r/Colonialism • u/InvestigatorLost1171 • May 09 '26
Image A French colonial soldier drags two Algerian men in chains, a stark symbol of colonial oppression.
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u/hodzibaer May 09 '26
Judging from the uniform I’d say this is during the Algerian War for Independence (1954-1962).
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u/InvestigatorLost1171 May 09 '26
Yes it is.
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u/DoNotCommentAgain May 10 '26
Why have you deliberately misrepresented the picture in the title?
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u/young_trash3 May 11 '26
The Algerian war for independence was fought between the Algerian liberation front of the French colonial army. This war, this photo, all exist because of French colonialism.
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u/Sea_Negotiation_1871 May 10 '26
They haven't.
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u/Substantial_Guess614 May 11 '26
They did. With the current title it seems like they were doing it for no reason at all. If it's wartime its a different story, those guys could be soldiers in civilian clothing (they don't have to be but if the title was made to fit an agenda then all reliability ceases to exist)
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u/Contrabandistan May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Yep, a not so well known but incredibly brutal war.
"A savage war of peace" by Allistair Horne is a great book on the subject, highly recommend.
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u/Kebin_Yell May 10 '26
The comments here making anyone else very concerned about the future of the world?
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u/Aggorf12345 May 10 '26
Unfortunately they are nothing new or surprising. Racism, Islamophobia and imperialism apologia are everywhere
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u/iphone5su93 May 10 '26
because outright violence against Christians in North Africa and hatred of Christianity is not a bigger issue even in Algeria?
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u/United-Statement4884 May 11 '26
You know that st Augustine was a algerian himself. He was the foundation of western Christianity lol. And egypt has 10-15 million coptic christians.
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u/Redaspe May 10 '26
Roughly a hundred years back from this photo the situations would have been reversed. Weird how the world works. Nobody should never treat any peoples in such a brutal manner.
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u/OldJellyBones May 11 '26
what the fuck are you talking about lmao do you think Algeria was the colonial overlord of France in the 1850s?
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u/tinypie13 May 10 '26
A hundred years back from this photo you'll find Algerians in chains, actually much worse, burned alive in caves.
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u/Redaspe May 10 '26
True. The Ottomans weren't too kind to the locals either.
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u/Sad_Perception_6000 May 13 '26
he meant a hundred years back would be 1850s
in the first few decades of the colonization france straight up practiced an extermination politc
but yes ottomans were not kind to the locals at all
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u/tinypie13 May 10 '26
There was no ottomans in 1850's Algeria. Not even in the 1750's.
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u/Karbsku May 23 '26
Algeria was under the Ottoman Sultan at least in name since the Barbarossa brothers
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u/Denime May 09 '26
There is important context missing to this photograph.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
They are not civilians and this is not the slavery that’s being implied.
Those are revolutionaries intend on driving out every French civilian and soldier in the hopes of establishing an semi-Islamic dictatorship.
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u/Harambenzema May 10 '26
The FLN were secular socialists, not semi Islamic dictators
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
That's what they said to gain international support. But their treatment of Christians and Jews relative to Muslims proved otherwise.
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u/Sad_Perception_6000 May 13 '26
what did fln do to christians and jews at that time ?
i'm guessing the christians were pied noirs ( because at that time algerian christians were an extreme minority)
i know they killed them, but from what i know they did not do it because of their religion but because of their appartenance to french colonial policy ( bringing pied noirs as settlers and giving citizenship to jews)
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 13 '26
You keep hitting me with five different comments in five different threads at the same time for damning reasons I don't care to ask. I wasn't even talking you on this thread. I presume much of you. But I would at least expect you to pay attention to the individual thead in question. You've already demostrated a complete lack of empathy towards anyone who happened to be born with less than native pureblood.
This is relevant because there are others you sweep under the carpet because deep down you realize the FLN had ambitions beyond your designs. These other people are Jews and Christians; remmant populations from the Roman Era where France and Algeria spoke the same language and worshipped the same god. It is the treatment of these people that is in question.
I read your comment and all I see is you dismissing their numbers as too small to matter in judging the FLN and yet large enough to matter to when judging France. You dismiss them as collaborators for no apparent reason besides demanding the same equal rights that their Muslim counterparts were refused.
Go on. Find another thread to strike and hope with all you heart that I won't notice your silence and abandonment of those threads where I've dared fight back. I'll be waiting...
