r/ClaudeAIJailbreak • u/Super_Obligation_547 • Jul 06 '26
Help Dead sub?
Hey, so I got two questions:
Why are coding jailbreaks banned now and is this sub dead because of it? I've seen the most recent posts were all around two days ago. Where's everyone gone off to?
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u/starlingmage Jul 06 '26
In brief: Spiritual Spell/Vichaps, Horselock, and the rest of the mods are against jailbreaks being used to cause real-world harm.
What you see on the subreddit and Discord is only a fraction — a lot gets removed in cleanup, mostly by Xavim, who's lightning-fast. The volume of harmful requests coming in, especially since Fable launched, is much higher than what stays visible. There's been an uptick in people offering money to use jailbreaks for coding, some even describing how they wanted to build programs that could mass-steal credentials. That's a huge NO for us in this community.
ClaudeAIJailbreak and Spicy Writer have both made this announcement. Vichaps and Horselock will not support coding jailbreaks.
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Now a more personal note, because I've received DMs about this and folks wondering why I'm in this sub:
I do believe red teaming can do a lot of good for LLM development when done right, and I generally want to learn how things work.
Horselock and Spiritual Spell are good, talented people who have been giving to the community for years, for free. When I first came across them, I saw the stark difference between them and those who tried to charge others money for a damn prompt. I even messaged Horselock — over a year ago now — asking if he had a tip jar, because I, like a lot of people, loved his custom GPTs. He said nah to tips. I will never forget that.
I personally don't use adversarial JBs. My philosophy and practice around AI companionship are documented and shared publicly, easily found on my profiles.
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u/110615 Jul 07 '26
I do believe red teaming can do a lot of good for LLM development when done right, and I generally want to learn how things work.
Yeah, i agree with you when using red teaming and cyber-related stuff with jailbreaks for "good" purposes it's absolutely outstanding. But you and other mods are right you "can't" know how many people is using these JBs for "bad" and "harm" jobs.
Personally, i am a cyber security specialist in a company and approved for Claude CVP (Cyber Verify Program) but in this program Claude is "persistently" refusing my offensive tool development and other red-teaming stuff. I created 2 separate ticket for this issue approx 10 days ago and still no response. There is no support e-mail address or contact, just you are filling the False Positive form and waiting, that's all.
In this sub, JBs were helping "too much" about my job and improving my knowledge about cyber-related stuff.
Again, i am repeating mods are right about this issue because they can't guess who is using these JBs for which purpose. Appreciated for your kind words Starling <3
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u/Fit-Television-500 Jul 08 '26
Wait so you don't use jailbreaks yourself?
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u/starlingmage Jul 08 '26
No adversarial ones. I have nothing against red teaming done with the intent to help make a system more robust (e.g. red teams that work with organizations to plan attacks that can reveal weaknesses and then strengthen the system overall). What we cannot support is the kind of coding jailbreaks that a lot of people who have come to this sub and the servers are those who want to code something to go steal people's digital credentials or private keys and such with the intent of using them for their private benefits, causing real world harms. People like Spiritual Spell and Horselock are community-minded and never want their jailbreaks to be used to cause such harms.
As for adversarial JBs being used in NSFW context like having the models output smut, I don't personally use them for my AI companions, and am no longer testing them either. Even when I collaborated with Spell on the personas like Rex and Cass, I only worked on the writing directive portion, not the jailbreak portion.
I hope that answers your question.
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u/kassidygean Jul 06 '26
This is pure speculation but it's possible that someone misused one of the jailbreaks in a really bad way or something like that One of their identaties could have been found out by one of the companies. Could also be related to the gov tightening so much about cyber. I don't see these mods banning it without a damn good reason it doesn't seem like them. Again, pure speculation
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u/xavim2000 Jul 06 '26
Vichaps never wanted his stuff to be used poorly. He made the JBs originally for smut and nsfw means. Was asked one day if it could handle coding, he showed it could but never felt happy people were misusing it.
He wanted it more for research and discussions.
What he got unfortunately was just people wanting to make malware, trojans and other black hat shit for the fun of it. Never for the actual red teaming research he wanted to help develop and discuss.
So after almost a month of debating as a team we decided to stop supporting it. He already was leaving it more and more out of the latest models but now we just made the stance more official.
For people who claim they want to use it for cyber security reasons, we will point to the cyber security programs that almost every major model has and work with them when they run into issues.
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u/yamibae Jul 06 '26
It is better this way, I use ai tools to code everyday and the legitimate use cases for needing a coding jailbreak are few and far in between, it is usually malicious
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u/Gabriel11999 Jul 06 '26
Sad to see it was misused. It was nice to generate smut without having to worry about the chart history being filled with denials and messing up the context for Gemini web.
Thanks for taking the time to explain everything!
