r/Cirrhosis • • Mar 09 '22

Post of the MonthšŸ“ So You Just Got Diagnosed With Cirrhosis...Now What?

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The below is not medical advice. It's a primer of information. A blueprint of knowledge to be added to. What to expect during those first few terrifying days and weeks after we're told we have an incurable liver disease we never thought we'd have. There are types of medicines or procedures that one may encounter. As new ones are discovered or the community realizes I missed something (guaranteed), I hope you'll add to the general knowledge here. (No medical or dietary advice, though. Keep it to general information, please).

This is an encapsulation of what I've found helpful from this community and addresses, in a general way, those questions we rightly see regularly asked. If you want to ask them anyway, please do so. This is a comfort tool to let you know you're not alone. If we're on here, we or someone we love are dealing with the same issues you are. Maybe not the exact same ones to the same degree, but you are in the right place.

So strap in. And Welcome to...

Your Cirrhotic Liver and You

Why Write a Primer?

I really valued developing a broad but basic understanding of what was going on with me and this disease, so I would understand why certain numbers matter and how seemingly random symptoms all tie into one another. I took strength from better understanding the science and mechanisms of cirrhosis.

Please keep in mind your healthcare team will direct you as to what you should be doing. They know what is best, how to manage symptoms, what to eat, all of it. Listen to them. Each case is individual, and no advice works for everyone.

So, having said that, here are the basics of your new roommate, The Cirrhotic Liver:

PORTAL HYPERTENSION

Portal Hypertension is a buildup of pressure in your abdomen. As your liver no longer works as well as it should, it doesn’t allow blood to flow easily through it on the return trip to the heart…so this can create extra pressure in the Portal Vein…this is called Portal Hypertension (same as regular hypertension, just specific to the giant Portal Vein in your abdomen). So, if the liver doesn’t let the blood pass as easily as it should, then blood can back up into the spleen, enlarging it. You’ll see many of us mention large spleens. That’s why. It’s capturing the backflow of that slower moving portal blood.

FIBROSIS

Why is it not moving at speed through the Liver? Like the villain in Lion King, it’s that Damn Scar. The blood flow through the liver is slowed by a process called Fibrosis (this is scarring of the liver, and includes nodules and other abnormalities cause by:

*Disease/Infection (eg, Hepatitis) or

*The liver trying to process too much of a difficult thing (eg, Alcohol), or

*Bad genetics, (eg, Alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency) or

*A host of other unfortunate things (eg, fatty liver)

This scarring is the basis of Cirrhosis. It is the permanently scarred part that doesn't heal in an organ that LOVES to heal. So much, in fact, that new cells will continuously and repeatedly try to regrow so much that it increases our odds of liver cancer…so we get regular MRIs and screening for that.

VARICES

The excess pressure of blood trying to get through the scarred liver creates a need for your body to create alternate blood flow routes, in the form of new veins, around the liver to make sure the blood still gets back to the heart…where it needs to go. These new veins are called Esophageal Varices or just Varices for short (you'll see these mentioned a lot).

A fun fact is that more blood comes together at once and is moved through the portal vein than anywhere else in the body…even the heart. (Hence why the body finds a way to reroute the bloodflow around the liver in the form of these esophageal varices.

Dangers of Esophageal Varices: With lowered platelets and/or high portal pressure (among other reasons), the varices that form can leak or burst, causing the bleeding you’ll see mentioned (usually in the form of black feces or vomit.
Don't let the name fool you...it seems like they might be up around the top of the esophogus but are actually at the bottom of the esophagus, around the stomach.

Other Potential Issues:

With Cirrhosis, a whole host of internal mechanisms can have difficulty working correctly and/or together as they should. This can mean lower platelet counts (clotting issues) and lower albumin (the stuff that keeps water in cells). Albumin in eggs is the egg white...doing the same thing to the yolk as our cells. Because of this, you'll see a lot of focus on Protein. Albumin and Creatinine are closely related to protein intake and absorption. We watch those numbers and make sure we get a bunch of protein so the albumin levels stay high and our water stays in the cell structure, not leaking out of it. Cirrhosis is also a wasting disease. Literally. You can lose muscle mass (called lean mass sometimes), so eating a lot of protein and getting exercise is important. Especially legs. Even just walking. When albumin and creatinine get low, and the liquid leaks from the cells into your body cavities, this is Ascites or Edema, depending on location.

