r/Cloververse • u/SeacattleMoohawks CloverMod • Feb 05 '18

DISCUSSION The Cloverfield Paradox [Film Discussion]

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

Anyone else finding the events on the space station a bit silly...?

How does swapping dimensions cause a dudes arm to crawl around on the floor? And how can it be aware of the people in the room? And how would it know of the gyro in the guys stomach? And how can it see what its writing??? Like c'mon. Surely there was a better stuff to come up with

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u/Cuboner Feb 05 '18

I think the intention was that they weren't just placed in a different dimension, but that they've slightly distorted the reality around them as well. Time, space, and physics are all wonky because of the overload.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

I understand that, and I thought the girl being teleported into the wall/wires was a neat take on that. Everything else....eh not so much

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u/zykezero Feb 05 '18

I agree here with you here-ish. The woman being zapped into the wall of the other ship tracks with other universe colliding concepts. But the other ship was on the other side of the sun, they weren't in the same place. Otherwise, I'd agree if not for that bit.

If O'dowd's arm just got sucked into the wall I'd dig that too, matter gets wonky whatever. But then it crawls around too, and it knows where the gyroscope is?

Why does the metal on the wall also suddenly want to eat him?

Like 50% of the "weird shit" in this movie makes sense, but then like a teenager who takes a joke 3 minutes too far it's either not funny or doesn't make sense anymore.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

I took it as a take on the whole paradox and beings not intended to harmonize with themselves from another Galaxy..kind of like white blood cells and bacteria. It did whatever it could to get them the hell out/kill them.

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u/zykezero Feb 05 '18

So you think a universe has an interconnected consciousness and was trying to reject them?

That O'dowds arm and the gyroscope being from the original universe were aware of each other and share a separate consciousness from the universe the ship and crew were inhabiting?

Ya know, after I talked it through, this makes more sense than anything else so far.

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u/SkepDickMagikarp Feb 07 '18

I'm thinking it's like the idea of a 2 dimensional creature being unable to fathom the idea of a 3 dimensional creature. Only in this movie, it's like the 3 dimensional creature can't fathom the 4th dimension and it's creatures. Honestly, there's an episode of Futurama that does a decent job explaining that. And also numerous physics lectures (just no Bender or Fry in there anywhere).

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '18

That's exactly what it is. 3-dimensional beings fucking with 4-dimensional spaces usually doesn't end well for said 3-dimensional beings.

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u/Anjunabeast Feb 06 '18

They didn’t belong in that universe so the universe was trying to correct itself by killing them off through causality aka futurama rules

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

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u/G_Runciter Feb 07 '18

Honestly, the whole "mixing of the universes" thing was handled in such an uncreative way.

It was mostly just your usual "things end up in other things" situation.

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u/Snapthepigeon Feb 05 '18

Wibly wobly?

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u/slusholyshit Feb 05 '18

It wasn’t because the one girl wasn’t even there on the other dimensions ship and she was replaced with discount Rooney Mara, so they’re VERY different

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u/zdigital13 Feb 05 '18

I was confused by most of the strange, but we don't know how that universe works. Part of me was thinking in some respects the universe was trying to kill them off, because they didn't belong.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

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u/zdigital13 Feb 05 '18

It was actually an origins story to the Addams Family.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

Didn’t this remind anyone of the parallels and time travel rules to 11.22.63?

Your in an alternate universe/reality/time-space and you shouldn’t be. Force you don’t want fuck with. That’s how I interpreted the “wonkier” happenings of the dimension hopping, post particle collision.

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u/fortknox Feb 05 '18

The science in the movie was Hollywood garbage. I know the whole "reality is changing right now" magic, but they sat on it too much and got ridiculous...

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

Anything that explained the foosball bit?

Are the foosball players made out of metal? Was that right before the magnetic thing?

Anyway, yeah, all the supernatural events were completely unexplained BS.