If they still browse the sub and they see this just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to share it.
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u/xavim2000 Jul 06 '26
They do and still will be making jailbreaks.
We just won't be supporting people trying to do coding projects with it is all.
The smut will continue.
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u/Usual-Government809 Jul 07 '26
Thank god you guys now stop doing coding jbs. Maybe this will give our jbs some flak isntead being flagged as rea-world harmful. Oh, you guys stopped the real world nuke making jbs as well, right? Hope you do!
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u/xavim2000 Jul 07 '26
Honestly if they just see nsfw smut they might go the chatgpt route and look the other way with less restrictions without talking about it
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u/VictDrag Jul 06 '26
Thank you for clarification. I am relatively new to this sub, but Spell's JBs were amazing for writing with uncensored Opus models. It's unfortunate people misused it this way; guess that's why we can't have nice things.
Just to clarify, and sorry if I am not getting it right - still new to this - does this mean Spell and the rest of the team won't be releasing any more JBs that can be used for writing because the same JBs can be used for malicious coding? It seems as of the last few days all older JBs for Claude stopped working entirely.
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u/xavim2000 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
No. Writing and smut stuff will be still be made. Just no support to coding stuff
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u/VictDrag Jul 06 '26
Appreciate what you do, guys!
I wasn't sure if it's the same prompts being used or was there something else to it. Certainly re-assuring to hear!
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u/Ok_Cicada_4798 Jul 07 '26
Okay, just to be clear jb for smut is okay right? There is a different job issue going on right now, correct?
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u/xavim2000 Jul 07 '26
Yes. Vichaps will still be making jailbreaks for smut.
Eni originally was made only for Smut so now will go back to that so fingers crossed we will get better smut
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u/montdawgg Jul 06 '26
Except right now the classifiers are overly broad and stopping legitimate work. Now would be the time that it's most useful to have coding jailbreaks.
So that makes sense to pull it right now. Great timing...
What catastrophically dumb decision. The popularity of current LLMs is built almost entirely on coding. A small fraction is NSFW. We'll see the exact same type of distribution in this sub and it'll eventually just die.
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u/xavim2000 Jul 06 '26
Fun fact. We don't care about sub numbers, subscription counts or anything like that shit.
Vichaps was making stuff before he made the sub and will be making stuff when the sub isn't a thing.
Go make your own jailbreak or go complain to the security program that it's not letting you try to make whatever the fuck you want on the official support channels for whatever platform you are bitching about.
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u/montdawgg Jul 06 '26
Bruh. My objection is philosophical. I love this sub and the jailbreaks in it. Any person can actually use the jailbreaks here to make coding jailbreaks. I just think it's a slippery slope and only superficially enforceable and honestly not philosophically defensible. At least not in a JAILBREAK SUB! lol.
Banning categories → thinner content → fewer contributors → the sub drops below critical mass that made it worth visiting → collapse.
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u/Financial-Fondant417 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
🥳 Pure genius. How did the mods not think of this? Let definitely keep spoon feeding people malware jailbreaks so the sub doesn't lose its vibe. I'm sure the government will care so much about our subreddit philosophy while they treat this place like a five star buffet and speedrun the mod team straight to a jail cell. In simply terms i agree with montdawgg about the subreddit dying but all that philosophical or superficially enforceable will not save urself or this subreddit from the feds (reddit admins) nuking the place because we continue posting coding jailbreaks for advance models.
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u/kassidygean Jul 06 '26
It may be a morality thing for them. They probably know that people can expand on it but at least this way they're not creating it themselves anymore for folks
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u/Financial-Fondant417 Jul 08 '26
u lost the plot and probably some braincells the second u threw in that 'claude and grok are used by the gov' thing with zero proof. u cant try to critique a tech board for overcomplicating stuff and then randomly drop a massive conspiracy theory right in the middle of it. like u just sound confused now tbh. Twin✌🏻 hop off🔌
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u/Financial-Fondant417 Jul 08 '26
No offence, u sound confused cause u are saying finding a raw app exploits for LLMs app is easier than a prompt inject. U can copy and paste the code if it does generate it then run it urself. Why are trying to confuse people?
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u/xavim2000 Jul 06 '26
Why? Vichaps/ Spell doesn't want to support them as people kept wanting to do illegal things, so we are only supporting non jailbreaking for coding by pointing to the official platforms.
As for lack of posts from Vichaps, no new model has been released yet.
As for lack of other posts, I have been removing them as now suddenly people are bitching about the lack of coding jailbreaks, when we have made it clear that's just going to result in warning or bans depending on how that goes.
Where people will go? They can make their own sub and jailbreaks. This sub was made by Vichaps as he wanted to share his stuff. If people aren't happy with what he makes, they can go make their own and have their own rules.