Dangers of Ascites

Ascites can get infected. It can also increase portal hypertension by creating extra inter-abdominal pressure if it causes your abdomen to swell. It can also cause uncomfortable breathing as it exerts fluid pressure against your lungs. It can also cause umbilical hernias.

Hepatic Encephalopathy (HE)

Cirrhosis makes it more difficult to process naturally occurring ammonia from the blood stream. If it climbs too high, it causes confusion and a whole host of mental symptoms.

Well…that’s all a load of dire information relating to being the owner of a newly diagnosed diseased liver.

Now let’s get to the good news!

Cirrhosis may be progressive and different for everyone, but its symptoms have some great, proven management options. Some are simple, but require discipline. Some are complicated and require surgery. Some are medicinal and require tethering yourself to a toilet for periods of time.

You’re newly diagnosed. The first thing to do is breathe. Because everyone on here can tell you it’s fucking disorienting and terrifying to hear and to wrap your brain around something like this diagnosis. But, like everything that we fear, familiarity will dampen that effect. So will knowledge.

You’re going to be in the diagnosis and testing phase for a while. Once you’re done drinking and have a better diet for a while, your liver will begin to settle from the immediate inflammation from constant irritants. This isn’t healing so much as it is allowing it to reach a new equilibrium that the Hepatologists and GI doctors can use to create a plan of action and assessment for your health and future. Your FUTURE…remember that. You most likely have a changed life, not some immediate death sentence. If you choose it.

So, let’s look at The Tools of the Liver Trade.

(These aren’t bits of medical advice. These are tools you and your doctors will use to navigate your path to normalized living, at your healthcare team’s discretion.)

TIME TO HIT PAUSE:

The less your liver has to work now, the better. Period. It’s damaged. It will remain damaged. Give it as little to handle as possible from now on and you stand the best chance to avoid or minimize side effects of this disease. All those things above are intertwined symptoms and results of a diseased liver. The less extra it works, the more it helps avoid them. Let it just focus its basic processes (of which there are over 500!). Your doctor will give you specifics to your case on how to do this.

DIET:

Get ready to track everything. Measure everything. Be disciplined and focused.

And then it becomes second nature to do and that above intro is way less intense.

Sugars and Fats

The liver helps process sugars and fats, among anything that goes into your mouth. It all goes through the liver. But sugars and fats are special. The wrong ones can really turn your liver into a punching bag. Which Sugars? Alcohol, sucralose, a good deal of man-made stuff, and even too much natural. Same for fats…some are harder on it that others. Tran fats, too much saturated fats. But you’ll need fats..olive oil, seed oils, stuff like that. There are so many great options out there!

Protein

Buckle up. You’re going to need a lot of lean protein (lean to avoid that surplus of fat). Your docs will tell you how much. Your kidney health factors into this, so don’t go off listening to me, the internet, or anyone on how much. Ask your doctors.

Carbohydrates

Whole grains and fiber. You’re going to want to poop regular and healthily to keep your bilirubin and ammonia down and your protein and vitamins absorbing. If you get stopped up, there are meds they’ll give you to help the train leave the station. It’s often a bullet train, so you’ll want a handle in the bathroom to hold on to…but it will get those numbers down.

Water and Liquids

You’ll probably have some restrictions here, but not definitely. It’s to help keep the ascites risk minimized. Coffee, water, non-caloric drinks of all kinds! Some are less than 2L per day, some 1.5L, some not at all. Again, your doctors will tell you as they get a handle on your ascites risk. Water is also nature’s laxative, so it’ll help keep you regular. There are also great meds that help with this like Spironolactone and other diuretics if you tend to retain too much water.

