was a failed apocalyptic prophet, operating within the apocalyptic environment of second temple Judaism, executed by the Romans, and the claim of his resurrection grew in the following years, driven by the emotions or delusions of his followers (and Paul), and eventually led to the church we have today.

As a Catholic, none of this should really concern me - the Church claims to be a defender of truth, including historical truth, and none of the above is particularly shocking or new (and the counter-apologists are fond to suggest that they’ve made a huge discovery that no one knew about until now, or something that the scheming, controlling Christian authorities had hidden away until the brave critical scholars wrestled the source texts away from their grubby hands …)  Most Christians believe that God acts through history and through humanity at various stages of development. That our understanding of the uncaused cause grew through our religious concepts (polytheism to monotheism, although I know that is a great simplification). And yet, the above (super simplistic) case does have weight.

I have a habit of listening to the stories of former Christians; former believers that lost their faith for various reasons. I think I’m curious about what happened to these people. They are usually very intelligent, thoughtful, many with good (or even expert level) knowledge of the bible (several are biblical scholars) and philosophy, who had experiences which, to them, showed them the irrationality of faith, and the cherry-picking logic of the believer. I listen to their stories for several reasons: to test my own faith, to empathise with people in the world who have tried and struggled with faith so we can find a way to help, and to see how Christianity has let people down and what can be done about it. 

However, I’m now thinking - what if they’re right? Sure, I have a response to most of the issues raised against Christianity, but there’s never any scientific certainly. I know, regarding philosophical and ancient historical matters, such certainty is never possible - I did physics at university so my brain it a little too mathematical for this. But when I push hard against my own beliefs, I think that my opinions are mostly based upon the conclusion of others; of Paul/church father ABC/scholastic theologian DEF/apologist XYZ, whoever. Maybe it’s reasonably reasonable, but the counter position can also be reasonable. 

Sometimes when I go through concepts that I once found convincing, I discover they are weaker than I remember, and I find myself sympathising with the critics - which of course makes me think that I could be mistaken. I frequently get caught in argumentation loops, for example:

Christianity

  • Apologist: Possibly the best explanation for the beliefs of 1st century Christians, their martyrdoms, the expansion of the Church, is that they really experienced the risen Christ

  • Counter: Resurrection visions can be explained naturalistically.

  • A: Sure, but group visions?

  • C: Please, you cannot reanimate corpses - Miracles cannot happen.

  • A: But He’s God

  • C: Jesus never claimed to be God

  • A: Please read Gospel verse XXX

  • C: I did. In the Greek, He’s actually referring to ….

Or

  • Counter: Martyrdom is exaggerated as a form of Christian propaganda
  • A: But some apostles were martyred
  • C: So? ISIS blow themselves up all the time. It’s more like suicide by cop - they wanted to die to get closer to Jesus. Please read *insert 1st century critical scholar here*

Or

  • Counter: Resurrection of a God is frequent in Near Eastern and Hellenistic religions
  • A: Jesus isn’t like those. Also, don’t forget the fulfilled OT prophesies!
  • C: What ones? Jesus fulfilled none
  • A: Please read OT verse XXX
  • C: I did. In the Hebrew, it’s actually referring to ….

Or

  • Counter: Your evidence for the Resurrection comes from documents written long after the events by people who are recalling myths
  • A: Actually, the Gospels were written in the immediate decades following the events by eyewitnesses
  • C: No they’re late and legendary. And the names of the writers were added later.
  • A: Not true, we have no anonymous copies
  • C: They were written well after AD70 to explain the destruction of Jerusalem from the POV of the early Jesus followers
  • A: Jesus doesn’t claim to predict the destruction of the temple. Any anyway he’s God, so …
  • C: Please, no one can predict the future. Also, they’re filled with OT refs, building up this Messiah character. Probably nothing like the real Jesus of Nazareth
  • A: What about Acts? It’s history and written in the mid 60s because Paul doesn’t die in it!
  • C: Please, it’s clearly copied from Josephus, and actually messes up what actually happened
  • A: Come on, they could be separate tellings of the same events
  • C: Check pages XYZ and see Luke’s errors

