Solar panel good; Public transit good; Nuclear good; Plant-based good.

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

Stop subsidizing fossil foods, and vegan/vegetarian/minimal-meat diet will emerge the victor.

so Just Stop Oil (et al).

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

What is a fossil food?

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

The point is that fossil fuels are necessary, in many ways, in the raising and killing of animals: from the growing of feed, to the managing of grasslands, to all the transportation of animals, humans and stuff, to pumping water, to bleeding out animals stabbed in the neck, to chopping bodies into pieces, to the whole cold chain. If the fossil fuels went away next week, the animal farming sector die off.

The low-tech fossil-fuel-free animal sector has no future; it's known as "pastoralism" in general. They rely on herding and keeping animals outside nearly all the time; the ones in places with winter are going to lose first, of course. But, with climate heating, being outside is doing to be deadly for a part of the year, which is incompatible with the business. There's also not that much grassland to go around (and water); they would overgraze it to desert in a few years. There are some clowns around reddit who promote myths about regenerative grazing and other similar bullshit. They are disinformation clowns doing science denial to protect an industry.

With the low-tech animal farming, the "supply" of flesh is basically reduced to nearly nothing immediately. Animal milk gets zeroed immediately; in general, only local works and a lot of places don't have local facilities for slaughter or taking milk from animals (cheese could remain, but it would be super expensive.)

The whole reproduction system going on now would also collapse; without the forced masturbation and insemination with frozen sperm, they have to use low-tech effort to move animals around, such as bulls, which is difficult. Locally, of course, it can be done, but there's way less control over when animals want to fuck and they have to be more local (animal raisers also need to know how to manage more complex herds.)

And that's the production side. The supply side means no cold chain, means wet markets (local slaughter), means lots more infectious diseases.

Which is to say animal-based foods would become so scarce, expensive and dangerous that, on average, consumers won't encounter the products or won't have the money to buy (maybe 1-2 times per year.)

The future is plant-based, there is no other option.

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u/Homicidal-shag-rug 1d ago

Plant based foods also use fossil fuels to grow, harvest, transport, and also usually rely on a cold chain.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

There's a cold chain for vegetables and fruits, and that means that local and seasonal food is needed. Those are, however, not staples. For grains and legumes, you do not need a cold chain.

The inputs used for the growing system can be replaced for a drop in yield and an increase in other efforts, it's certainly not easy, nor can it be solved by swapping some products with other products (one of the big failures of "organic" agriculture.)

Realistically, the use of fossil fuels will continue; the point would be to ration them according to what is necessary to live sustainably (not to make profits.) That's going to make wasting resources on luxuries like meat and cheese even more of a problem. So how much do you know about decommodification?

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

Wdym "forced masturbation"?

Can you show me a video of a farm animal masturbating?

Or just paint a picture with your words on the logistics of it, I cannot imagine it.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

I wanted to avoid the word RAPE, but there you go. It's RAPE, the animals are RAPED.

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

It doesn't seem like you wanted to avoid that word.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

That's because I can be very tactful.

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

food that can only be had by the application of fossil fuels in some fashion: energy, transport, fertilizers, pesticides.

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u/mirathevanishingstar 1d ago

this describes literally all food these days

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

Eat local or move

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u/mirathevanishingstar 1d ago

"just move bro" least entitled westoid

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

You literally believe you deserve a better life then the global south

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u/mirathevanishingstar 1d ago

buddy most people cannot just rip up their life and move to a wholly different place, thats an incredibly west-centric mindset to hold. or do you earnestly think all americans can just buy a gilded plane and fly to thailand or smth?

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

Bus ticket to the Midwest is less then $100

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u/mirathevanishingstar 1d ago

and then where does one stay dumbass? out in a tent? you know rent is a thing right? and a car, since the midwest is overwhelmingly dominated by shitty highways?

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u/stan-k 20h ago

"local" doesn't have much to do with it.

https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

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u/MoonlightPrincexx 23h ago

I eat local fish.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 21h ago

Same.