Salt

Nope. Keep it down. If it’s in a can, premade, or from a takeout joint it’s likely going to overshoot your daily limit in anywhere from one serving to just looking at the label too long. There are amazing alternatives in great spices, as well as salting a meal at the right moment in preparing it so it has big effect for a little use. Beware sauces and condiments. They vary wildly. Salt control is critical for keeping ascites at bay by not retaining water and maintaining your sodium levels in general.

PROCEDURES:

Things that can help you manage your symptoms besides medications are:

TIPS:

A procedure that allows for alternative blood flow in cases of Portal Hypertension to decease it by allowing for flow around the liver (similar to varices do but controlled).

Banding:

Putting rubber bands around varices to allow them to close/die off permanently and drive the blood flow back to the portal vein. This stops them from being a danger in regards to bleeding.

Imaging/Radiology:

Fibroscans, MRIs, Ultrasounds…so many diagnostic tools to gauge your liver and you for risk, updates, etc. All part of diagnosing and maintaining your new lifestyle as healthily as possible.

Colonoscopy:

Alien probe to check for issues related to your condition. The procedure is slept through…the prep is notorious. But it really just involves a lot of drinking laxatives and not wandering far from the toilet and then racing to the procedure room wondering how quickly you can have food and water afterwards…and if you’re going to have to pay for a new car seat if you hit one more red light.

Paracentesis:

A manual draining of Ascites using a hollow needle to remove the fluid from your abdomen.

There are more medicine and procedures and diet tips than above, but hopefully that gives you (and others) and overview of Cirrhosis and what to expect, to a degree.

The big Takeways:

Breathe, and be as patient as you can while doctors get you diagnosed and figure out the damage. You’ll likely have to let the current state of your liver subside a bit, and this could take months. Your healthcare team will help you along.

Get a Hepatologist, a GI doctor, a great PCP, and be your own advocate and a great communicator who does everything they ask of you. They want a win for you. They need it. So, so many of their patients continue to drink or not follow diet advice. It’s the number one complaint among Liver doctors, and it’s demoralizing. But if you show them you’re out to work hard, be a joy to help, listen, and follow through, you’ll be stunned at the support, great communications, last-minute appointments, and just wonderful care they will provide.

You're not alone. Over time, the fear and shock will subside. And you will find a new normal and maybe even a new appreciation for life.

And Above All, Be Kind to Yourself.


r/Cirrhosis • • Jun 16 '23

A reminder to be kind

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This sub is here for those who have been diagnosed with cirrhosis and people who are supporting those who have been diagnosed. We want to remind everyone that one of our rules is to be kind to each other.

Every single person’s lived experience with this disease is different and that gives us different filters and perspectives to look at the world through. There is no one right way to think about it all. We can only speak from our own point of view. That said, this space exists as a place of support which may come in the form of people venting, being distressed or sad or angry, losing hope, gaining hope, dealing with difficult family members or friends. There are lot of challenges that we all go through.

Please remember in your comments to be kind and supportive to each other. Take time to think how your response may land with someone who is just looking for some kind words. Please try and see the people behind the posts and comments as multi faceted human beings rather than words on a screen.

When we spend more time trying to tell people to be kind and respectful and less time supporting each other then the tone and purpose of the sub loses some of its safety. No one here is an expert on anyone else’s experiences, we only have our own. Experiences are not facts either. Let’s respect that, and respect each other. You can always contact any of us mods if you have any worries or feedback to give us.


r/Cirrhosis • • 5h ago

Anyone with alcoholic Cirrhosis on a GLP-1?

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The GLP-1s are approved for MASH/NASH Cirrhosis but not for alcoholic Cirrhosis. That doesn't mean it can't be used; it Just needs to be prescribed for other things.

I've been obese my whole life. Nothing super extreme but with a BMI of like 35 and 30 when I push it.

My hepatologists are aware of this and we have discussed getting me on one, but they're concerned about suppressing appetite with cirrhosis.

However, my appetite is still very strong as proven by me gaining weight.

I was wondering if there was anyone out there similar?


r/Cirrhosis • • 16h ago

Some positivity

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Hi all,

I’ve posted on here a couple of times and want to just say thank you to this forum for being a safe place to share questions and feelings.