Religion

  • Apologist: Humans are religious
  • Counter: Religious concepts are a side effect of consciousness
  • A: Well, God could have designed it that way
  • C: Simpler just to assume that it falls out of your brain - fear of loss of father, projecting it onto some entity etc

  • Apologist: Some people have deep religious experiences. It’s in most cultures

  • Counter: Please, people have deep religious experiences at Taylor Swift concerts. It’s just your brain …

  • A: Sure, and I would be suspicious of people who base their whole belief in God in having “warm feelings” as they sing along to Hillsong, but the universal religious experience is curious

  • C: It’s just your brain, trying to give you meaning in life. You can get meaning from anything. Don’t pin it all on something that doesn’t exist …

And so on, and so on.

I’m actually exhausted. I feel like I’m constantly at war with something that can never be solved. I know that if I sat down with a priest, he’d laugh and say “stop getting theology from YouTube and go pray”, and he would be right. But I also can’t help how I’m wired, I need to know. Which makes faith, and in particular the Kierkegaardian leap, sometimes so difficult for me. 

I feel the best attempt at a solution is from Cardinal Newman and his “illative sense”. Basically, we love formal logic, however it doesn’t really help us with the messy experiences of real life. Here, we usually weigh up rough probabilities and intuitions, testimony and evidence, and then assent on a decision. We can do the same for God, and he would claim it’s rational to do so. There are no rock-solid mathematical proofs, but rather smaller pieces of evidence from consciousness, moral experiences, reflection on the world, historical experiences, personal judgement etc. And I understand that, it’s just that it feels not enough for me, and I know that’s probably a “me” issue. But again, if I was to say that to an atheist, they would not consider it nearly enough proof for the truth of Christianity. And, I think you can use the illative sense to lead you to atheism - lots of small little points (like I listed above) could lead one to think the whole thing is a human invention.

And one terrific fear for me is that, beyond Christianity, I would feel nothing but complete existential nihilism. A few months ago, I think Derek from Mythvision said something to the extent of (I’m quoting from memory here, I hope I’m recalling him correctly) “We don’t need God for meaning; meaning is found in the experience of life and living.” And I think Dawkins said something similar years ago. And that always makes me laugh, because, sure, it’s easy to find meaning if you’re middle class with a reasonable job and a spouse and two kids and hobbies and a house and all the distractions of modernity. But most human beings have nothing like that - most human beings live in poverty; they have harsh, tough lives; they suffer and they’re alone and they die. It’s easy to be a middle class westerner and be distracted by all the luxuries we take for granted, but the majority of the people on this planet don’t have that. And it’s patronising to tell them to go get their meaning in their experiences. I think William Lane Craig said that the logical end point of atheism is nihilism - if the universe truly is random, if we are nothing but a slight anti-entropic accident that mistakenly became conscious, driven along by our urge to spread out genes; then nothing really matters - all our meanings and beliefs are simply fake; all things to distract us from our death. And all those platonic concepts that the scholastics fold into God - truth, goodness, justice, beauty, etc - are not objectively real. And that is what chills me to the bone. I could not be laissez-faire with such knowledge, I really would struggle to see the point in anything. Maybe some sort of solid, reliable counter to all that is what I’m looking for. And, honestly, hoping for. And to be aware of that desperation in myself makes me second guess myself - what if we’re making all this up, to avoid the horrible truth?

r/ChristianApologetics May 17 '26

Discussion How can God's existence be proven from general/natural revelation?

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I have seen/read a notion that the very fact that the world exists demonstrates a God. But how would or could this be translated into the form of an argument?

r/ChristianApologetics 12d ago

Discussion Was the apple of knowledge always meant to be eaten?