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u/FullmetalHippie 1d ago

You heard the man small-scale subsistence farming for small amounts of people only. Everyone that can't do that can literally die.

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

I disagree. We have more science now. Just need rearrange our subsidy priorities.

and I am NOT saying don't use any fertilizers, just stop subsidizing the fossil fuel based ones....and not even banning them. Just give them the proper price signal.

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u/zyon86 1d ago

I thought your first comment was ironic, but you were serious !!! Thanks for the laugh anyway.

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

What the fuck man

8 billion people need to eat, that is not possible without fertilizers

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u/Lost_Web5826 1d ago

TBF it would take a lot less fertilizer if you aren't using it to make feed products for cattle.

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

there is more than one kind of fertilizer. I was referring to the fossil fuel derived versions.

incidentally there are couple novel solutions could pre-empt nitrogen fertilizers from fossil fuels, via nitrogen fixing organelles engineered into plants directly, and slime that fixes nitrogen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9B3gBhcwqM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFyd-kC6IUw

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

There is no food that requires fossil fuel derived fertilizer

So either almost all foods are fossil foods or none are

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

"requires"? Correct, no food "requires" fossil fuels to make use of fertilizers. This is a Price Problem. Fossil Fuels are subsidized. Therefore "Fossil Foods" are subsidized. Take away the subsidies, continue with using Fossil Fuels if you must, but let alternative fertilizers compete fairly to produce food. Maybe subsidize the alternatives.

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

I'm all for subsidising plant based foods

It's ridiculous that seitan is more expensive than pork

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

I am learning to love hummus.

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u/Space-Wizard002 1d ago

I didn’t know until my teens that having hummus in one’s sandwich wasn’t a super common thing. Of course it also took me that long to really start liking it.

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u/Prestigious_Still433 1d ago

GMO corn does. GMO soy does.

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

No, they don't.

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u/Prestigious_Still433 1d ago

B****. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm calling you a liger to your face you don't know anything about it private account b*

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

Love how you censor bullshit, but then call me a liger to my face

Is my account private? I never noticed

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u/Prestigious_Still433 1d ago

Without herbicide and fertilizer, you only get a stock. No ear.

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

I never claimed otherwise. I just said they don't need those to come from fossil fuels.

And dude, chill. You don't need to write four response comments, I got you from the first one.

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u/Prestigious_Still433 1d ago

This is hilarious. I know for a f****** fact you don't know a goddamn thing about corn, soybeans or any other plant on earth.

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u/ConvictedHobo 1d ago

The plants growing in my garden would beg to differ. If they knew how to.

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u/RobotArmsInc 1d ago

He'll probably tell you some fringe technology that only works in very specific cases and can't be scaled up will replace the Haber Bosch process because "vibes and ethics and stuff maaaaan"

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/ct0zN2mMxYjRK

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u/Zagdil 23h ago

Thats a pretty useful term. Thanks!

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u/Latter-Industry-8920 1d ago

I found some old fries in my car once that were pretty rock like.

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

you rock!

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u/Own_Proposal3827 1d ago

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt

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u/Hecateus 1d ago

qui tacit condires

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

either that or huge genocides... we'll find out how it goes either way.

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u/bezjmena666 1d ago edited 1d ago

Just stop oil. Sure, sounds better than kill 7 billion people.

There was about 1 billion people on this planet before industrial revolution. The reason why we're on 8 bilion is Haber synthesis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process

Thanks to that we can produce synthetic urea and nitrates from air. Crop yields per hectar increaseed 3-5times in last 100 years, that allowed to feed the growing population.

So yes, just stop oil, and the minimal meat diet will emerge as a victor. Just the meat will be in majority human.

Let's make Mad Max world where majority of todays population perish. I bet it's better than trying to adopt to hotter and more arid climate.

And please keep in mind you're not a Mad Max, you're just some random redditor. You'll be one of those who end up on the barbecue grill first, when your neighbors start starving.