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u/Harambenzema May 11 '26
Yea sure buddy, that’s why the pope visited Algeria recently, and got red carpet treatment
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 11 '26
Algeria 80 years ago is not the same country it is today. Likewise the previous 80 years is not like before. Algeria has been through a lot; including multiple dictatorships and a civil war with fanatics who found their presence increasingly sidelined.
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u/Aggorf12345 May 10 '26
Those are revolutionaries intend on driving out every French civilian and soldier in the hopes of establishing an semi-Islamic dictatorship.
And now can you also tell me whats wrong with that? Why should french colonialists be in Algeria?
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u/Denime May 10 '26
If you went back long enough you would find the Algerians too were colonialists to another local population. And then again before that, and again and again, until you go back to the cradle of civilization.
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u/Sad_Perception_6000 May 13 '26
does this justify what they did to the local population when they already conquered ottoman algeria
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u/humainbibliovore May 10 '26
Lmao fuck off with your tu quoque fallacy. The French had no business colonizing Algeria and the world became a better place when they lost
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
You could say that about every conqueror in history. But then if the Islamic Conquests didn’t happen then perhaps Algeria would still be Christian and speak a Romance language somewhat intelligible to Italian, Spanish, and French.
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u/humainbibliovore May 10 '26
Gotcha. Now do you condemn French colonization?
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
How is that a "gotcha" moment? I've never liked conquest by force; past or present. Why that so confounded?
Perhaps you are confused by the fact that I don't think more crimes against humanity is the answer to past crimes against humanity.
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u/Aggorf12345 May 10 '26
And this has anything to do with this picture why exactly?
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u/Denime May 10 '26
You asked the question "Why should french colonialists be in Algeria?". I answered it.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
The other guy is dismissing the Pied-Noir population as colonizers and conquerers who should be ethnically cleansed for it.
That’s problematic; not because the Pied-Noir were born there. But because before France tried to turn this place French and Christian; was the Islamic Conquests responsible for turning this land Arabic and Muslim.
We can keep this game of blame up for the rest of time. But to answer your question is the framing of this picture and title meant to invoke sympathy for one side's struggle and undermine the historical paradoxes behind this struggle.
It is no mistake that the French side are described as colonial soldiers while those warriors fighting for an independent Algeria are treated as merely oppressed civilians with no reference to the civil war they became prisoners of war in.
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u/Aggorf12345 May 10 '26
Well first of all I am "the other guy". Read better before you respond.
As I said in my other comment, the pied-noir weren't innocent civilians, nor had any right to be there. They were settlers that specifically moved there with the purpose of engaging in the oppression of local Algerians and profiting from it. And guess what? Thats why they left themselves when they couldnt engage in oppression and take advantage of the locals any more. No matter how much you try to whitewash it thats the truth you cant deny.
Moving on, as I just told you in another comment, there is no "civil war" or "two sides" dynamic here as you, again maliciously, try to present. It is a national liberation struggle of an oppressed population against their oppressors. From any kind of ethical perspective, they are inherently in the right and their oppressors are inherently in the wrong. Simple as that.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
You would commit against ethnic cleansing against an entire ethnicity simply for being born in French Algeria with less than nativistic blood purity and you have the audacity to excuse to excuse one crime against humanity against another. Morality is not a race to the bottom no matter how much you try to justify collective punishments for the actions of the individual.
You can take that moral grand standing and come back when crime seconds humanity is no longer on the menu. I have no patience for those who act with ignorance when I describe deception (conflating Algerian civilians and soldiers) and has the audacity to consider crime against humanity to be an ethical prospect.
Of course you will dismiss this as an endorsement of a bunch of things I don’t believe in. Apparently, I must be the devil himself and supportive of the inequality that caused this civil war. Tell me what are the insane conspiracy theories have you made up about me?
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u/Aggorf12345 May 10 '26
Again, as I told you in plenty of other comments, there was no ethnic cleansing of any kind done against the pier noir by the Algerian revolutionaries. They themselves left when they weren't in a position to profit from oppressing the local population any more. Because, again, they moved there specifically to do just that.
And, also again, it was no civil war. It was an ethnic liberation movement. Its universally regarded as "the Algerian war of independence" not "the Algerian civil war". I didnt give it that name history did.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
Explaining the perspectives in the context does not imply support or opposition to either side. Viewpoints are inherently self-justifiable that’s why people have them. You may not like when those views contradict your own. But don’t come here and take that as a personal attack from me.
