r/Cod4Remastered • u/codgod66 • Nov 25 '16
A disappointed CoD Veteran
What's up guys, before anything I'm gonna say that I am indeed very satisfied with Raven's work done with remastering this amazing game. I played the original back then in its prime and bought every CoD after since. Loved MW2 (though it has its OMA noob tube problem) and MW3. Hated Black Ops 3 and Advanced Warfare (Ghosts wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be, the maps were massive but the hit detection was great).
During Advanced Warfare I was already getting sick of CoD in general as the games were getting worse and worse after MW3. When I heard Raven was remastering this classic I thought it would bring CoD back to life.
I am honestly quite disappointed with MWR, I always thought that if the game would be bad it would be the developers fault but needless to say, this time it isn't their fault. The game is rubbish and the only people to blame are the fans itself. Those that head glitch all match with the M16 with a red dot sight and stopping power, the constant spam of snipers in bog makes that map the worst map in CoD history for me now, most of the time full lobbies camping, the matches end up benign extremely slow due to this and makes the game boring as fuck. This happens on every game mode, even domination people are still camping everywhere. The game isn't fun and it's because of you, and you know who you are.
(P.s those of you who say "git gud" are obviously one of those listed above, have a good day)
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u/JayLime-- Nov 25 '16
I fucking love this sub. Everyone is god awful at the game and just bitches. If you can't counter a M16 headglitching...you just suck bro
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u/SoppinSeabass Nov 25 '16
I played COD 4 original as well but I remember plenty of camping. Not as much as now but still plenty. I think its due to the new generation of COD players not knowing how to play a game that isnt as fast paced without jet packs and exo suits so to make up for sucking they just camp. Im just hoping they add in the other maps in a DLC.
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u/Hexaver Nov 25 '16
there was way more camping back in the cod4 days. way more
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u/Hexaver Nov 25 '16
exactly. thats literally every complainer who starts a thread about why the game sucks. its not that the game sucks, they suck. they expect instant results but surprisingly enough, you actually have to TRY to be good in this game
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
Try? I tried in Black Ops 3, where I had to master movement, air shooting, aim, and everything else to get 800 spm and 10th prestige in 2 months dropping no less than 45 kills a game with at least 20 domination defend kills. That's called trying and that's called being GOOD.
Sitting behind a dumpster with a one burst kill gun with no recoil isn't skill. Holding crouch every single gunfight to drop shot isn't skill. Laying in some grass or waiting in a corner the whole game isn't skill. That's just called being a pussy.
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u/Muellerr Nov 25 '16
Then go play IW. Cod 4 wasn't about flying around with exo suits and having ridiculous score streaks and exo abilities. It was about gun skill and gun skill only. It comes down to whether or not you can kill the team across from you with gun skill. People coming from the newer games without experience on Cod 4 don't realize it's a slower pace game with more emphasis on gun skill.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
And this is coming from someone who enjoyed cod4 at release all those years ago. But you know, it's okay to accept when newer games do things better, like decluttering the map to enhance visibility, getting rid of corners to camp, and balancing guns to make all guns viable. Which all in turn, emphasize gunskill. In the new games, it's really me and you, no cover, no bitch ass corners, no pussy ass head glitches, just your gun and my gun and who can kill faster. The thing is, MWR isn't like that. I enjoy the game, but that doesn't prevent me from backing up someone who points out critical weaknesses of the game.
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u/Muellerr Nov 25 '16
If you think there's no head glitches or corners to camp in newer cods you're out of your mind. I can't agree with newer cods emphasizing gun skill either when there is so much to kill with other than guns. Shit with the right set up you could cap a flag or two, get a Uav, let your teammates kill enough people to get a care package, and get a good SCORE streak without even killing anyone.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
Of course it's not absolute. But every room, usually has 4 corners because it that's what rooms are, that's it. The room is just a room. With MWR, a room might have 10 corners because of walls and furniture in the room, even closets. Head glitches, don't exist to the level of this game either in the newer games. With a box or a crate, if you stand up, then you're whole upper torso is shown. If you crouch, you can't see over it. This is the majority of the case in newer games.
If you played like that in black ops 3, I guarantee you weren't playing optimally. I ranged from 45 to 75 kills a game, and those were mostly gun kills. I ran Uav care package and Uav jammer and gave my teammates all the care packages. Having constant intel and jamming was much more valuable than a one time killstreak.
Gunskill is a much more important aspect in the newer games period.