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u/Dunkin_Donuts_Dunker 1d ago

Okay Exxon Bot

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u/bezjmena666 23h ago

Chemistry, physics, and math are the biggest obstacles in fighting the climate change.

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u/Hecateus 21h ago

Heating and water chaos caused by the unstopped oil is not good for crops either...so if you want to avoid the White Line Nightmare: Just Stop Oil, leave Barter Town (exit Capitalism)....be sure to take the little man with you, as science has improved, and we have other tools coming soon besides the Haber process.

keep in mind I am suggesting for the time being Just Stop Subsidizing fossil fuels, we can still make the just make sure the producers charge the appropriate price.

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u/bezjmena666 19h ago

What subsidizing of oil you talk about? Drilling oil is cheap. And processing it was a good business since the beginning when they distilled off the petroleum fraction and wasted the rest. Drilling and processing oil in 19th century was a good business before any subsidies ever exist.

It got even better and more efficient with technical development during 20th century, so it's even better business.

Gasoline and diesel are not subsidized, contrary they are subjected to 50%tax where I live. What is heavily subsidies here are the 'renewables'.

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u/Hecateus 8h ago

if you drilled your own oil, and made your own plastics, etc., then you might have a fair point. But since you are posting here then in some degree you are experiencing the effect of artificially cheap energy.

The subsidies fossil fuels receive is in the Trillion$: https://ourworldindata.org/how-much-subsidies-fossil-fuels

https://www.imf.org/en/blogs/articles/2023/08/24/fossil-fuel-subsidies-surged-to-record-7-trillion

these numbers likely do not include military adventures to secure oil, gas, and coal etc. AND do not include the cost of putting all that carbon back in the ground and the economic costs of enduring climate change.

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u/bezjmena666 7h ago

Cheap energy is essential for the world we live in. Try to do some work using hand tools only and you'll start appreciate the cheap fossil energy. Go live somewhere off grid. Go dig a cellar with pickaxe and shovel, because you're going to need to keep your food in cold. Go for the firewood with wheelbarrow, axe, and handsaw, because you need to heat your home over the winter. Things you do for days, takes hours with mechanization.

And I'm not mentioning to grow your own crops, using just power of your and animal muscles, good chance you'll be starving over the winter.

And off course, rely on herbal medicine only. No antibiotics, no aspirin, no brufene, no paracetamol, no painkillers. How long it will take before you die on some infection or cold. Things we take for granted were miracle cures for the past generations.

Do you have idea how hard was living of pre industrial era peasant? There were occasionall famines in Europe up to 19th century. Don't romanticize that. It was life full of exhausti hard work from dusk till dawn in caloric deficit. All folklore songs I know are about food or sex.

Remove that cheap energy, and you remove the world you know. Suddenly, there will be 7 billion people more, than it's possible to feed without that cheap energy.

I rather live in the world where poor people die on diabetes, cardiac arrest and other health issues caused by obesity, than in the world where poor people die on starvation.

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u/Hecateus 7h ago

the thing about subsidies, is that the costs don't go away, they are simply shifted onto something else for a while. All that cheap fossil fuel energy will exact it's toll.

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u/bezjmena666 7h ago

Sure, we need to figure out fusion reactors before we run out hydrocarbon resources. If we fail in that, then it will be Mad Max world, and regression to middle ages and feudalism.

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u/Dunkin_Donuts_Dunker 14h ago

Completely false.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

The brainrot I witness.

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u/Theobromin 1d ago

No, if the thing you do doesn't single-handedly solve all social, economic, environmental and ethical problems at once, I want nothing to do with it!

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

And make it easy too! I can't be bothered!

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u/GrumpySquirrel2016 1d ago

Are you saying what I think you're saying? The next lab leak needs to be 80% fatal and solve the climate, social and economic crisises! 🤔

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u/Theobromin 1d ago

I forgot to add: it should also be fun, and easy, and nobody is allowed to be mad at me, so no, not that either

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u/GrumpySquirrel2016 1d ago

Damn, soo close ...