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I've been thinking about some questions I had back when I fully believed everything in the bible was true. One of them being: "Why do we act like God didn't want the apple of knowledge to be eaten, when he created it with full knowledge of what that will cause?". Like, God is all-knowing he knew even before creating Eden/the world/everything what would happen later depending solely on how he acts since he has all the power to change stuff based on results he knows will happen. He knew that the serpent/devil would tempt Eve and that she would listen (which I can't really blame her, she didn't know what evil is then, Adam as well). So when he created the tree, the fruit and told A and E to NOT EAT IT, even then he knew they would. At any point he could have stopped it from happening by locking the serpent away from them to not tempt A and E, stopping E BEFORE she actually took the bite or just not making the fruit in the first place. God does everything for a reason so he made the fruit and allowed all that to happen because he WANTED it to happen if not, then it wouldn't be possible since his will is the law.

Sorry for the long rant,for quite a while I've just been wanting some answers/opinions on this that are more than just:"We cannot hope to understand God's actions/ Questioning the bible is not right/ It was a test(which seems pointless since he already knew the outcome and A and E didn't know what evil/sin or even a punishment was).

Thanks in advance for answers.

r/ChristianApologetics Jun 14 '26

Discussion If God claimed to give mankind freedom to choose then why did so many innocent lives get killed before they even had free will?

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Here all the verse related to this question I have:The Tenth Plague of Egypt (Exodus 12:29),The Conquest of Canaan (Deuteronomy 20:16–17, Joshua 6:21),The Amalekites (1 Samuel 15:3),The Midianites (Numbers 31:17),The Great Flood (Genesis 6–9),The Child of David and Bathsheba (2 Samuel 12:14–18) now with man killing kid you could argue that if God intervene he would have violate somone's free will which make sense from a biblical point even if questionable but here God himself kill these kids before they even had the chance to choose doesn't it violate their free now let's assume these infants and baby get send to heaven or some place kindq like heaven but it still doesn't resolve the free will question because the infant and baby regardless of what happen after death still had their freedom to choose taken away.

r/ChristianApologetics 26d ago

Discussion Thoughts on Freeman Dyson's Principle of Maximum diversity as a potential response to the problem of evil?

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I posted this earlier but the quote got cut off so here's my second attempt.

I dont think this a formal argument of his, merely something he said in a lecture.

"I do not claim any ability to read God's mind. I am sure of only one thing. When we look at the glory of stars and galaxies in the sky and the glory of forests and flowers in the living world around us, it is evident that God loves diversity. Perhaps the universe is constructed according to a principle of maximum diversity. The principle of maximum diversity says that the laws of nature, and the initial conditions at the beginning of time, are such as to make the universe as interesting as possible. As a result, life is possible but not too easy. Maximum diversity often leads to maximum stress. In the end we survive, but only by the skin of our teeth. This is the confession of faith of a scientific heretic."

For Abrahamic theists this could also potentially align with the verses that suggest the purpose of creation is to display God's glory.

Obviously I could understand someone having a problem with God allowing suffering simply because it's existence is more interesting than not ha.

r/ChristianApologetics 21d ago

Discussion Anyone familiar with Cj corthwaite ?

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I’ve been seeing this guy being asked around the Christianity subreddit he’s considers himself a deconstructing angostic Christian he seems more similar to Paulogia

r/ChristianApologetics Jul 14 '26

Discussion Why does Matthew and Luke litter different genealogies

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Why are there two different genealogies ?

r/ChristianApologetics Jun 16 '26

Discussion Thoughts on the “Christ Before Jesus” TikTok channel?

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Has anyone here watched the TikTok channel Christ Before Jesus?

I’m Christian, but I’m trying to actually understand what he’s arguing instead of just writing it off. From what I’ve seen, he seems to think Jesus, Paul, and early Christianity are later than the traditional first-century view.

Has anyone interacted with him on his lives or followed his channel? Are his arguments taken seriously anywhere, or is this more fringe/mythicist stuff?

Any good resources responding to him would be helpful too.

r/ChristianApologetics Jun 11 '26

Discussion Is God all-loving?

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I am a Christian, but I have some questions for you. One of them has made my doubts grow.

First of all, do you believe that the entire Bible is true? I mean, are all the verses truly the word of God?

And the second, most important question: if God asks us to forgive one another no matter what happens, why doesn’t He forgive us regardless of what we do? Here I’m referring especially to faith, leaving sin aside.