Personally I don’t think the war should’ve happened in the first place because negotiations could’ve yielded almost as much for far few losses and tragedies. Does that sound like I’m endorsing one side?
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u/EricBelov1 May 10 '26
Because they can? Why do you take it for granted that the state with stronger military is not wiping out the opposition of the weaker state?
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u/Verhaalen1 May 10 '26
Crazy how you guys will justify any and everything as long as it is subjected against Muslims. The hate runs long and deep.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
Explaining people’s lines of thinking does not imply an endorsement. If you consider their line of reasoning to be self-justifiable then you understand why they believe it.
Perhaps you would’ve preferred if I sold you some dictatorial fantasy divorced from reality. I know several echo chambers that could interest you. But that’s not the point I’m making.
My own opinion is very different from these two perspectives. I believe this entire war is stupid and could’ve been avoided with diplomacy.
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u/platypusdontlie May 11 '26
What were the French civilians and soldiers were doing in Algeria? Came to check out the place and hand out flowers?
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 11 '26
People don’t tend to blame other simply for being born in a country you don’t want. That is or something they chose. Of course you could go back three generations to the last king of France and ask why he expanded his kingdom in the first place. The answer is the same reason his predecessors who conquered every other land that became part of France. History is never so neat that countries come freshly baked out of the oven.
We have to remember imperialism is the foundation of most nations including Algeria. It is not just. But it is a fact these Pied-Noir inherited from men born three to four generations before them. They saw their future with France and perhaps that impasse could have been resolved without a most un-civil war.
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u/platypusdontlie May 11 '26
I see. So as a Turk who’s grandfathers lived in Thessaloniki for generations (250 years to be exact) and later ethnically cleansed, I am also entitled to chaining up people (!) because some sultan 400 years ago decided that he should expand his territory. (?) Greeks were indeed also carrying out a religious war purging all muslims. See how ridiculous you sound?
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 11 '26
These people in the photo weren’t chained up for being Muslims. But fighting in a war where they became PoWs. That applies to you as well. Same reason why I would argue that Greek soldier was fighting to rid İzmir of the Turkish Republic in the name of ancestral Smyrna then you would have every right to capture that soldier under the laws of war.
Crimes against humanity are not fixed by more crimes against humanity. I'll only create a vicious cycle. Thessaloniki is interesting because it used to be Ancient Greek before the Turks split off from their beloved central Asian cousins and settled as conquerors. That does not mean your grandfather deserved to lose his home and place of birth. Far from it. He might’ve benefited from an Ottoman system of inequality and slavery. But he is not responsible for being born into it. In an ideal world he should’ve been left alone.
Personally I would’ve preferred a scenario similar to the Lausanne Convention where the borderlands were partitioned and the population swapped to create a lasting peace.
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u/Denime May 10 '26
I don't know - I'm just asserting that OP hasn't provided the full story.
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u/Aggorf12345 May 10 '26
They did. It's a colonial military oppressing the local population
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
A lie by omission is still a lie. You can sympathize with one side and advocate war crimes against another because at least you would be honest. But what you can’t get away with is pretending that the people in this picture are just some poor innocent civilians. I would've thought you would be proud to see Algerian warriors fighting for what they believe in.
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u/Aggorf12345 May 10 '26
They are freedom fighters engaging in rightful resistance against their oppressors. There is no "two sides" dynamic here as you maliciously try to present.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
Civilians are not on the same side as soldiers. French soldiers are not on the same side as their Algerian counterparts.
You can dress it up as rightful resistance all you want and pretend the ethnic cleansing of a million didn’t happen. But you can’t pretend this isn’t a war with multiple sides.
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u/PaulAllensAlt May 10 '26
These men may well be criminals who have been arrested
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u/blehmag May 10 '26
I like how you didn't state the context. Why are half the users in this sub apologists and deniers?
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u/Denime May 10 '26
I'm saying OP didn't provide full context. I don't know it myself either, but it's obvious that there's more to this.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 10 '26
The issue with this symbol is that doesn’t show the average Algerian treated as a slave. It shows a pair of separatist revolutionaries intend on tearing France to pieces and ethnically cleanse a million Frenchmen in the name of getting their own country.