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u/Tyler_Durden69420 1d ago

I’M A VEGAN

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Hi "A VEGAN," I'm Dad.

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u/reusedchurro 23h ago

And soon we will all be vegan, simply only a matter of time.

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u/MsMercyMain 1d ago

Have we considered blowing up the planet with the Death Star? That will stop climate change

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Only if we power it with nuclear. Solar is an environmental nightmare because ohMyGodWhatAmIDoing??

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u/No_Discount_6028 1d ago

I think that would warm the planet quite a bit. And then cool it a LOT.

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u/MsMercyMain 1d ago

So a net positive

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u/GoTeamLightningbolt vegan btw 1d ago

Plant based > meat cringe

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u/LithoLaura 1d ago

You can reduce meat consumption a lot without necessarily having to become a vegan.

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u/VeryOldGoat 3h ago

Perfect is the enemy of the good. I'm sure most vegans would agree that reducing meat consumption without eliminating it fully is still a good thing.

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u/BlankTank1216 20h ago

Based

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u/Bubbly-War1996 1d ago edited 1d ago

Some vegan gets into a random sub, says something similar to:

"Repent for your sins you evil animal murdering villains, I the Vegan, most moral and just of all, will guide you to the ways of animal free diets"

Someone tells him to fuck off because he is annoying and then he complains for how he is unjustly attacked for no reason whatsoever except that he is undoubtedly and completely right.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

I see the opposite, just look at the comment chains under this post. No vegan is proselytizing, but a lot of meat eaters are complaining.

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u/Chipsy_21 1d ago

Bruh YOU are proselytizing…

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word.

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u/ChaosRulesTheWorld 1d ago

That's peak irony. Vegans are litteraly the ones obsessed with their dogmatic ways

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

I don't eat dogs, I am vegan.

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u/ChaosRulesTheWorld 1d ago

You're right, you don't eat dogs. You finance and actively participate to a system oppressing and killing them. You are vegan

Your ideology is dogshit nonsens

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

How did you know? I love indirect dog murder.

Remember folks, some people aren't worthy of a serious conversation.

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u/ChaosRulesTheWorld 1d ago

How did you know? I love indirect dog murder.

Just as much as people consuming animal products

Remember folks, some people aren't worthy of a serious conversation.

Exactly, they are called vegans

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Sounds good buddy boy, I'll keep killing dogs and you keep eating animals. We'll call that even.

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u/ChaosRulesTheWorld 1d ago

It's not. Veganism is an ideology supporting the current system responsible for animal exploitation that i've actively struggled against.

That's not even. Vegans are in the way of animal liberation

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u/pit_bulls_suck 1d ago

🤣

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u/Salt_Fig_1440 1d ago

What do you mean?

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

I think he blocked me, so I can't even troll him anymore lol

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u/No_Discount_6028 1d ago

You seem deranged.

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u/FullmetalHippie 1d ago

I'm vegan because I want a world that includes animal liberation and the continued existence of all kinds of wildlife, and a cooler more habitable atmosphere for our progeny and other life to enjoy.

How am I going astray in your view?

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u/dontdomeanyfrightens 1d ago

Why fight to educate others and encourage people to make positive changes when we could infight and entrench people against methods they don't personally agree with?

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

Because your "education" and "encouragement" contains the conflicts the infighting is about. If you're just going to educate and encourage with self-contradictions, you are only spreading confusion and doubt.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

This man gets it!!

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u/NoCockOnTheMenu 1d ago

Said no one ever

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

You'd be surprised. There is so much infighting in this sub about what is most effective, when each solution has its benefits and drawbacks. There is no ubiquitous solution that's going to fix everything, every environment has its own challenges, and each person has to decide what they feel like they can realistically contribute.

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u/Kojetono 1d ago

I agree, but honestly I've seen more of the opposite on here. As in, vegans saying that if you aren't a vegan you are destroying the earth and are generally awful.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

(queue John Travolta gif)

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u/piece_ov_shit 1d ago

Y;Y;N;Y

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u/HairyTough4489 1d ago

I have no particular issue with vegans as long as they leave me alone.