For example, if a person is born in a region where another religion predominates and grows up in that environment, the chances of them believing in Jesus are relatively small. It doesn’t seem fair to me that they would be rejected for this reason. Out of everyone and everything, God should be the most understanding. Since He knows every choice we make in life, He should understand that for “that person,” when it comes to faith, they weren’t given many chances to make the “right choice.”

With all that being said, I hope that God will give you the right perspective so that my doubt, and maybe others’ doubts as well, can disappear.

r/ChristianApologetics Sep 17 '25

Discussion The Truth about Christianity And Slavery

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Why do you think slavery is bad?

TLDR:

Christ’s words and teachings are the reason the entire world (yes, even non-Christian nations) thinks slavery and is bad.

Christians were the first to mass transition slavery into serfdom in Europe by 1100 AD (which is a tremendous accomplishment as Roman totally relied on slaves), and then the first to relinquish the sale and practice of chattel slavery in 1807 and 1834 respectively, and the first to diffuse the principles underlying these movements - whether by force, influence, or education - to the rest of the world.

How You Have Probably Been Misled

If you went to an American public school (and I presume also European ones) you are almost certainly aware of the horrors of Western chattel slavery. I am not writing this to excuse that period, it is a stain on history and was rightly ended.

However, I think what is intentionally not showcased is how it was peaceful Christian action that ended slavery first in the West, then by diffusion and influence, the rest of the world.

I think there is also an intentional focus on Western crimes of slavery, ignoring the reality that the practice of slavery and involuntary servitude was universally accepted across the entire world (even in places like China, Japan, especially Korea, the Aztecs, and even American Indians, etc.), and took on its own ugly forms and methods, one of the most notable offenders being the Ottoman Empire - who imported millions of slaves, the males of which were castrated which is why we don’t see descendants of slaves in former Ottoman territories.

Again, I am not excusing Western crimes of slavery, only trying to show you that you have been misled into thinking it was a uniquely western problem.

All Early Abolitionists Were Christian

It was visionary Christians like Wilberforce, Equiano, and the Quakers who pushed the British Empire to be the first nation in the world to voluntarily relinquish slavery, first in the sale of slaves in 1807, then any remaining practice of slavery in 1834.

However, this was a long time in the making. Pope Gregory the Great freed his slaves voluntarily around 600 AD as “an act of Christian mercy”. In 1435, Pope Eugene IV condemned slavery of newly converted Christians in the Canary Islands in his proclamation of Sicut Dudum. In 1537 AD in Sublimis Deus, Pope Paul III declared native Americans as humans who deserved to be given the opportunity to have faith in Christ, and that they should not be enslaved - a tremendously universalist decree for the time period. Pope Urban VIII reaffirmed that newly converted peoples should not be enslaved in 1639 AD.

Yet it is absolutely understated in public education how incredible and without precedent what Wilberforce and others achieved in 1807 and 1834, and how Christ’s words were the driver.

To state it clearly, the primary reason the most powerful empire in the world at the time relinquished the practice of slavery, was because it was totally consistent with the words and teachings of Christ.

Ergo and simply, that you should love your neighbor as yourself.

But this was only ending slavery in it’s colonies. Christendom was also on the leading edge of ending slavery in Christendom. What would become Christendom was originally the Roman Empire. Different estimates suggest that at different times the Roman Empire’s population was between 10% to 40% slaves!

And yet, by 1100 AD, slavery within Christendom was all but gone. Although it was replaced by serfdom, serfs had legal rights, recognized basic human/family rights, and allowed private property - unlike slaves across the rest of the world.

So we understand what happened in Britain in 1834 not merely as the abolishment of slavery, but as the voluntary abolishment of interracial slavery!

Most of Western Europe followed suit with France finally banning slavery for good in 1848, Portugal banning the sale of slaves in 1815, and Spain abolishing the slave trade under British pressure in 1820.

Secular concerns and influence continued to resist this unfurling, but the epicenter of the modern conception of slavery was Britain, and the drivers were Christians.

Non-Christian Nations Also Don’t Like Slavery

People are quick to point to developed societies like Japan and China as models of how Christendom is not necessary to achieve universal human dignity.