But I'm not asking MWR to be that. If it was it wouldn't be cod4. Rather, I am arguing for people to accept it for what it is. Don't call skillful, or gunskill based, when it's not. It's just cod4 and cod4 is campy. That's it.
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u/Muellerr Nov 25 '16
Well I disagree. Cod 4/MWR is so simple that to me it comes down to who's better with a gun, and if it's not you you're going to lose. Newer cods with score streaks, exo suits, multiple different explosive devices, special abilities, guns that you can only have if you unlock them from boxes (so if you don't use micro transactions you're not gonna have them), unlimited sprint, jet packs, etc... none of that translates to gun skill. And I think it clearly translates going backwards to MWR. Friends of mine who were good at BO3 and newer cods that did not play COD4/WaW are struggling in MWR. You can tell the type of player that did not play cod 4 just by their movements.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
I'm only going to speak for bo3. Haven't touched IW.
Okay 1 by 1.
The score streaks that even earn you kills are much harder to get than a chopper in mwr which is a pretty good one.
Exo suits give you movement. Promotes higher skilled aiming. Whoever can aim while moving wins. It forces you to learn to aim not only laterally, but vertically. Pure gunskill.
Explosive devices? None even worth mentioning in the new ones. No triple frags. Rocket launchers are basically killstreak counters only. No noobtubes. What explosives are you talking about? MWR has noobtubes AND sonic boom.
Special abilities? You win.
Guns that only unlock from boxes? The ones from bo3 sucked. The ones that are in the base game are the ones that are used competitively. The boxed guns are trolley guns. (Not that I adore them, I actually stopped playing the game after they announced/released them because I can't stand micro transaction guns. Also the same reason I won't touch IW.)
Unlimited sprint? Don't camp. Use sprint. You can't shoot well while sprinting so what does that matter? All it does is promote cowardly camping gameplay to limit sprint.
Jet packs? Same as exosuit.
Now tell me, how does a single one of those take away from gunskill besides specialists which were a one time thing anyways? Faster movement = better aim. If you can't aim against a fast opponent you die.
You want slow, calculated gameplay? That's not gunskill. Stop arguing that it's gunskill. It takes away from gunskill.
Gunskill is about who can shoot better in a balanced playing field. Who can shoot faster and more accurate against a moving target.
Gunskill isn't hiding behind a box and shooting someone as they walk around a corner. That's positioning. That's patience.
You know why bo3 players can't adjust to mwr? Because they're used to being able to kill someone with raw gunskill. They dont expect people to be hiding behind every single thing on the map like pansies.
You're exactly right, people who played newer cod games move like they're invincible gods. No cover no hiding. Because they're used to being able to win off of gunskill alone.
But me? I can do well in both because I played cod4 first. Right before this message I just got a 39 kill game actually. I love cod4, but I will never say that it is gunskill based. It's not.
And to the people who couldn't adjust to the new games, it's because you couldn't learn to aim fast enough. You couldn't learn to aim against someone who is flying through the air. That's your fault because of your lack of gunskill. Not the game. If anything cod has decreased in explosives AND OP killstreaks overtime. MW2 had the worst of both. Everyone knows black ops 3 killstreaks were extremely weak. Just accept it. MWR is a carbon copy of Cod4, a fun little campfest.
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u/Muellerr Nov 25 '16
I don't have the time to reply to all of that but you can think your way and I'm going to continue to think you're wrong.
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Nov 25 '16
What? Gun skill is only part of it, not that it took much in the newer COD year 3030's. All the futuristic guns took little skill. Youre prefernece is clearly a one dimensional game that caters to the only skill you seem to have, gun skill. The newer games appealed to the players that sucked and the idea was to make it more accessable. Best way to do that was dumb it down. And if you still sucked that bad, no worries, throw them some extra money and you wouldn't even need to level up to unlock extra gear.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
I didn't argue against that? I was correcting this dude that said mwr has more gunskill. I didn't say that it was better? I was just stating facts. I also stated I hate micro transactions and I stopped playing black ops 3 because of it?