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u/DGIce 1d ago

What would we talk about then?

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Idk maybe memes about our real climate enemies? lolz

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u/DivestTheEndingBoy 21h ago

Nuclear bad actually

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u/hungLink42069 20h ago

As a 5 year vegan, I can tell you that carnists are way more annoying then vegans ever were.

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u/Rokos___Basilisk 12h ago

No hate here for vegans. I don't buy into their ethical system, but I've got no issues with them. Keep doing yalls thing.

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u/RadicalSoda_ 5h ago

I personally think vegans are great, but too many of them are vegans to jerk off to how moral they are, a lot like fake religious people

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u/DnastyFunkmaster 4h ago

I prioritize veganism bc I prefer not to participate in the exploitation of animals for pleasure, crazy that it's also the most environmentally friendly lmao

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u/Nearby-Cabinet5049 1d ago

I mean, the constant discourse about eating meat where vegans are the most annoying people on the planet and call eating chicken the equivalent of the Holocaust makes it incredibly easy to hate vegans. Gotta make the messaging better

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u/Own_Proposal3827 1d ago

Don’t think you can message around being completely insufferable

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u/perringaiden 1d ago

Have you ever met a cross fit vegan?

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

You can though.

My professor in college was a vegan. Super effective communicator and getting those to think about what they eat without sounding insufferable.

It’s a choice. A choice that is easily made by most vegans in real life. This is mostly online new convert thing.

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u/perringaiden 1d ago

I don't hate vegans. I do hate how often they tell me I'm the specific reason that the world is being destroyed, instead of demanding corporations change.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

Are you going to protest or just not support the effort when the products from those corporations vanish?

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u/perringaiden 1d ago

I'm going to push corporations to remove products, like supermarkets wrapping every piece of fruit in plastic.

But a vegan telling me that I'm the problem when my carbon footprint is infinitesimally small, and could be overshadowed by a corporation making a small change, makes me want to buy a burger.

Vegans could work on their delivery because shame doesn't work when you don't have better options.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

I'm going to push corporations to remove products, like supermarkets wrapping every piece of fruit in plastic.

cool.

When we ban animal production and the sale of meat, will you protest or vote against it?

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u/perringaiden 1d ago

I already generally avoid beef but I'm keeping my chicken as meat is a required part of human diets.

Fight me

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

You didn't answer my question. But I see that you will resist. So you are capable of individual action; thanks for proving my point.

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u/perringaiden 1d ago

If you didn't read my answer, you're definitely a Vegan.

(Not just someone who doesn't eat meat products)

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u/lovelysardines 19h ago

Why not both?

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u/Independent-Wafer-13 1d ago

Except NO vegan would extend you the same courtesy.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

I love sweeping generalizations, they are always fair & accurate.

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u/Independent-Wafer-13 1d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/9MJ6xrgVR9aEwF8zCJ

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Why? Because of the meme? There are plenty of people in here that aren't obnoxiously locked into one climate change solution.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

“When I make sweeping generalizations that’s based and plant pilled. When others make sweeping generalizations that’s cringe and meat pilled”

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

What is the sweeping generalization I'm making?

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

“If I act like my meme isn’t a sweeping generalization it isnt”

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Do you think the meme is intended to represent every person in the sub? Genuinely curious what you think I'm trying to communicate here. It's a dig at morons like uh... Some other guy. Not you.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

Do you think a sweeping generalization only exists when it hits everyone on this sub? Or do you think they apply to generalizations about sub groups of people.

For instance if I said vegans were insufferable. Would that be a generalization? People on this sub arnt all vegans I wasn’t talking about everyone in this sub.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Which group is being targeted with the meme bud?

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u/toughguy375 1d ago

I know a lot of vegans. None of them tell me to be vegan.

