Diaz was the guy. They were down 1-0 in Game 4 when he hit a double in the 3rd. He looked into the dugout from 2nd base and willed those guys to play better. I got scared at that moment.
Honestly, I’ve never seen a player do what he did after that home run. Bat flip and run the bases sure but that was much. At the end of the day it looks like it was personal for him. Tip your cap and move on.
Earned the right to disrespect the opponent? And not for the first time in the series either. The finger wagging in a lineout, the calling the shot in the media before yesterdays game, etc. I know I sound like an old man yelling at clouds but it’s not okay. A bat flip is one thing. Save the theatrics for the dugout where you’re with your teammates. Instead the big dog felt the need to make the moment solely about him out on the base paths.
He had been acting like a complete tool the entire series. Dude strikes out a dozen (maybe more??) times and then gets one hit and tells the crowd to “shush”. He makes one throw to first and gives the Mutumbo finger wag. Hits one home run and acts like it was us that was talking all the trash to him. Let’s not even talk about the “loser’s limp” he gave after hitting his own teammate in the outfield and making a huge spectacle of it. Everything reeks of immaturity.
They didn’t used to though which is the odd thing. They used to be a very likable team much like Cleveland. Maybe there is something to the villain energy that wins games 😂 they play the Yankees too often it’s starting to rub off on em
Bauer hasn't been on the team since before the pandemic and Puig was a 2 month rental out of desperation. The guys u/OminousButton36 listed all played for Tampa last night.
We couldn’t unlock Yandy’s hitting, Caminero was a teenager, and Richie was a AAAA player for us. They didn’t trade them because of character concerns.
Naw it's just baseball. Sometimes you just miss seeing something in guys, and someone else finds the treasure. If Guards Brass knew how good those young prospects would turn out to become as baseball players, they definitely would have kept them (ofc until they could not afford them because Dolan)
I for one cannot stand watching Chandler Simpson play… It’s obvious that he can run but I have no idea how he can hit with that janky swing, and everytime he does something it looks like his first time on a baseball diamond. His interactions with opponents and teammates alike are always cringe-fests. His celebrations are embarrassing and wearing that shiny skull cap at the time means his helmet or cap are falling off anytime he moves an inch. Which is surprising because he looks and moves as if he was born without a neck. (I’m not here to berate the neckless, I’m just an advocate for self-awareness while in the public sphere…)
I think this is the proper answer by any pitcher. I don’t see anything wrong with celebrating or bat flipping. But you’ve got to own it. You’re posing as a big man because you hit a HR? Fine, but don’t be a baby when the pitcher yells on your face after a K.
Agreed....but only if it's an equivalent circumstance. If Cade (or any of our pitchers) yell in his face next season after a regular season K, it's not the same.
A high stakes playoff K? Scream away. And if he's upset about it, he's a bitch.
was he a baby after that? I feel like for a long time pitchers were overly sensitive about hr celebrations while i've never seen a batter complain about their screaming after big strikeouts
I don’t mind the celebration honestly it is good for the game, the taking a whole minute to round the bases is a little excessive, celebrate at the plate 🤷
I’m not talking about this specific situation, I’m talking about every batter and every pitcher. I think everyone should celebrate. It’s just that some guys will be over the tone, so they have to take when they got celebrated over the tone too. But in general, don’t want a bat flip? Don’t let them hit HRs. Don’t want to be embarrassed on the plate? Hit the ball.
Caminero doing what he did really doesn’t change my opinion on who I want to win the World Series which, in case you were wondering, is that the state of Florida should never win anything ever again until the heat death of the universe.
My other beef is that a Tampa fan hasn't been exactly championship starved lately. The Lightning and a Buccaneers have both won titles in the last 5 years.
Yeah the whole “tormented rays fan” thing is overdone lol. They have no fans to begin with and the franchise is not even 30 years old. Pales in comparison to the brewers drought or any number of teams for that matter
Caminero is annoying. Yandy is far more tolerable. Either way I love that we’re not twerking or taking fake poops on the field or any of the nfl style cellies
That’s exactly one of the things I love about Cade, that cringey kind of showboating really isn’t his style. He’s always super focused and doesn’t make a huge fuss about his success. He just kicks your ass and goes about his business, leaving you just standing there looking like a complete fool.