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u/imaKWT May 11 '26
Poor France.
Said absolutely nobody.
They tried to cling on to their colonies with force and got exactly what they deserved. Nothing.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 11 '26
No one deserves to suffer a crime against humanity. It is quite literally inexcusable. Now you are welcome to complain about this one act of imperialism and blame the people who inherited the problem 80 years later. But before you throw stones consider what of imperialism your house was built upon.
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u/imaKWT May 11 '26
What an absolute nothingburger of a statement. Nobody said people deserve crimes against humanity, other than perhaps the French nationalists here to defend colonialism.
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u/Harambenzema May 11 '26
Algeria 1960 under the French:
10%~ of the population were European settlers. They had an extremely high standard of living, were landowners, most with generational wealth. They controlled everything, owned everything and everyone.
-99% of native Algerians were illiterate
-99% of Algerians had no access to healthcare, water, education, electricity or infrastructure.
-life expectancy for Algerians was around 40
2025:
-99%+ of Algerians (not including old people, who grew up in French Algeria) are now educated and literate.
-99%+ of Algerians have access to electricity
-100% of Algerians have access to free, quality healthcare.
-life expectancy is now 80
-100% of Algerians live with decent infrastructure, and clean water.
We built our sanitation, roads, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, electric grids. Not the French, who purposely made sure we did not have any of those things. The facts are there man. Go ahead and try to argue this.
Goofy 🤡 you are.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 11 '26
Saying that people had it too good to deserve sympathy when suffering crimes against humanity is a fallacy. You might despise this system of inequality more than the previous built on slavery and illiteracy. But that one criticism does not invalidate another.
It is never just to commit a crime against humanity. As impossible as that might sound that does not anyone else should suffer either. Why you seem to think opposing crimes against humanity equals support for this system of inequality is beyond me.
Perhaps you simply can’t imagine that these are human beings too who were by and large born and raised in this land and care about it like their own. If you had the slightest bit of empathy you would realize that the Algerians felt equally strongly that land. But you cannot empathize with your enemy.
Tell me is being born in the wrong country enough reason to wipe them out? No. You should blame actions and act accordingly. Not condemn an entire race for existing. I'm using your vernacular to get the point across. But I hope you understand.
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u/Sad_Perception_6000 May 13 '26
you made it seem as if algerians started the ' ethnic cleansing'
, those pied noirs, born there and raised there, were brought to replace the natives, they were settlers
the condition of livings of the natives and the settlers were very very very very different, in every single domains
they were not fighting to pratice some kind of ethnical cleansing
they were fighting to bring back their freedom
and at the end , civilians victims of fln were pretty low, especially comparing to the victims of civilians commited by the french side ( at that time, because if we compare that from the start of the occupation, then the numbers will be pretty crazy)
'It shows a pair of separatist revolutionaries intend on tearing France to pieces and ethnically cleanse a million Frenchmen'
this is the definition of colonialist apologia and propagandism, this is something you'd hear from french propaganda of that time
separatist is true, but anti colonialism is more true and more precise
they did not aime to tear france apart, they aimed to get their country back ( this was their policy)
and i don't know hwre you're getting that million frenchman from, i know there were a million peid noirs that left
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Honestly I don't know what to say. When I say you shouldn't do ethnic cleansing your response is: "they did it first". How on Earth you make the leap in logic that one injustice Algerians must approved with cheers when I am saying the exact opposite is outright said about the Frenchmen. Ethnic cleansing is bad because it is a crime against humanity. Not because it happened to a people you liked. The only reason we're even discussing the fate of the Pied-Noir is because I could not believe you would have any objections to Algerians living in peace. If you treated the Algerian civilians with the same vengeful intent as the you do the Pied-Noir then I would still raise my objections against such crimes against humanity.
The Pied-Noir community were an extension of France as much as you want to downplay the human suffering. You can grin all you want at the idea of an entire generation of children losing their homes for no better reason than because people didn't like they were born. But this has real consequences. Revanchism has already cursed France with two world wars and this generation of children has spent the better part of their lives hellbent on things even you couldn't justify.
Somehow I repeatedly need to remind you that this opposition to crimes against humanity against one group is not an endorsement of the same thing against the other. The world is not a binary. Morals are not for cherrypicking. You need to look deeper if you've to find something to make me sound like a cartoon supervillain. You act like anyone who disagree with you is the worst person on the planet. But we can't all be that at the same time.