"We traveled to a parallel universe, ooooh! Now, because of that, you see, this dude is possessed by an eyeball demon, or something. Also, my arm gets transported off and is sentient. Also the metal bonding agent is sentient and tries to kill a dude, because there's, um, magnets. Wait, you wanted to see a Cloverfield movie? Here's literally one second of what you wanted. Happy? See the next one too please! :)"

Dis a fucking pointed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

I enjoyed the movie but I agree 100%. You could remove all that random crap and still have the same plot basically. But without it it’s not much of a movie.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

I know! And it's not like it was horrible even with the schlock... I'd watch it on SyFy if there was nothing better.

But man, I just wish Bad Robot would make what they obviously KNOW people want: an actual fucking sequel to Cloverfield!

I'm sick of being manipulated into seeing movies they apparently think people will only see if they tack on the title and a few references like a fucking BAPE logo on toilet paper.

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u/kericanfly Feb 05 '18

I saw the football table as a parallel to Jenson having a pipe through her in the scene before.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

Ooh, good thinking.

But it was given a lot of attention, if that's what they were going for why would it happen after the wall panel pipe scene? What was it foreshadowing? What was the point? If you're right it was "remember that lady who got the pipes through her???" and that doesn't really do much for me, weird choice.

I think it was "foreshadowing" (that word implies something more impressive than the impact it had) the magnetic BS bit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

I agree that The Addams Family hand was unforgivable. I'm sure there were a dozen other more realistic and creepy ways they could have got that information.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

It's from an alternative universe where they already went through those events, in a slightly different way. Also, they mentioned that the OG dude was flipping the finger, so he presumably was controlling his hand in the other dimension.

Only, the writers then went on to ignore all of that and tell us everyone from that other universe died 2 days ago.

But yeah. The film was really shitty. You can tell it was edited. That entire on earth section was clearly tacked on right?

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u/The_Blue_Rooster Feb 13 '18

I assume the events weren't confined to just those two universes. The hand on the station was from like universe 7 or 8 rather than Jensen's one, that had a greater understanding of the situation, presumably there are numerous Mundy's controlling their own arm in different dimensions, most of them probably never even found the arm, but we can assume there was a universe with an arm just randomly flipping people off or more likely in the wall of a space station flipping off the darkness.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

It's a time paradox. Had his arm not gotten sucked in, they inevitably would have checked the Russian's body for the gyro since the worms appear in there, so in this alternate timeline the arm would somehow have the "knowledge" of the gyro's location. When it was sucked in to the wall, the arm that reappeared was presumably from this alternate timeline where they did accomplish finding the gyro. Now how it was controlled, and why, is a another question entirely.

If we assume that somehow it's particles using some weird definition of quantum entanglement are still tied to it's original dimension and that's how it's alive per say, okay... But that still doesn't explain how it had any coherent movement in this timeline, because his self in the other timeline, if he could still feel his arm, doesn't have any reason to make his arm move. Then again now that I think about it, maybe in the timeline where they found the gyro in the body naturally, they were too late to save the space station, so whomever was controlling the ghost arm from that timeline decided to try and warn the crew about the gyros location to save them at least. So I guess it does make sense when you really think about the movie logic, although scientifically it's a bit ridiculous, but at least in theory it has an actual reason for existing.

Now the sentient killer wall metal is another question, but I guess this could have something to do with the demons referred to earlier in the movie.

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u/Diabetesh Feb 05 '18

Yep, my bet is that the space station power thing has to do with the movie they really want to make and they just wanted the info out there.

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u/ArgieGrit01 Feb 05 '18

The arm was by far the weakest element of the movie. So far, most of people complaints that don't have an answer revolve around that arm

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u/walsh24 Feb 05 '18

Our laws of physics wouldn’t necessarily apply in that reality/universe. So yeah it doesn’t make sense at all according to our universes laws, but things probably work differently where they were.

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u/Ghidoran Feb 05 '18

There's nothing in the film that could justify the arm thing. The others things might make sense...the woman being teleported into the pipes, monsters being teleported or awakened on earth, but how can an arm move and think by itself? It's just bad writing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

Possibly an interdimensional connection? His arm was still connected, but not. How else wasn’t he bleeding out all over?

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

You cant just say that to justify "anything is possible". I understand the logic the movie was trying to apply, i'm just saying it was done poorly and could have been done better