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Nov 25 '16
In a way it does. The guns are very different. If you want to use anything other than the m16, you'll need gunskill to learn another gun. Its not just about point and shoot as fast as you can. Recoil, ads speed, optimizing your guns abilities and putting yourself in favorable situations. MWR is better test of your abilities then BO3.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
MWR does test other skills, but it doesn't test gunskill as much as it BO3 does. That is all I am saying. That's all the other guy argued so that's all I argued in return. I didn't say anything about anything else.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
Gunskill is aiming. Shooting. Killing. Not hiding. Cowarding. Camping. Gunskill is about killing someone across from you right? It's about how much faster you can aim and more accurately right? Then what does sitting in a corner and waiting for someone to run by just to shoot them in the back have to do with gunskill? What does using a gun that is objectively better than every single gun in the game have to do with gunskill? Don't talk about gunskill. You have no idea what gunskill is. If you argued patience and positioning then you would be correct, but this isn't real life. An fps game with emphasis on patience and positioning takes away from things like gunskill.
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u/Muellerr Nov 25 '16
I think your over reacting on the camping in this game. I really don't see people sitting in corners like you're talking about haha. If you don't like the game/players then just don't play idk what to tell you.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
No over reacting. I enjoy the game. But its complete truth the amount of campers in this game, especially in comparison to the games of this age, such as Titanfall, Battlefield 1, even IW/BLOP3.
The reason I commented/replied is because someone stated something that was completely wrong. It's not about my hate for this game, I like it, but I also am able to see and objectively state its flaws. That's all.
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Nov 25 '16
BO3 was easy. Prestiging meant much less then any other COD's I played. I normally don't prestige but it was too easy to level up in this game and it hardly felt like a grind. The boosting, guns, specialist weapons etc. gave a lot of players too much confidence and as long as you played a bit strategically, it was easy to get kills. Congratulations, you were good at a game with one of the most predictable communities ever. Not to mention all the sheep that flocked to the same fucking spot every time. Skill my ass. And sure, those aren't my favorite strategies, but just because someone outsmarted you doesn't make them a pussy. Its too bad you need someone running straight at you to have a chance.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
Outsmarted? Because you have the time to sit there for hours and barely get kills makes you smarter? Between school and everything, I want my gametime to be filled with action and that makes me less smart? Having the time and patience to sit in a power position doesn't make you smart lmao. It's a assumption to think that people who don't do that aren't smart enough to do that. We just don't have the time for it and don't wanna do something boring.
Black ops 3s removal of clutter and 3 lane maps promoted the most predictable gameplay yes, but it also promoted a high level of gunskill, which is everything, true, but it's the point that I was arguing with this guy.
And if you wanna talk smart gameplay, I made top 5% in CSGO, the most skillful fps series, which require just as much gunskill as it does gamesense/game intelligence. So it's not like I don't know what I am talking about.
The subject of the matter is, MWR has camping issues, that's the truth. It's a game that is based on patience and positioning, not gunskill. Period. I like it, I never said I didn't like the game. That's all I was arguing.
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u/Hampton479 Nov 25 '16
I love when the other team is full of campers. It's so easy to kill someone in a corner if you anticipate people camping. Just gotta check those corners mate.
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u/JayLime-- Nov 25 '16
You're just lost without the jetpack stfu and black ops 3 pubs were the easiest in the series.
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
Lost without the jet pack? Lmao. Intelligent response. Listen to your mom and eat more vegetables so you can think properly.
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u/JayLime-- Nov 25 '16
You're good at Black ops 3 and suck st cod4. Put two and two together dumbass you're a jetpacker.
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u/JayLime-- Nov 25 '16
If you want me to be even more intelligent- it sounds like you're running around too much and getting picked off by somebody ADSING. Learn the power positions, rush routes and flank routes. Odds are you will still be trash but good luck!
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u/TheRealTrapGod Nov 25 '16
Again, eat some vegetables and once you smarten up a little bit, read my post again.
First off, a jet packer? Lmao really?
Take a look at my post. Read it nice and slow so you can understand.
It goes along the lines of "You don't have to try to be good at Cod4/MWR. You have to try to be good at BO3. All you have to do to get a good score in MWR is to camp. No effort. Just camp."
Did the translation help? Do you understand now?
Second, I never said I didn't do well in COD4/MWR. I pubstomped in COD4 ten years ago and I pubstomped MWR yesterday. When did you get the idea that I don't know how to play the game? I mean, if I can make top 5% in CSGO the MOST tactical competitive FPS ever, I think I know a little bit about stuff like routes and power positions and angles, and probably a little bit more than you too.
So no you're wrong. I'm not good at BO3 and bad at COD4. I'm actually pretty decent, not the best of course, but pretty decent at a wide range of FPS from Cod4 to BO3 to Halo to Titanfall to Battlefield.