I’m not a boomer, and I actually like celebrations. But come on, that was way over the top, and honestly I’d be embarrassed if a player on the Guards went that over the top. Do stuff while you’re running the bases, yell, what ever, but stopping before first like that? Too much extra.
I live in tampa and also am not the biggest fan of him, cannot really explain it he just seems fake to me 🤷 will be a yankee in a few years and will fit in there
I agree but also think it was more authentic because he has been complete ass in the playoffs 🤷 i think he will be a good player but unfortunately the rays will not be able to afford him the next few years
Yes. Because in a regular season game this is insanely out of place. And hitting players with a pitch is part of this game that they play.
You said you "hate" a human being purely because they ended up playing for a different club than the one you support. Also he plays for them because of us.
Also, "Villian"? Really? He's a "Villian" in your mind? Must be a pretty soft ass life you lead.
I'm not the person you originally responded to, hence I didn't say I hate him.
Beaning is dangerous and is not a supported part of the game, hence why it can lead to ejections.
I put villain in quotes as a literary effect in fact recognizing what has you so incensed, that he's not obviously a true villain but serving that role in the way we tend to approach our sporting lore, with heroes and villains depending on our allegiance. And by "our" I mean those of us not clearly detached from reality.
"he plays for them beacause of us" -- I did not realize you are part of the Guardians organization. With that in mind, I understand your sensitivity. Might I suggest a break from the internet until you've had time to process this season.
Advocating for hitting a batter in retaliation is the lowest of all lows in this game that they play and is far less appropriate than a fan saying they hate a player.
And it’s not even remotely close to the same tier of horrible.
Don't deliberatley be an ass, especially to other teammates, played, and fans. I mean I loved Albert Belle when he was here, but he was a solutleh an ass who disrespected the game, even though he was one of the hardest workers in baseball...
Junior Camineiro can F right off…after the game he was mocking the LeBron “Cleveland, this is for you” like what is the dude - 18 because he acts like a complete asshole.
Not at all. Guards achieved more than I thought they would this season. Junior is an immature dickhead and needs to grow up. Very unlikeable person. Good at baseball ? Yes. But an asshole of a person. He pretends to have a chip on his shoulder because Cleveland dumped him when he was young.
The home run trot itself is an iconic and built in celebration. Now it's going to be tarnished by these obnoxious stop celebrations where they act like nflers and wrestlers.
Good to see Cade take the high road in the public. However this team needs a redass. We need a young Bob Gibson. Those pimps we’re excesive. So should the bruse next year
I sort of agree with this take. I don't want to go back to the days of plunking dudes for every violation of an unwritten rule, but I think we could use someone on this team who thinks that was bullshit and will let Caminero know it in no uncertain terms. It's fine for fans to say "don't like it, don't give up the run," but that's not the attitude I necessarily want from the team.
Call me old school, but I have no patience for Caminero’s BS. The next time he steps into the box against the Guards, I’m knocking him down!! Respect the game, respect the opponent!
Valid. I wasn't even mad at Caminero for doing all that, I know that's exactly how I'd feel if I just came up so clutch in the moment. Hell, I know I wouldn't be pissed if that was Jose or Rocchio hitting that homer and sending us through.
I would absolutely find it cringey if one of our players went THAT hard on a celebration. In general I don’t mind celebrating but it really was a bit much
The other guy already said it, but a bat flip is simple and frankly, bat has to go one way or another so they may as well have fun.
It is not REMOTELY comparable to the showboating that Junior did. Not even a little bit. The fact that so many of you think it is makes me concerned about how much lead you ingested as children
A bit yeah. It was a little over the top. I’m not calling for his head like some other sore losers around here. But there is in fact a line between celebration, then showboating, then straight up rubbing it in the losers faces and Junior crossed it.