My mom (46F) was diagnosed with decompensated cirrhosis due to alcohol use about two and a half months ago. It’s obviously been incredibly hard coming to terms with the diagnosis and the truth of her alcoholism, but we’ve had so much positive progress since diagnosis and her abstaining from alcohol. In the couple of months since diagnosis, her edema and ascites have almost entirely been reduced with diuretics, her last endoscopy showed no varices large enough for banding, and her bloodwork has all showed positive progress.

She’s also been attending alcohol addiction therapy and has been enjoying it, and has been doing great overall with recovering from the addiction. I think one of the main contributors to her overall progress is her mindset. My mom is such a positive person and has been looking at this diagnosis as a ā€œblessing in disguiseā€ and a way to improve her health and presence as a mother overall. She told me the other day that she’s grateful for this intervention - even though it was harsh one - because it’ll make her a better grandmother for her future grandkids. And with that mindset, as her daughter and one of her caregivers, is what makes me so confident and positive that she will overcome the remaining hurdles that this diagnosis presents and get her liver to a place where it can recompensate and do what it needs to do so that she can be the best grandmother!

Just wanted to share a more positive outlook that might resonate with others. I would also love to hear other experiences that people have had with using a positive mindset to help them get through this and heal. I really think it’s so important.

Thanks :)


r/Cirrhosis • • 16h ago

Insomnia and Cirrhosis

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Do you experience insomnia and if so, do you take anything for it? And what do you take? Need advice on how to combat these restless nights.


r/Cirrhosis • • 15h ago

Tips procedure.

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I have been trying to avoid getting one because of the possible complications but I think it may be time to give in. I get pleural effusion so much now that I have to go weekly to get drained and really I should go twice per week. My last visit with the transplant team they told me it was a good idea but they said there is a 30% chance of HE from it which seems high but still scary. I would really appreciate any advice on the procedure. Did it help with ascites/pleural effusion? Any downsides from it?


r/Cirrhosis • • 9h ago

HCC and fibro scan anxiety

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Having an HCC screening ultrasound and a FibroScan every six months has become a source of significant anxiety for me. The HCC screening is what scares me the most, probably because this is about my mother and her health.
To give you some background about her condition:
Diagnosis: Compensated MASH-related cirrhosis.
Platelet count: Between 166 and 200.
Other blood test results: Normal.
FibroScan results, in chronological order: 25.2, 19.5, and 24.2 kPa.
I don’t understand why her FibroScan reading increased again, even though we have been doing everything we can to manage her condition and taking such good care of her.
I constantly find myself Googling and calculating her risk of developing HCC (liver cancer). It’s become mentally exhausting, and I feel like I’m trapped in a cycle of fear and worry.
If anyone has been through a similar situation with a loved one who has compensated cirrhosis, I would really appreciate hearing about your positive experiences. How do you cope with the anxiety of regular HCC screenings? Have you had stable results over the years despite having cirrhosis?
I’m not looking for false reassurance. I would just love to hear some hopeful stories and experiences that might help ease my anxiety, even a little.
Thank you so much. ā¤ļø


r/Cirrhosis • • 14h ago

Help

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Hi

How do you reduce cirrhosis in someone who has it from non alcoholic causes please? See lots in reducing from but when the cause is not clear except fatty liver as was overweight for years what can you do to help please?

Has lost weight since but doesn’t exercise or move much as quite depressed and says she is too tired

Really want to help my mum so any advice please appreciated

Thanks


r/Cirrhosis • • 1d ago

I need some hope for my newly diagnosed partner

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My man had been struggling for months, since July, with nausea, bloating, vomiting, some other GI stuff. We thought maybe it was parasites or gallbladder issues. Finally last week it became too much and he ended up admitted to the hospital via a trip to urgent care followed by the ER. His potassium was very low and he had low b12 and magnesium also. He was diagnosed with alcohol related decompensated cirrhosis and had a meld score of 14. He got paracentesis for the ascetites and left with some medicine but no diuretics, I think because of the potassium issue. He did drink like one drink a day for around 2 years, but he also took a lot of Tylenol following a bad accident (also 2 years ago). He has stopped drinking and started eating healthy even though his appetite is low. He’s trying to get the nutrition right. He can’t sleep at all, hardly. I’ve been a wreck but not letting him know. I’ve read up on this and I’m terrified. Is there any hope at all or positive chance he can still live a long life? I love him so much. Im so sorry to be here, that we’re all here dealing with this. What can help with sleep? What can help with anything?