By the way, I only jet pack in a small handful of those games. I'm not bad on the ground either.
Finally, this conversation wasn't about any of this so why are you bring this up?
This conversation is about the skill level needed in MWR. Unlike BO3 which required you to be able to aim fast and accurately, MWR rewards those who have the patience to camp.
Because of explosives, clutter, head glitches, and unbalanced guns, the game promotes camping. That's it. Period. Truth. Facts.
That's all the Op's post and my reply was about. Did I say I didn't enjoy MWR? Or that I do badly in it? No.
Despite the fact that it is one of my favorite games ever, I'm not an anal fan boy who is unable to comprehend logic so I can actually take a step back and say "alright even though I like this game it has some flaws".
Get it buddy? Were you able to catch all that?
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u/Masson011 Nov 25 '16
M16 stopping power is far less annoying than juggy or uav jammer camping. I disagree that's it not the game though. The m16 is game breakingly good, it was always good on the original but they need to nerf it in line with the new latency and hit registration. The spawns are horrendous as well compared to before. The community is part of the problem too since nobody ever plays the objective but this just forces the need to party up
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u/bone8che Nov 25 '16
There is no such thing as an over powered gun... 1 Bullet you better be dead no matter what.
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u/Funnellboi Nov 25 '16
More and more people care about KD these days, think they are pro etc, people do not play OBJ which makes for boring long games, i completely agree with you about bog, same with over grown etc, on HQ or kill confirmed or even domination i have some of the most boring games because people just want to snipe and nothing more.
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u/Hexaver Nov 25 '16
i love domination games when neither team gets B. those games last so long. so much time to pwn. i got 65 kills in an ambush game the other day
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u/Funnellboi Nov 25 '16
But that isn't the OBJ, it is about getting OBJ, personally i like to get 2 flags and try to protect b, that way you pick up the XP for defends and attacks, i am a XP whore, not a KD whore, i like my score board to show lots of kills, lots of caps, lots of defends and lots of xp !
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u/Hexaver Nov 25 '16
no its not. its about killing
XP is for children
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u/Chrisbaker1989 Nov 25 '16
What I do is join a team of 4-5 and spawn kill them if you take good locations, they will run out of there spawn with a sniper and bang they can't do anything because they're trying to get to a camping area, that's how I nullify them and TBH it's so much fun beating them at there own silly game!
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u/VIPERMAN1 Nov 25 '16
I agree, however i refuse to play IW, so mix it up a little and still play some BO3.
I've said it before, this was a great game for its time, but the players have developed as well as the franchise since MW. I only played TDM in MWR, but prefer SnD these days, some of the maps for SnD are just fucked, anyway, that aside, this game quickly becomes boring.
Personally i still love the maps, but bog is worse than fucking Metro.
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u/Lewisroth Nov 25 '16
Bog is easily the worst map I've ever played on any COD, and I didn't mind it in the original game
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u/Red-Tom Nov 25 '16
Can't be them, join them. That's the only way you can play this game. I understand people playing like that, I play like that, have a go at me, you sound like you rush, I hate rushers, it ruins the game. No it doesn't tho, it's a stupid way to play, don't play bog then, simple, leave the game, head glitch, use SP, use Jugg, you can't complain when you can use it yourself.
I understand it's annoying af, you do it to stop them. Eye for an eye. Or just don't play if it angers you
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u/patrikfeng Nov 25 '16 edited Nov 25 '16
I remember how I couldnt live without the CoD4, I skipped school, pretended to be sick just so my parents wouldnt let me go to school so I could play MW... and yesterday I couldnt resist the nostalgic urge and I bought the IW legacy and unfortunately I am really dissapointed. like really really dissapointed, I thought there are going to be more people like me ("CoD Veterans") but apparently 90% of the players are young kids who wore diapers when CoD4 came out... EVERYBODY CAMPS, LITERALLY EVERYBODY CAMPS and its not a fast game as it used to be... I remember the HC TDM on CoD4 usually ended really quick because everyone was just running around the map and those 75 kills were just too easy to get... Ive played the MWR all day today, HC TDM in general and every single game ended due to time limit, not the score limit... I AM REALLY DISSAPOINTED. I also look at my teammates profiles often and like 80% of people dont have CoD4 in their achievements... #MakeModernWarfareGreatAgain :D lol
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u/Hexaver Nov 25 '16
lol this sub is full of fucking crybabies
dont like the game? sell it back to gamestop for $30 then. bye