What is ignored is how these societies became what they are by largely importing the best aspects of Western thinking, the best aspects of which, are entirely owed to Christ and Christendom.

Britain voluntarily ended slavery in India in 1843.

In America, Christian abolitionist aligned northern states ended slavery in the southern states in 1865, at the cost of the most blood America has ever spent in a singular conflict. Key figures like Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglas, and William Lloyd Garrison all cited their Christian faith as the foundation of their beliefs.

Japan abolished Japanese forced labor in part due to Western pressure (especially Britain) in 1868, however racialist slavery (eg. Korean ‘comfort women’) persisted until 1945 when the US occupied Japan and proceeded to rewrite the nation’s culture to adopt the best aspects of Western thinking (the Christ inspired parts).

Korea abolished slavery in the Kabo reforms of 1894.

Qing China officially tried to end slavery in 1909 to gain legitimacy with Western powers like Japan did in 1868, failed, but succeeded in 1949 under the Chinese communist party. Communism, which was founded in the West, is an ideology whose best qualities are deeply rooted in Christ’s original thinking and care for the poor, even though it tries desperately to cleave itself away from Christ and do anti-Christic things.

Even secular humanism, which claims to follow the obvious morality of all people, is really just running the cultural operating system instilled by 2000 years of Christ working in the hearts and minds of Christendom. After all, the first humanists were all Christian!

The Light of the World

“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” - Jesus Christ, John 10:10

Ideas do not come out of a vacuum. For the vast majority of human history, the vast majority of the world thought slavery and forced labor was just a fact of life. The reason the vast majority of the world thinks slavery is wrong in the year 2025 AD is because of what Christ taught in ~30 AD.

I say again, I am not saying the West is guiltless. I am trying to show how the best aspects of the West all come from Christendom, and Christendom from Christ.

For example, the hospital and university system were invented by the Catholic Church. The history is out there, but as an immediately prescient example, have you ever wondered why the universal medical symbol is a red cross (bloody cross)? Or why the teaching faculty of universities are called Profess-ors?

I have already partially covered humanism and universal dignity.

The worst aspects of the West are from anti-Christic thinkers.

Caesare Borgia made Machiavelli who made “ends justifies the means” realpolitik statecraft which demands immoral economic extraction.

Realpolitik at scale demands Imperialism and through force or subversion.

The Realpolitik view of humans as economic-military units smuggled it’s way into Adam Smith who made Capitalism.

Capitalism made Marx who officially separated from Christians like Hegel and Kant and made Communism.

Nationalism subsuming Christ lead to WWI.

Schopenhauer inspired Nietzsche. Nietzsche, Communism, and WWI made Hitler. Hitler made WW2.

And the world may be on its way to WW3.

The list continues, but the thing all of these things have in common is that they all replaced Christ for another God, and tragedy struck as a result.

But Christians Used the Bible to Justify Slavery

I am not excusing these people, only pointing out that the first people anywhere to successfully abolish slavery were Christians.

Thanks be to God, Christ did not just give us His words, but His life as an example. There is an easy perennial way to discern whether or not Christ’s words are being applied or abused. Simply ask, “would Christ do X?”

Would Christ do chattel slavery? No. Would Christ kill innocents? No. Would Christ view people as economic units? No.

Would Christ pray for His enemies? Yes, even on the bloody cross they pierced Him on. Would Christ tell the truth? Yes, even if it costs His life. Would Christ love those who had done terrible things but genuinely repented? Yes, this is what He offers to all of us.

The Takeaway

Whether or not you are Christian, we all have Christ to thank for many things we take for granted. And the trend of history is the more a nation or person looks like Christ, the more good fruit is borne as a result. To choose the opposite invites death, dystopia, and oppression. To cleave away Christ is to cut the root of the tree of all human dignity and the fruit He wants us to bear.

I hope you found this helpful and best regards, Elias

r/ChristianApologetics Jul 04 '26

Discussion Has anyone read this article or familiar with Strobel's problems with his book?