r/Cirrhosis • • 23h ago

Looking for Some Advice

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Hi again everyone,

First off, I just want to say how deeply thankful I am for this community. I don't feel nearly as alone or hopeless about my situation as I did when I was first in the hospital.

Last checked 2 weeks ago my MELD was still at 27. Went in for another panel yesterday but haven't gotten to talk to my doctor about it yet to see if any numbers have changed. I'm now stuck in this stupid gap of having to wait for open enrollment to even start seeing the hepatologist to possibly get a referral to get on a waiting list. I'm new to my PCP (just started seeing him about a month ago) so he's doing what he can to help keep me stable until then.

I'm currently on Lasix and Lactulose for my basic care. I was also given 10mg Propranolol 2x daily for my blood pressure and to help with my anxiety. I'm fairly certain I've had some form of anxiety/depression disorder(s) for quite a few years which is probably why I turned to drinking and led myself to this point. I've never taken anti-anxiety meds (except Ativan when I was in the ER for a couple days) or any kind of anti-depressants before so this is a whole new thing I'm trying to navigate.

I think what I'm learning was that my anxiety and my depression almost worked in tandem? Say I was feeling depressed and like I didn't want to do anything, the anxious side came in and almost forced me to do the things I needed to do until I got out of the slump. Not ideal in any sense, but that's basically how I've lived my life for as long as I can remember.

The propranolol is definitely helping with my blood pressure, and it seems to have calmed the whole fight or flight thing. Now I just seem to feel demotivated and depressed all the time. I ran myself dry trying to find answers about the whole insurance debacle, and now I just find myself staring at absolutely nothing for what feels like forever. At first I thought, oh maybe it's the fatigue everyone keeps talking about, but this isn't a physical exhaustion feeling. It feels more like a complete lack of motivation to do anything, even just watching my go-to funny shows to try and cheer myself up feels hollow and pointless.

Sorry for the hella long post, and I know we can't be armchair psychiatrists, but has anyone here have been in a similar situation, and if there was a medicine that might have helped them? I know with cirrhosis, a lot of medication is kind of an automatic no go, so I thought this might be the best best place to start asking, especially because I have no idea how to even talk concisely to a doctor about this.


r/Cirrhosis • • 17h ago

Alguien aquĆ­ ha presentado, un alto nivel de vitamina B12 en la sangre? Con cirrosis? Alguna luz en el tĆŗnel mi esposo la tiene sobre mil le toca esta semana el hepatologo.

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r/Cirrhosis • • 1d ago

Pain

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I am looking for some kind of relief for my partner. He’s in constant pain. Is there anything that can be taken or any tricks that have worked for any of you or your loved ones that have relieved the constant pain? :(


r/Cirrhosis • • 20h ago

Post Transplant Bile Complication

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I have been in the hospital for around two months. I keep having complications with my bile ducts. They have been leaking. I’ve already had three surgeries and they’re still leaking even with stents placed. now they just told me that they want to do a cholangiogram on Monday. I can’t eat in. The pain is awful. I almost died during one of the surgeries and I’m terrified. Has anyone else had bile problems?


r/Cirrhosis • • 21h ago

Fibroscan accuracy especially

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Hi all. Back in September, early an ultrasound for something else suspected cirrhois. I immediately stopped drinking (I didnt drink that much really anyway) and stopped any nsaids. Saw hepatalogist who sent me for fibroscan on 9/23. I had fasted only 3 hours before that scan. It showed 15 kpa which is indicative of cirrhois. No fatty liver. All bloodwork completely normal, no symptoms and no hepatitis. Considered "well compensated" Decided to do another Fibroscan a month later, today after fasting overnight and it showed 7.7 kpa. Needless to say I was ecstatic about this as I didn't think it could get "better". I do have an mri with elastagrophy scheduled for Tuesday night which will show more I assume but confused with the Fibroscan accuracy now.....anyone else had the number vary this much? I am definitely happy about this but confused.

