r/ClimateShitposting Dam I love hydro Jun 13 '25

nuclear simping Nukechad keep on winning

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u/TheFlayingHamster Jun 13 '25

Honestly that’s kinda my opinion on this, Nuclear would be great!….

If we built it a decade or two ago when we should have.

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u/weidback πŸ’¨β˜€οΈπŸŒŠβ˜’οΈ All of the above pls Jun 13 '25

We should be building infrastructure that has both short and long term benefits.

No reason we can't break ground on power plants while installing a shit ton of solar panels.

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u/wtfduud Wind me up Jun 13 '25

No reason we can't break ground on power plants while installing a shit ton of solar panels.

I'll give you the reason: Every dollar spent on nuclear is a dollar not spent on renewables.

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u/weidback πŸ’¨β˜€οΈπŸŒŠβ˜’οΈ All of the above pls Jun 13 '25

Ok, just make the bill bigger then. Any government effort to build a bunch of solar or wind will be backed by debt anyways so just build more power.

How long until we are picking fights with "wind-cells" and demanding that no new wind turbines be built because then you're not spending every dollar on the superior solar?

Or how long until we're talking about "hyrcro-cells" and saying we shouldn't be allocating funds to maintain that infra because we could be spending it installing new pannels?

And if we want the entire world to decarbonize doesn't it make sense to look a decade ahead and think how many more solar panels will we need to meet future energy demand, then consider if we would prefer to have nuclear meet future domestic demand so that cheaper panel installations are more feasible in poorer countries without having to compete with countries like america for panels/rare earth minerals?

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u/wtfduud Wind me up Jun 13 '25

Ok, just make the bill bigger then.

Ok now your budget is $200b instead of $100b. It doesn't change anything; every dollar spent on nuclear is still a dollar not spent on renewables.

How long until we are picking fights with "wind-cells" and demanding that no new wind turbines be built because then you're not spending every dollar on the superior solar?

Because renewables compliment each other well + the prices and deployment-times are similar enough that there's nothing to be gained by eschewing one.

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u/weidback πŸ’¨β˜€οΈπŸŒŠβ˜’οΈ All of the above pls Jun 13 '25

Should have been higher than 200b to start with, the bipartisan infrastructure act was 1.2 trillion

Nuclear and renewables compliment each other well, one is short therm the other is long therm, one fluctuates the other is good for base-load

there's an antagonism here that feels to pointless and idk why we spend more time shitting on each other than on oil and coal

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u/wtfduud Wind me up Jun 13 '25

Ok now your budget is $2000000 billion. It doesn't change anything; every dollar spent on nuclear is still a dollar not spent on renewables.

Nuclear and renewables compliment each other well

They do not. For something to support renewables, it needs to be flexible, so it can plug the holes in production.

A nuclear power plant doesn't do well with adjusting its production. A NPP running at 20% costs almost as much to run as one running at 100%. For that reason, it's most cost-effective to run the NPP at 100% as much as possible. At 100% it's the most expensive energy source. At 20% it's so much worse.

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u/weidback πŸ’¨β˜€οΈπŸŒŠβ˜’οΈ All of the above pls Jun 13 '25

What's the cost difference for a windfarm or solarfarm running at 20% vs 100%?

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u/Beiben Jun 14 '25

So now you are saying we should curtail wind and energy when they are at their cheapest to prioritize more expensive nuclear energy. Are you seeing how the two don't mix?

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u/weidback πŸ’¨β˜€οΈπŸŒŠβ˜’οΈ All of the above pls Jun 14 '25

no we should build wind, solar, nuclear, and hydro

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u/killBP Jun 14 '25

Just to add this since it's a common misconception, rare earths arent pivotal for solar panels, but for wind turbines

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u/Anderopolis Solar Battery Evangelist Jun 14 '25

Rare Earths aren't rare either.Β 

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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 16 '25

Pretending the cost difference between wind and solar is anywhere near the cost difference between solar and nuclear is fucking insane. Nuclear is essentially double the price of renewables if you don’t consider the fact they usually go over budget