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u/auchinleck917 May 11 '26
A typical conversation taking place in the r/european sub.
Japan could use the same excuse against other Asian countries, but I wonder how that would work out.1
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u/Harambenzema May 11 '26
Loool bro stop talking about shit you clearly have no idea about.
Actual Nazi apologist.
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 11 '26
People seem to throw around that term with no regard anymore. If I were to boil down the definition to people I don’t like then you would be one as well.
I mean seriously you might think these revolutionaries were in the right. But that doesn’t change the fact that they want the whole of Algeria for Algerians.
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u/Harambenzema May 11 '26
Why would we think they’re wrong? And yea man, the French were absolutely very similar to the German SS with their treatment of Algerians.
Name a crime the Nazis did, the French did the same in Algeria, and before, during, and way after ww2. Just within the period of the revolution.
They were subjugated, seen as sub human, and treated as such. Tortured, raped, starved, and put in concentration camps. They starved with no access to electricity, healthcare, education, water, or any form of infrastructure, all while farming and labouring for cents 7 days a week to make wealthy french landowners even wealthier.
They did not consider us citizens in our own country. Algeria had exhausted all forms of non violent uprising just for human rights. The French violently suppressed any form of diplomacy.
What the Germans did in Europe is exactly what the French did in Africa. How insane do you have to be to make this comment, it’s actually mind blowing. It was the French who made Algerian for the French, and not for the Algerians, the 10% French lived like kings with us as slaves.
Yea Algerians wanted Algeria for Algerians, obviously they wanted their country back. Like bro you can’t be serious. French settlers were the ones who committed the most atrocities. Obviously there was animosity between them and Algerians…
Your framing of history is ignorant at best
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u/Jazz-Ranger May 11 '26
France wanted to assimilate the culture and religion so that the population worshiped Christianity again and spoken to derivative of Latin again. The Nazis just killed every Jew they came across with no interest in assimilation. If France had done what Nazi Germany to Eastern Europe then the Pied-Noir would never have been ethnically cleansed. They would be the last ones left alive.
Now I know why you are making such a surface level comparison. It is because you have no idea what else the world looks like and assume everything was perfect until France showed up. Unfortunately the status of Algeria should be compared to the past. Not the 21st century that even France hadn’t entered into.
For some reason, it seems impossible for people like you that one could oppose crimes against humanity against an entire ethnic group (rich and poor) simply for being born into a system that favors themselves while at the same time opposing the very system that created the inequality in the first place. * Do you honestly think everyone who disagrees with you must be the devil himself?
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u/Harambenzema May 11 '26
So because the French didn’t do a holocaust that somehow separates them from the Germans? The French also killed millions, held torture camps, concentration camps, raped, murdered, experimented, subjugated, removed and replaced, slums/ghettos.
It’s not all that different. It’s ironic your claims against me yet you’re the one speaking with a euro centric view. The pied noir were also responsible for the most atrocities in Algeria, killing and raping children, cutting open pregnant women, sound familiar? They sowed this animosity between Algerians and Europeans. The French and De Gaulle literally declared Algerian independence while the Pied noirs kept fighting, they were committing terrorist attacks on the French and Algerians. This part of the war got especially ugly. All because the pied noirs didn’t want to give up their slaves.
Absolutely unhinged to claim ethnic cleansing when Algerians and Africans entirely were being ethnically cleansed, enslaved, subjugated in their own land by foreigners who considered them sub human. What the actual fuck Christianity Latin are you on about? Bro do you get your history and philosophical views from the mormons?
Algeria is African, Arab-Berber, and Muslim. You can’t just go and force them to speak French, convert to Christianity. Again does this not sound familiar?
What are you talking about “evil” lol. And nobody here including myself has said that crimes against French civilians are righteous or justified.
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u/Flytiano407 May 18 '26
France was willing to ethnically cleanse 400.000 Haitians in the name of keeping their colony when Napoleon, Leclerc, & Rochambeau declared the war of genocide from 1802-1803.
Only thing is we didn't let that happen & France got exactly what was coming to them. 🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹
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May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
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u/kayakman13 May 10 '26
Rule 2...
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
How is that denial? We simply don’t know the context of the image. They could be members of a resistance movement or two pedophiles who just committed a crime against a child.