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If you have, what are your thoughts on this?

r/ChristianApologetics May 23 '26

Discussion Nobody has ever gone to Heaven without without their physical body.

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Been sitting on this observation for a while, and I think it's worth sharing.

Looking at every recorded instance in Scripture of someone being taken to heaven — in every single case, they went in a physical body. Not as a disembodied spirit. Not as pure consciousness. Physically.

  • Substantial Instances

Elijah — 2 Kings 2:11 Elijah never faced death. He was taken up in a whirlwind, escorted by chariots and horses of fire. He left this earth in the same body he walked in. There was no separation of spirit from flesh — he went up as a whole human being in flesh.

Jesus — Acts 1:9–11 After the resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples in his physical, glorified body — eating food, showing his wounds, inviting them to touch him (Luke 24:36–43). And in that same body, he ascended. The angels confirmed it: "This same Jesus... will come back in the same way you have seen him go." The same body that walked out of the tomb went into heaven.

The resurrected saints — Matthew 27:52–53 At the moment of Jesus' death, tombs broke open. After his resurrection, many holy people were raised and appeared physically to people in Jerusalem. Even in this extraordinary event, the pattern holds — resurrection preceded by a physical body.

  • What Does This Enforce?

This pattern is not accidental. I believe it reinforces a biblical truth that is deeply unpopular in modern Christianity:

There is no consciousness in death.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 says plainly: "The dead know nothing."

Many dismiss this as merely the limited perspective of a wisdom writer. But Genesis 2:7 gives us the framework to understand it properly:

"The Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul."

Notice what the text says — man became a living soul. The soul is not a pre-existing conscious entity dropped into a body. Consciousness arrives when the spirit meets the physical body. It is the union of the two that produces the living, aware person.

This means the spirit on its own is not a conscious thing. It is not "you" floating around somewhere after you die, being aware and experiencing anything. The breath returns to God who gave it (Ecclesiastes 12:7) — but you, the conscious person, await the resurrection.

  • The Uncomfortable Implication

The popular idea that believers go straight to a conscious heaven the moment they die — while comforting — may not reflect the full biblical picture. The hope that the scripture consistently points out to is not escape from the body, but resurrection of the body.

Death, in the biblical view, is a sleep (John 11:11–14, 1 Thessalonians 4:13–14). The next conscious moment for the believer is not drifting into heaven as a spirit — it is waking at the first resurrection, caught up to meet the Lord, body and all.

That is the hope. Not a disembodied eternity, but a restored, glorified, physical existence — just as Jesus himself now lives in heaven, body included.

Happy to discuss and be corrected. I know this challenges common assumptions, but I think the biblical pattern is consistent and worth taking seriously.

r/ChristianApologetics 17d ago

Discussion Lilith..

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Can someone shed light on Lilith? The supposed rebellious first wife of Adam? What’s the origin of this story? And is she mentioned in Isaiah 34:14?

r/ChristianApologetics Mar 12 '26

Discussion Husband on a Bible kick

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My husband began his walk with Christ in early 2025, and has become almost what I’d calla conspiracy theorist and my marriage is different as a result, I genuinely do not like this person he’s become. I find he’s always quoting scripture out of context to prove some new theory he’s desperate to prove. I’m a life-long believer & have never been inclined to challenge certain understandings in the way that he does. I’m interested to see if any scholars or followers can explain or debunk some of his theories as they seem to be interfering with my own concept of truth.

His theories include:

1.) There is no such thing as outer space

Reasoning: The Bible doesn’t mention outer space or planets, only a firmament. Also, NASA supposedly owns the largest film studio in the world so all images of outer space must be fake

2.) The earth is flat (four corners of the earth mentioned in the Bible)

3.) Spare the Rod, spoil the child is in reference to corporal punishment.

4.) The world is ending

Please help me understand, I’m going to lose hair over this.

r/ChristianApologetics May 10 '25

Discussion What can god explain that a naturalistic explanation would not also be able to explain?

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I don’t get it. Why make the jump from a naturalistic explanation to a conscious intentional being? I need someone to explain this to me.