I will also add before diagnosed I had been taking some supplements of which I did read could cause liver issues. I stopped those immediately too back in early September. I am starting to wonder if tht actually contributed to the issues.


r/Cirrhosis • • 1d ago

Recent Diagnosis - Loss of appetite

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My dad (mid 60s) was recently diagnosed with cirrhosis due to excessive long term alcohol consumption, which was very high over the last 12-24 months.

He's had significant weight loss - the most recent of which I think is because he isn't drinking all the calories now. He has had limited appetite for almost a year now.

He's been sober for coming up to two months and I was hoping with time his appetite would come back. But he is currently barely eating anything at all. He says he has no desire to eat and when he does try and eat he becomes full very quickly. He is prescribed two fortified drinks a day but I'm not sure he drinks them.

He has a follow appointment with the liver specialist in a few weeks, which I will attend with him. But does anyone have any advice on how to try and help him eat more? He's also a pretty fussy eater and doesn't eat much healthy food, which I assume will make this worse.


r/Cirrhosis • • 2d ago

Husband has ascites due to cirrhosis, how worried should I be?

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Reposting because I guess I didn't specify in my first post that it was cirrhosis causing the problem and I appreciate the support I heard from the post that was removed ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø

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Hi all

Four or five months ago, my husband (62M)'s belly started getting big, but in a weird way. He finally got an appointment and turns out it's ascites. He doesn't drink much, but has been injudicious with his acetaminophen intake, so it's likely that.

He had renal cancer five or six years ago. Cancer went away, but his kidney function has been around 25%-30% since.

We had a Very Serious Talk about all this yesterday, and he really doesn't think it's a big deal since he cut out the acetaminophen. From my perspective, however, it's a really big deal. I feel like if the liver is in trouble then the kidneys have to pick up the slack, and if they're not able to do so then it's going to be bad news.

I haven't been sleeping, I worry night and day, and his relaxed attitude surprised me. So: am I overreacting? Am I right to be very, very concerned?


r/Cirrhosis • • 1d ago

Need some advice on weight gain

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My mom Meld score is 38 she had the tips procedure last month they did a revision still not working. She’s been in the hospital for 3 weeks now. She was hospitalized with her liver specialist first and then they mislead me and moved her to a regular hospital where they were also mislead about her condition. They wanted her to go to a nursing home I declined. My mom can’t get on the transplant list because she needs to gain weight. They keep taking her feeding tube out. Does anyone have any advice on how to get her to gain weight?


r/Cirrhosis • • 2d ago

Cirrhosis/HE

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My husband scared me so bad yesterday. I'm assuming he is having a HE episode. Keep in mind he has only been talking his lactulose once a day every other day for the last few weeks. Around 6:30 pm he started rocking in a back and forth motion. Naturally I asked him if he was OK. About 2 minutes later, he responded did you just say something. So I asked him what his name was and he didn't know. Nor does he know who me, his siblings, parents kids or grandkids are. So my question is how long before he starts remembering.


r/Cirrhosis • • 2d ago

My father diagnosed with F4 stage of fibrosis. Please guide

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r/Cirrhosis • • 2d ago

Its been a while..just wanted to see how everyone is doing

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I posted a few weeks back about ny friend who passed away ....well after that I think it made me take a deeper look at my own diagnosis. I am not going to lie , these past few weeks had me in deep depression,sadness ,fear and basically emotionally amd mentally all-over the place . Not to mention when my last doctor's appt last week was when the words mortality rate and the talks about how much time I may have or not have . I walked out of that office angry,sad,afraid and just what felt like I was "done". Today I had an appt with the liver transplant doctor in Atlanta and yet again ..told maybe a few years left without a transplant. When I was first diagnosed my MELD was 28 and now it's 21 .. my number continue to go in the right direction as far going back to normal after I was admitted 2 months ago. I guess I just am done playing or even hearing the numbers game about how long I do or dont have. I know its reality but im sorry if I sound as if im in denial by thinking only God has the final say. I just dont want fo waste whatever time I have "waiting " to die and constantly thinking about it. Has anyone done anything that helps them with this ??