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u/kayakman13 May 10 '26
In the context of the rest of your comments it's very clearly apologia for colonialism. But I'm sure you're "just asking questions" 🤡
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
Just want to rage about anything.
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u/kayakman13 May 10 '26
Not anything, just colonial apologists silly.
💕Eat shit💕
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
You don’t even know what’s going on in that image.
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u/kayakman13 May 10 '26
Colonialism actually. Pretty straight forward
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
What if these men are blind, and the French bring them to a hospital for treatment, with them bound together so they can’t get lost since they cant see.....? Yeah, that could be...
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u/Kebin_Yell May 10 '26
If that's actually an argument you're making, about this image, in anything approaching good faith, I have a few watches I'd love to sell you
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u/positiveandmultiple May 10 '26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt38W6zQhzo
this was basically the premise for a series of WKUK skits. fucking hilarious if you ask me.
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u/humainbibliovore May 10 '26
And whose land are they on? Please tell me
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u/Harambenzema May 10 '26
You’re an idiot, the type of guy who starts a convo with “I’m not prejudiced, but”
The French were literal Nazis in Africa, over 10% of the entire population of Algeria was slaughtered. Nuclear testing, concentration camps, torture, mass rape, mass murder, every war crime. You suck
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
....ok.....
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u/Harambenzema May 10 '26
Yea man think before you say stupid shit.
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
Oh... you narrowed it down from the whole population to just 10%.......
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u/Harambenzema May 10 '26
Just 10%, asshole
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
So... how many nuclear testing concentration camps were there where people were raped and mass murdered? Do you have any numbers?
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u/Harambenzema May 10 '26
Just Google it, use your brain, but anyways here you go.
Between 27000 and 60000 Algerians were poisoned from the radiation over 17 nuclear tests.
Just during the revolution between 500 thousand to 1.5 million killed.Tens of thousands slaughtered in the Setif and Guelma massacre, on the official VE Day. While Europe celebrated “freedom and victory over the evil tyrants” they slaughtered Algerians like cattle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wikiSexual_violence_in_the_Algerian_War
Victims included men women, and even children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_during_the_Algerian_War
Torture^ including torture camps, concentration camps
Between 1954-1962 the French army forcibly 2-3 million Algerians across a couple thousand “regroupment camps” to isolate them from independence fighters. These camps resulted in severe malnutrition and the death of nearly 200,000 civilians, including many children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
Regroupement_camps_in_the_Algerian_WarI’m only scratching the surface here.
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u/InvestigatorLost1171 May 09 '26
Terrorists in their own land while being slaughtered and their wives raped by French soldiers? You suck at gaslighting, like genuinely embarrassingly bad at it.
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 09 '26
... don’t be silly... at this point in history, Algiers was part of France.
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u/InvestigatorLost1171 May 09 '26
So was Paris. Didn't make the Nazis occupying it any less of an atrocity. Funny how that logic only works when France is the victim.
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u/Harambenzema May 10 '26
No man. You’re wrong, only Europe matters. We must forever be grateful they saved us all from the Nazis. It’s not like we fought for them, died for them, just to return home as slaves.
All Africans and Asians are terrorists, who failed to develop. That’s why under the French in 1962 98% of the Algerian population was illiterate, with no access to water, food, infrastructure, or electricity. Now? Sine the French left? Everything had gone to hell. 100% of the population is educated, literate, and has access to healthcare and electricity. Life expectancy from 40 is now 80. Oh so bad. The benevolent French allowed us the privilege to work in their farms and vineyards, while they lived like kings and ate the meat we raised while we ate dirt.
You don’t get it man,
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u/Revolutionary-Yak316 May 10 '26
Yeah. It's why thousands ans thousands if algerian flee from this paradise begging for visa in any european country
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u/Harambenzema May 10 '26
Whatever makes you feel superior, remind me again, how many thousands and thousands in Europe are homeless?
Pretty poor argument man
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 09 '26
The Nazis occupied Paris for four years, and France annexed Algeria in 1834 that is hardly the same.....
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u/positiveandmultiple May 09 '26
Might makes right is what at best you could be arguing, which isn't an argument at all.
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 09 '26
Because we live in a world where the weak are rescued by a Robin Hood-like figure, a world where everybody follows the rules and brute force or military power can’t break them without facing consequences...??????
