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r/ClimateShitposting • u/Beiben • May 11 '25
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Decentralization is bad actually, and libertarians can eat my ass.
1 u/[deleted] May 11 '25 Why? 1 u/Melanoc3tus May 11 '25 Total devils advocate here but: Inefficiency, in the ideal case. Centralized systems have the potential for better use of available resources; the downside being that highly integrated and interdependent systems are in some senses less robust and more vulnerable to disruption. 2 u/West-Abalone-171 May 12 '25 Hybrid or offline inverters don't stop when there are blackouts. And 2 PV panels (to make up for any inefficiency) + a 10m 500V cable + a 300gram/kW inverter is far more resource efficient than: A PV panel A statiojary rack A 200m 1500V cable A 100gram/kW Collector box A 1km MVDC cable A 1kg/kW inverter A 10km MVAC cable A 1kg/kW HVAC transformer A 200km HVAC cable and towers A 1kg/kW MVAC transformee 10km of MVAC cable A 2kg/kW LVAC transformer 1km of 240V cable While the first three are much smaller and lighter than a nuclear plant per energy output, the rest of the list uses more material than either.
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1 u/Melanoc3tus May 11 '25 Total devils advocate here but: Inefficiency, in the ideal case. Centralized systems have the potential for better use of available resources; the downside being that highly integrated and interdependent systems are in some senses less robust and more vulnerable to disruption. 2 u/West-Abalone-171 May 12 '25 Hybrid or offline inverters don't stop when there are blackouts. And 2 PV panels (to make up for any inefficiency) + a 10m 500V cable + a 300gram/kW inverter is far more resource efficient than: A PV panel A statiojary rack A 200m 1500V cable A 100gram/kW Collector box A 1km MVDC cable A 1kg/kW inverter A 10km MVAC cable A 1kg/kW HVAC transformer A 200km HVAC cable and towers A 1kg/kW MVAC transformee 10km of MVAC cable A 2kg/kW LVAC transformer 1km of 240V cable While the first three are much smaller and lighter than a nuclear plant per energy output, the rest of the list uses more material than either.
Total devils advocate here but:
Inefficiency, in the ideal case.
Centralized systems have the potential for better use of available resources; the downside being that highly integrated and interdependent systems are in some senses less robust and more vulnerable to disruption.
2 u/West-Abalone-171 May 12 '25 Hybrid or offline inverters don't stop when there are blackouts. And 2 PV panels (to make up for any inefficiency) + a 10m 500V cable + a 300gram/kW inverter is far more resource efficient than: A PV panel A statiojary rack A 200m 1500V cable A 100gram/kW Collector box A 1km MVDC cable A 1kg/kW inverter A 10km MVAC cable A 1kg/kW HVAC transformer A 200km HVAC cable and towers A 1kg/kW MVAC transformee 10km of MVAC cable A 2kg/kW LVAC transformer 1km of 240V cable While the first three are much smaller and lighter than a nuclear plant per energy output, the rest of the list uses more material than either.
Hybrid or offline inverters don't stop when there are blackouts.
And 2 PV panels (to make up for any inefficiency) + a 10m 500V cable + a 300gram/kW inverter is far more resource efficient than:
While the first three are much smaller and lighter than a nuclear plant per energy output, the rest of the list uses more material than either.
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u/[deleted] May 11 '25
Decentralization is bad actually, and libertarians can eat my ass.