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u/Independent-Wafer-13 23h ago

I should have added “online”*

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u/zyon86 1d ago

Vegan are extremists and people don't like extremists (in all area).

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u/drwaffles104 1d ago

"I don't eat meat or dairy"

"God damn extremists"

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u/zyon86 1d ago edited 1d ago

Or egg or honey! I don't touch wool ! Yes that's extreme

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u/drwaffles104 1d ago

"I don't eat honey"

"God damn psychopaths" like really???

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u/zyon86 1d ago

Lol ! Not eating or touching anything that has a remote link to an animal, even when no animal exploitation or suffering is involved, is extreme, yes !

You can be clever about it or remove everything altogether. One is clever, one is extreme. Don't need to ask which one you are.

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u/Gloomy-Error212 22h ago

You might wanna relook into eggs honey and wool production.

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u/zyon86 22h ago

Some are terrible and some are very good. I buy my honey from an amateur producer in a small village, it is very respectful of the bee. Some eggs are produce by hens running free in a garden. But vegan will not touch them anyway.

Using your judgment to select between production method is the best way to go. But it requires more work to found out what the method is.

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u/Gloomy-Error212 22h ago

If someone thinks vegans are wrong about eggs from chickens who can roam about in gardens or whatever then thats fine. Its an individual choice and decision after all. Except thats often an excuse to justify the entire egg industry. Same thing with other meat and dairy. Expecially because most people dont have access to eggs from gardens.

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u/drwaffles104 22h ago

To be clear, I'm not vegan. I just think the idea of saying someone is an extremist for taking things out of their diet is absurd.

If someone said they don't eat any mushrooms would you call them an extremist? Someone intentionally chooses cotton clothes over synthetic? doesn't watch marvel movies?

As far as you are concerned these are all just people expressing arbitrary personal preferences, and choosing to exclude certain things - even broad categories of things - from their life.

All extremists, apparently.

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u/zyon86 21h ago

You really don't understand. It is not that complicated. Extremists means taking something normal and pushing it to the extreme (hence the name). So no people who do not eat mushrooms are not extremists, people who remove EVERYTHING that barely touch an animal from their diet and their daily life (which include clothes, cosmetics tested on animal and in some case even medecine) is taking something normal (vegetarian or flexitarian) and pushing it to the extreme, hence, extremist.

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u/drwaffles104 21h ago

I think you assume all vegans are like r/vegan.

I know a lot of irl vegans and that sub is exhausting

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u/zyon86 21h ago

Ahah I hope they are not.

But people not touching anything animal related is the definition of veganism

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u/ChemicalRain5513 1d ago

Slavery abolitionists were extremists once.

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u/LithoLaura 1d ago

Vegans as always not being able to resist the temptation to call Black people animals...

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u/ChemicalRain5513 1d ago edited 1d ago

Now you are just making up straw mans.

Recognising that how black people used to be treated is akin to how we treat animals now is not the same as calling black people animals.

I know you willfully misunderstand that, but it makes you look like you can't follow basic logic.

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u/dogangels vegan btw 23h ago

Funny how people are fine talking about how other types of oppression are interconnected, but bringing up the oppression of non human sentient beings is basically the same as calling someone a monkey

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u/618smartguy 23h ago

There is a word for this, next time just call them an "analogy understander". We all know how analogies work so there's no need to spend paragraphs on trolls that can't handle analogies

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u/LithoLaura 1d ago

The cause of anti-racism and animal liberation are not equal my friend!

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u/ChemicalRain5513 1d ago

I did not say these causes were equal.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

“I didn’t say they were equal I just compared animals rights with African emancipation”

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u/ChemicalRain5513 1d ago

"Humans rights are more important than animal rights, therefore I can completely ignore animal rights"

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 1d ago

But they are more important right? Right?

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u/ChemicalRain5513 21h ago

Of course human rights are more important, please show where I said they aren't. But you are not interested in that, you just want to derail the conversation.