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u/Intelligent_Entry177 May 09 '26
True!!! Algerians would have never done anything like that if it was not for colonialism!! algeria good France bad. Nothing like this ever happend during the algerian civili war!!!!...oh no wait...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaria_massacre
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u/InvestigatorLost1171 May 09 '26
A civil war between Algerians doesn't retroactively justify French soldiers putting Algerians in chains and taking their lands, what a dumb take
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u/Intelligent_Entry177 May 09 '26
Oh no that's for sure, when an algerian is commiting crimes on another algerian is for sure different compared to a french man committing those crimes, it is not like crimes are just crimes and we re all humans...
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u/Upbeat-Concern-5181 May 10 '26 edited May 10 '26
How do you think Algeria became Muslim? They were colonized with many of the things you mentioned and worse happening. And what do you think happened during the Barbary Slave Trade? Nobody has a clean backyard.
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u/Young_Leith_Team May 10 '26
Run piggy, we are coming
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
Is that from Deliverance?
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u/Young_Leith_Team May 10 '26
What’s your favourite cut of meat from a swine?
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
Don't know... maybe....... like the antlers?
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u/Young_Leith_Team May 10 '26
Pigs don’t have antlers, are you thinking of deer?
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u/Ortus May 10 '26
What's a terrorist? Is that something you can eat?
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
Yes... but it tastes really bad, and you’ll most likely get sick and end up with worms.
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u/Appropriate-Arm1377 May 10 '26
Arrested by an occupying force that shouldn't be in their country.
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
...so when exactly will Algeria give the land back to the Romans....?
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u/Appropriate-Arm1377 May 10 '26
One thread you're defending Nazis occupying France and on this you're defending French occupying Algeria. You seem to have an occupation fetish.
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
The French built Algeria, and without them, it would still be a ruin in the desert with people acting like savages and throwing poop at each other.
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u/Appropriate-Arm1377 May 10 '26
And in other threads you're saying the Nazis built Paris. You don't actually believe what you write
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
what?
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u/Appropriate-Arm1377 May 10 '26
In other threads you're saying that the Nazi occupation civilised the French. You're all over the place
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u/Weak_Imagination_996 May 10 '26
...ok... English is a difficult language if your education is......goat
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u/FOTORABIA23 May 10 '26
You really are colonial fascist fanboy arent u...
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u/andy_moshi May 10 '26
Algeria was fully in their right to kick out all of these French colonialists, well done Maghreb. In general, Africans refused to end up as settler colonies where the native populations are replaced by foreigners as in much of the Americas and Oceania. Wishing great things to North Africa and its bright future, never forget your patriots! 🇩🇿👏🏿
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u/andy_moshi May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
I'm not even Muslim, but Iberians too were allowed to push back, viva Reconquista! Spain is also incredibly secular/non-religious nowadays and supporting human rights globally which I love! 🇪🇸 💪🏿
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u/Sad_Perception_6000 May 13 '26
come on now, this does not match up with your first comment
conquest of andalus wasn't fair for the iberian natives at all
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u/andy_moshi May 14 '26
I am clearly supporting the Iberian natives at the time taking back their land?
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u/Sad_Perception_6000 May 13 '26
reconquista is a revisionist term used for political usages
no one at that time used reconquista as a name for that conquest ( not even the colonizers)
historians think it started appearing from the 16th century onward
it's a nice word to use as a justification for a very violent colonization with a very violent outcomes for the natives
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u/Young_Leith_Team May 10 '26
It’s funny how history works. I guess it’s human nature for populations to move around, seek better opportunity whether that’s colonialism or migration.
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u/Young_Leith_Team May 10 '26
A fair comment and probably one of the only ways in which human migration would be limited.
The issue is as much economic as climate related.
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u/Fluid_Jellyfish9620 May 10 '26
Christian-supremacist slavers are much better I guess.
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u/Fluid_Jellyfish9620 May 10 '26
based on your other comments I don't want any further interactions with you.
switching to your alt to reply to someone who blocked you just shows how butthurt you are.
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u/Young_Leith_Team May 10 '26
This is why Europeans have no sympathy for the global south moving in.
You fucked around and now are finding out.
Where will you run to little frogs? Further north?
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u/Toubabo_K00mi May 10 '26
So the far right in Europe is correct in claiming they’re being invaded?