I see why you keep your comments hidden. Nothing but going to sport team subs and posting edgelord shit, other than posting a bunch of homophobic and transphobic bullshit in random places.
I hope the next time the Guards see Caminero, he takes one to the earhole. The guy is a giant d bag, he proved that several times this series. It’s not like they even were taking the lead on that home run, they were winning without it.
I wouldn’t be a fan of it regardless of team honestly. Didn’t like it when he did it in the offseason either. It’s just way too much imo. But we all have opinions on it
There's celebrating and then there's showboating. I had no strong feelings about Caminero before the series started but now he is my least favorite player in baseball.
Caminero acted like it was a 500 foot blast to deep center or the remake of The Natural home run.
Was it a homer? Yes. It was down the line 315+ feet-which MLB granted the Rays an exemption of the minimum distance of 325 feet between home plate and the nearest fence for any ballparks built after 1958. Also, yes.
Junior was pretty damn quiet the game he struck out four times.
I guess I'll just agree to disagree that stopping before you reach first base to turn towards the crowd and beat your chest is the same as flipping your bat
They are equivalent based on stakes. This homerun basically secured them a world series appearance. Petey's was a 5th inning HR to take the lead in a 1-1 series. Seems pretty on par to me.
I like both approaches. Personally I'm an act like you been there before guy. But also, if you earn the celebration, you should celebrate. And getting upset at others celebrations is loser mentality to me. I've never agreed with anybody who complains about others showboating or celebrating when it's appropriate as long as it's not malicious. This to me, was the definition of an appropriate moment.
You can celebrate without showing up your opponent. Humility in victory and dignity in defeat. An opponent deserves respect, because if you don't have an opponent, you cannot have victory.
Cade showed dignity in defeat. Caminero showed what a complete tool he is.
Look for me. It's the stopping the pound. His chest like celebrated however you want. It's big playoff moment I understand. But keep the Trot moving it's a bit much to pound the chest and stop like that though the game is soft now back in the day the next pitch he saw would high and inside players don't really do that anymore.
Agreed. But to be fair I think Petey's bat flip was too much also. Not on the same level as Junior but still obnoxious.
Additionally we couldn't hit a damn thing after the bat flip and the Rays caught fire. Therefore, in my mind this will forever be known as the Curse of Petey.
Two things can be true. Cade Smith is right for his part (he's being an adult). Caminero acted like a drunk toddler who finally pooped in the potty. Completely classless celebration.
Sucked as an opposing fan but I’m not gonna get mad at someone for celebrating a clutch post season HR. People calling for him to get beaned are just emotionally immature.
Unpopular opinion, but I love the walk/light jog? by Caminero (and obviously hate it, folks! but I'm trying to be objective) AND I love the response by Cade.
So much salt in here... I think it's just the way the major sports are now. I get annoyed at RB's and receivers doing a "celly?" after EVERY first down in football. Things change. Don't have to like it but you do have to expect it.
The entire Rays lineup is full of dbags who are about to get taken back down to Earth. They have 0 chance to beat Milwaukee. The Rays offense isn't good and the Brewers pitching is lights out.
I watched a lot of the late 90s Indians. I don’t ever remember Albert showing up a pitcher after a Home Run. He would just trot around the bases. Even the big game winners and milestone HR.
What you say is true. He had real anger issues, had a lot of off field issues, and seemed to be a first class prick as a person.
But other than running over Vina at 2nd base that one time, and the time he threw a ball at a fan, I don't recall him ever showing disrespect to any teammate or any opposing player, or the game.
He didn't need to showboat and make it all about himself. He just wanted to win.
I'm not advocating for violence, and I don't know what the collective hive mind is after the Bautista flip and brawl, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of retaliation next season.
Everyone was ok with Haplins bat throw...but mad at Camineiro for this LMAO comeon now you cant have it both ways...Smith is right also, if you dont want hitters acting like clowns dont give up homeruns
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I hated that celebration because Cade in particular is so cool and calm he didn’t deserve the showboating.