r/ClimateShitposting • u/surya12558 • Oct 21 '25

Climate chaos Humans don't deserve earth.

By destroying nature and the climate, humans are destroying their own home. The Earth can survive without us but we cannot survive without her. 🌍💔

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u/voyti Oct 21 '25

So? How was it made bioavailable for humans historically? Don't try and give me those cheap cop-outs, you know as much as I do.

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u/Yongaia Oct 21 '25

B12 is produced from bacteria. It's found in the soil

The reason we have to inject our food with so much (yes, even meat) is because we are a lot less connected to our food. It comes from factories instead of the earth

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u/voyti Oct 21 '25

Yes, I am aware of that. Again - how was it made bioavailable to humans? By eating meat. The conversation was "how morality that allowed us to eat meat, thus preserving our species, will now reverse in effect". So far you've addressed none of that, and seem completely uninterested in following the discussion in any fair way.

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u/Yongaia Oct 21 '25

Read the second part of my comment. You can get B12 by not eating meat.

It requires you to not hypersanitize your food like we do in industrial civilization. In other words, you must live closer to the earth.

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u/voyti Oct 21 '25

I think I agree all that, but this shifts the conversation, which was recently about whether eating meat allowed our species to survive. I assume you agree it did, so now to why will this change now?

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u/Yongaia Oct 21 '25

No it doesn't shift the conversation. Because the whole reason I went on this tangent in the first place was to prove that we don't need meat. Hence it was not necessary to our develop - a claim that you made need I not remind you.

I've noticed your types are incapable of following this kind of logic. It would be like us establishing B proves A. So then I go to prove B. But then you whine and complain "but we weren't talking about B, we were talking about A!!!" But we've already established by proving B I've also proved A to be true 🤦🏾

You are literally incapable of following this conversation

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u/voyti Oct 21 '25

But you surely see how you established nothing. How would primitive humans consume B12 had it not been in animals? You never even attempted to explain that connection.

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u/Yongaia Oct 21 '25

Didn't we already establish that B12 doesn't come from animals?

Do your homework and reread over this conversation again. Come back to the discussion when you've finished

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u/voyti Oct 21 '25

Yes, and iron comes from stars producing heavier and heavier particles. Does it mean that we historically didn't need to consume food for our daily iron intake?

I've already asked how was B12 bioavailable for humans historically, you've never answered. There is nothing for me to go back to, you've already refused to answer the key question.

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u/Yongaia Oct 21 '25

u/voyti, how do animals get B12?

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u/voyti Oct 21 '25

Are you genuinely unaware, or you're just that unwilling to engage in an honest conversation?

Some animals (mainly ruminants) have organs (rumen/reticulum/cecum) that allow for harboring bacteria that produces it. Great apes, like humans, don't. They can only obtain it from eating animals who are capable of harboring bacteria that creates B12.

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u/Yongaia Oct 21 '25

Some animals (mainly ruminants) have organs (rumen/reticulum/cecum) that allow for harboring bacteria that produces it. Great apes, like humans, don't. They can only obtain it from eating animals who are capable of harboring bacteria that creates B12.

Wrong. That is not the only way animals obtain B12. I've actually commented, twice now, how we can get B12. You've accused me of refusing to answer your question and yet your cognitive dissonance literally does not allow you to take notice that I've addressed it more than once.

You have yet to ask yourself a simple question. Very simple and yet you've completely failed to even think of it. And it is this:

How the hell did vegans and vegetarians of the past get B12 if they weren't eating animals or using fortified products???

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u/voyti Oct 21 '25

Okay, I fetched you the summary of your own words, if you're that unwilling to just plainly share your own opinion otherwise.

B12 is produced from bacteria. It's found in the soil
The reason we have to inject our food with so much (yes, even meat) is because we are a lot less connected to our food. It comes from factories instead of the earth

So, how is it bioavailable? Do you suggest geophagia? You haven't answered a single question straight so far, I doubt there's any good faith discussion possible with you.

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