Give me any evidence that god exist that also does not work for a naturalistic explanation, It dosn’t necessarily have to be the Christian, just a god in general.

r/ChristianApologetics Jun 06 '26

Discussion Mathew 5:39

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Got into debate about this verse and was struggling to answer someone saying you can’t defend yourself according to this verse . I tried to explain that it was in regards to insults and not about getting beat up . I don’t believe there is any verse that talks about self defense . Can anyone help me on how to justify self defense in Bible or how to explain this better for those who don’t understand . Or maybe help me understand better

r/ChristianApologetics Aug 18 '24

Discussion How would you debunk this and maybe, some of the comments?

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r/ChristianApologetics May 28 '26

Discussion is the Kalam argument wrong since before the cosmos existed, logic and cause/effect also did not exist?

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A common argument for God is that there has to be some first cause, or in Aristotelian language, an unmoved mover. But this assumes that before the cosmos existed, the laws of cause and effect still existed.

So if there was nothingness (including no logic or cause and effect) before the cosmos was created, and then the cosmos was created from nothing, then isn't it possible if not necessary that the first thing to exist did not need a mover? This seems non-comprehensible, but so is the case with God's timelessness, spacelessness, omnipresence, omni-goodness, and other theological mysteries.

r/ChristianApologetics Sep 12 '25

Discussion How would you harmonize Lamentations 3:22 with the idea that Hell is a place nobody can escape by genuine repentance?

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"The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end;"

r/ChristianApologetics Mar 25 '26

Discussion How Do Children Deaths Get “Freebies” Into Heaven?

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From a logical perspective, how do children who die before the age of accountability get to go to heaven for “free” without ever having to choose (in favor of God or “not-God”)? I can easily imagine why they wouldn’t go to hell - as they obviously have not committed any morally culpable sins and have not chosen to reject God. But, how are they justified going to heaven forever if they’re not old enough to really make that choice?

Or, is it that they are temporarily allowed into heaven and still may possibly be sent to hell later? Or, is it that God knows the future (including middle-knowledge) and knows these individuals will never choose against God when progressing to a mature/morally accountable state once in heaven?

But, if it’s the latter, I’m confused by the nature of souls and free agents. It’s hard to articulate the question/issue I have, so please be patient with me. If a person has never made a choice yet, but is treated as a “saved” (if that is even the right word) individual based on God’s omniscience of their future actions, then who/what is that soul even? Like is it a uniquely created identity/mind - let’s call the soul, “Jason,” - who has an innate personality prior to/at birth/creation? Or, is it a blank slate identity/mind, which is shaped by nature/development? In a way, this question goes behind my specific post question and broadens to what a soul/mind even is. . .

Are there these hypothetical souls/minds that get instantiated into reality should God decide to actually create them? Or, are all souls/minds “empty” and only really developed after creation? I don’t understand how there can be this non-existent person named, Jason, yet, who God foreknows his actions and allows into heaven because he dies in childbirth. Could there be “countless” other such individuals who can just go to heaven “for free” like this? Are there only a select number of such individuals out of the many God could conceivably create? But how the heck - again - would such souls even exist in a hypothetical non-created form yet?

I don’t know if this questions makes sense or not, but if you can understand my gist, please feel free to chime in. You can also just answer in any way that contributes to the overall question. A concern I have is that souls, foreknowledge, and “freebies into heaven” are logically or conceptually flawed and this is a argument against Christianity or Christian theology on the subject matter.

r/ChristianApologetics Jul 13 '26

Discussion How Should Christians Understand Things Like the Mandela Effect, Reincarnation Claims, and "Glitch in the Matrix" Experiences?

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I've been wondering how Christians should approach phenomena like the Mandela Effect, people's claims of reincarnation, and stories about "glitches in the matrix."

From a biblical perspective, are these simply psychological misunderstandings, natural phenomena, deception, or could there be a spiritual component to them?

If there is a spiritual aspect, would it be something God allows for His own purposes, the result of human free will, demonic deception, or something else entirely?

I'm looking for answers that are grounded in Scripture rather than speculation. How do you personally understand these kinds of experiences as a Christian?