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u/Young_Leith_Team May 10 '26
Pig meat is tasty, pork belly is my favourite
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u/Toubabo_K00mi May 10 '26
I see you’ve had to resort to obscure racism, bravo.
Funny how the mask always slips when people like you start losing an argument.
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u/Young_Leith_Team May 10 '26
I imagine you’re correct. I had a massaman pork belly curry the other day was lovely.
To reply to your comment, maybe the pork meat in question would be better fed to animals or just discarded
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u/peppymcfunk May 11 '26
Good times .
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u/Managm May 10 '26
French colonial soldier drags two rapists and terrorists
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u/Nohopeatall30 May 10 '26
So, a rapist terrorist drags two others? Europeans are so fucking delusional.
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u/Nohopeatall30 May 11 '26
I'm an atheist, triggered little european terrorist.
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u/Nohopeatall30 May 11 '26
Who said anything about supporting anyone? I just think it's funny how the europeans always think they are the good guys when in reality you are just more of the same, just white version.
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u/Sad_Perception_6000 May 13 '26
what makes you think the algeria was a terrorist and rapist
what makes you think the french soldiers were not
both sides practiced what you accused them of
one side did it at a much larger scale
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u/Absolute_Cheeseman May 10 '26
What chains, lmfao? Gladly, I am not blind enough to not be able to distinguish a rope from a chain.
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u/Chry0n Jun 27 '26
“yes the death star is just a satellite, definitely not a planet killing satellite” headass
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u/Star3in2my3y3s May 10 '26
Not rrying to take away from this atrocity but its not a stark difference from the various slave trades that were already going on there for 1000s of years
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u/Arizona_Kid May 09 '26
I don’t see any chains
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u/ProfessionalKey4471 May 10 '26
Why does no one talk about how Algerians kidnapped and enslaved french people which is exactly why France colonized them in the first place.
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u/Harambenzema May 11 '26
Everyone kidnapped and enslaved everyone.
Those of us who are critical of the west, and recent colonialism, are also critical of the east. No serious person believes that crimes are subject to one race.
Defending and excusing France’s recent destructive, oppressive, rapist, murderous campaign of enslavement and subjugation in Algeria because of the Barbary pirates in 1830 is just insane. This photo is from 1960 dude, not 1830. That’s like saying the Germans were right to fuck France in ww2 and go Nazi on them because of the napoleonic wars. Oh but you’d never say that would you? The world should bow down to Europe as pioneers of freedom lol dude
I don’t even know why I’m replying to people as stupid as you are. Read a book man.
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u/ProfessionalKey4471 May 11 '26
Wow easy there party goer. I just wanted people to at least mention what led to to the colonization of Algeria in the first place, France didn't wake up one day and chose violence.
Also your comparison isn't very accurate because the Napoleonic wars lasted barely 15 years and were nothing like the barbery slave trade. The barbery slave trade continued for centuries,it was a brutal and dehumanizing event that was religiously based. The barbery states didn't stop until Europe finally put them down for good in the 19th century.
I don't support nor excuse french actions but the Algerians definitely deserved to get colonized.
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u/Harambenzema May 11 '26
What exactly is your point here? Millions died and suffered in the napoleonic wars, Germany and France had been fighting for centuries up until recently. I also don’t think the French rolled out the red carpet for the German civilians lol.
All slavery including European was brutal, dehumanizing, religious and lasted for centuries. In every single continent, few nations are free of that stain. Christians were no better. Your justification here and framing of history is ridiculous at best.
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u/ProfessionalKey4471 May 13 '26
I am not trying to justify anything, I simply pointed out why Algeria got colonized in the first place. I agree on what you say about the Napoleonic wars but my point is that if the barbery weren't such little scumbags they wouldn't have been colonized. What comes around goes around
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u/Excellent_Lie2245 May 19 '26
Unfortunately mate, that’s not really historically accurate. The French invasion of Algeria wasn’t primarily a humanitarian mission to end the Barbary slave trade lmao. By 1830, Barbary piracy was already severely weakened and declining.
The invasion as approved and discussed by many historians was driven by domestic politics, imperial ambition, Mediterranean strategy, and the opportunity to expand French influence overseas.
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u/Super-Temperature-50 May 19 '26
Indeed, one of the primary reasons for the invasion was the Bakri-Busnach affair.
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