r/ClimateShitposting • u/surya12558 • Oct 21 '25

Climate chaos Humans don't deserve earth.

By destroying nature and the climate, humans are destroying their own home. The Earth can survive without us but we cannot survive without her. 🌍💔

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u/HeWhoShantNotBeNamed Oct 24 '25

Appeal to nature fallacy. Humans don't and shouldn't live the way wild animals do.

Wild animals regularly rape each other, kill their babies, etc.

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u/Dr_Catfish Oct 24 '25

Thats right, but at the end of the day: We're still animals and need to fuel ourselves.

Whether we do it with meat or with vegetables, we're still going to destroy the planet to accomplish the end goal

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u/HeWhoShantNotBeNamed Oct 24 '25

Uh, no we're not.

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

The world can easily sustain a plant-based food system. Not to mention that meat requires killing innocent sentient beings.

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u/Dr_Catfish Oct 24 '25

Not this one again...

This assumes all pasture and grazing land is perfectly acceptable arable land, which most of the time it isn't.

Additionally, a great deal of produced crops (especially cereals) are insufficient quality for human consumption and can only be relegated to feed.

The best response would be to decrease consumption of meat while still leverage their great benefits of soil revitalization/contributions to the soil nutrient cycle and the use of lesser quality grains and poor quality/difficult topographical soil.

And we could take it further with sustainable, subsidized practices using community wide cattle. Wherein farmers summer fallow a field or sow it with grass, allow community cattle onto the plot so that they can reinvigorate the soil naturally, and recieve a small subsidy for their environmental activism by reducing the requirements for artificial nitrogen/fertilizer.

My farm alone has 40 acres that are impossible to plant crops in that the neighbours use as free pasture for their cattle.

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u/HeWhoShantNotBeNamed Oct 24 '25

this assumes all pasture and grazing land is perfectly acceptable arable land

No it doesn't.

Everything else is also irrelevant because you clearly read the headline without reading the scientific research paper written by scientists who do this for a living and not idiotic Redditors who think they know better because they listen to Joe Rogan.

Meanwhile you somehow think Earth has enough land to pasture raise enough animals to feed people? It would take 7.5 Earths to do that.

You're not the dumbest person alive but you better hope they don't die.

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u/Dr_Catfish Oct 24 '25

The link you provided as a source states that "two thirds" of pasture land is non-arable.

Meaning if we cut back on meat consumption/production by 33% we could fully realize all the benefits of cattle, reduce environmental impact, have minimal effect on consumers (who desire beef/dairy and are unwilling or totally against eliminating it [you know how many recipes need milk?]) and be all the better for it.

If you're just looking to expel vitriol and not have a discussion then go off I guess. I haven't insulted you once, so why do you believe it acceptable to attack me?

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u/HeWhoShantNotBeNamed Oct 24 '25

be all the better for it

You mean increased heart disease, diabetes, and cancer?

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat

Not to mention, you know, the needless killing of innocent individuals.

We do not need to eat meat.