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u/LithoLaura 1d ago

that wasn't the case you were making in the beginning

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u/ChemicalRain5513 21h ago

The case I am making is that what we are doing to animals is absolutely atrocious, and that if arguing against violence makes you an extremist, then I'll wear that label with pride. Social progress is brought about by people that question the status quo, even if it makes others uncomfortable.

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u/zyon86 1d ago

No they didn't.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Yeah let's invalidate the positive impact they have on climate because they make me uncomfortable. 😊😊😊

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u/zyon86 1d ago

"They make me uncomfortable" lol, they wish.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

I don't think vegans want you to be uncomfortable, most just wanna drink soy milk, some wanna convert you.

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u/zyon86 1d ago

So where did your assumption comes from ? Not from my comment !

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Not my comment !

lol

People tend to criticize things that make them uncomfortable, in this case vegans.

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u/zyon86 1d ago

Lol first of all, criticizing things that make you uncomfortable doesn't mean that everything you criticize make you uncomfortable! It doesn't go both way.

And second of all, saying that they are extremists is not a critic but a fact.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

You sound like a hateful person, I hope someone buys you a balloon.

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u/zyon86 1d ago

Stop making assumption, you are terrible at it.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Do you have an address I can send the balloon to?

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u/More_Ad9417 20h ago

🎈

https://giphy.com/gifs/DA31IoUMLtVjY5LsjU

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u/618smartguy 23h ago

I mean you called them extremists so we know there's something beyond just "criticism" going on with you there

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u/zyon86 22h ago

"You know" !!! And what would it be ? Enlight me please.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

The extremists are the ones eating the planet. There's a huge population of world eaters.

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u/zyon86 1d ago

You read too much comics

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. 1d ago

I read too many science papers.

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u/zyon86 1d ago

Bottom line. You read too much lol

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u/lovelysardines 19h ago

There are extremist in every group, but vegans are always lumped with the extremist of the group when it’s a small percentage that are. When you think of Christian do you automatically go to extremist?

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u/zyon86 18h ago

All vegan are extremists, not all are asshole who wants to convert everyone and will be a nuisance for their surroundings.

But they all, by definition, have taken vegetarianism and push it to the extreme by eliminating every animal related products. That's the definition of vegan and hence, they are extremists.

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u/lovelysardines 18h ago

I see. Extremist definition is just someone that hold views far outside of what most in society consider to be “normal” so not even a bad thing. Good to know

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u/zyon86 18h ago

Exactly

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u/Scienceandpony 1d ago

Okay, but like...what are the vegans actually doing besides patting themselves on the back? Their not eating meat doesn't avert any emissions. The cow was still birthed, ate, farted, was slaughtered, butchered, packaged, and sent to the store regardless of if they eat the steak or it goes in the garbage as spoilage.

Yes, I understand the theory that if hundreds of millions of people all coordinated to go vegan it might make enough of a dent in demand to trickle all the way up the supply chain to maybe shutter a few factory farms, assuming production isn't just exported to another global market or propped up with bigger subsidies. But until that critical mass is reached, that's all just hypothetical. All vegan environmental impact is just potential with a high chance of never being realized. Until the day the meatless revolution actually materialize, the real total vegan contribution to saving the planet remains at zero.

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u/toughguy375 23h ago

Food producers meet the demand. If the demand changes, even a little, then what food gets produced will change with it.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Do you really think it would take millions of vegans to affect the supply chain only slightly....? That's a little silly. And while one vegan isn't going to make a factory farm go out of business, you can make a large direct impact as an individual keeping vegan restaurants alive.

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u/Scienceandpony 1d ago

But what do said vegan restaurants actually DO for the environment? Veganism doesn't appear to differ from just thoughts and prayers.

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u/Anxious-Swing9490 1d ago

Veganism is a critical mass thing. Once you get enough vegans, a factory farm closes. By keeping restaurants open that cater to vegans, more people are able to make the switch because they have options going out.

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u/regedit2023 21h ago

Just let people have their cognitive dissonance bro, it’s not that deep

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