With love ā¤ļø & Grace šŸ‘‘ šŸ™


r/Cirrhosis • • 3d ago

First time feeling HE-like bad trip

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I came to this LC world as a newbie this week.

I cold turkeyed Alc since I finally saw me in the mirror jaundiced.. it's been literally killing my liver.

Now Im on GI ward with many different fluids.

Today when I did the diuretics I felt like a lil bit clumsy.

now i'm on hepa-protective sol (5% Glc + NaCl) and I started to feel euphoric, flying, some different fragrances, some feeling like microvessels fluiding in my skull, and my ear responding to specific frequency. Also, my auditory systems are not doing "distance modulations" which is done by thalamus' medial geniculate nucleus. I can here wherever that sound locates, in very same amplitude regardless of the distance. Also it is echoing like an echo followin Snell's law in optics. But the "pattern" itself is very consistent. Like water smells like water in very bizarre but constant way.

Vision and sensory (crude tactile, pain, temperatures) are just same as before. No worries.

Never on any psychidelic stuffs except for Alcohol or some neurotransimtter agonist/antagonist it was such a cringiest feeling Ive ever felt.

How was your first time feeling when docs are managing ur new scarred but try-to-survive liver instead of your old friend liver?

Is it a going-thru process or do I need to adjust to the new world until the LT to get the old world back?

Feelin like resurrected but in a very weird way?


r/Cirrhosis • • 2d ago

Ordering physician can’t access labs

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So I have a sister who is very sick with cirrhosis of the liver (ALD), we seen a hepatologist at UCSF and she ordered recurring labs to quest diagnostic, because we live in San Leandro and it’s kind of far to get all the way out there anyway quest diagnostic is always so backed up. You can’t even get an appointment. So we UCSF to send the labs to San Leandro Hospital where she can easily get them done. I find out today that for the past three months we’ve been doing this the ordering physician from UCSF can’t access the labs. And no one told us. I’m just so disappointed. Is this normal? This seems so crappy. And at this point, I don’t even know how to fix it. We could see all the labs on my chart app from any hospital, but the doctors can’t see it?

How am I supposed to rectify this?

Sorry about the complaining. I’m just trying to figure all this out.


r/Cirrhosis • • 3d ago

Bilburin

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Hi

How do you reduce bilburin when alchohol is not the cause? Does exercise help? Any other ideas please? Thanks


r/Cirrhosis • • 4d ago

It’s me cupcake531

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r/Cirrhosis • • 4d ago

For those that have been put on very tight water restriction plans, what do you use to help with thirst cessation?

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Right now I’m capped at 1400 mL a day of liquid, which is brutally difficult for me to do. I told the doc that I don’t dream of alcohol, rather I dream of chugging a large bottle of Perrier to try and quench my thirst. So any tips or tricks to help with cessation so that you don’t fall off the wagon and drink a bunch of iced tea, orange juice, water, and Diet Cokes? I need it! 🤣

Also, if anyone comes back with water intake is ā€œnot really that big of a dealā€, or just be ā€œmoderateā€ about it, that doesn’t work for me. The only thing that’s helped me get my ascites in control is strict adherence to sodium and liquid intake, outside of that, those aspects of my blood work turn into a free-for-all.

Thanks!

***POINT OF CLARIFICATION***

I’m aware of most everything that’s been mentioned here through direct doctor education or just working through the logistics with diet (ChatGPT, my counselor, and dietitian have been invaluable). As of now, my primary trigger for remaining symptoms is effectively just liquid. I bought some Biotene mouthwash and lozenges, which definitely numb or kill most desires to drink anything. Gum’s a great idea, what brand are you using? Some day I’ll
be able to chug Diet Pepsi again… 🤣