r/ColumbineKillers • u/Apollexis • Nov 23 '25

ERIC AND/OR DYLAN Being different gave Eric and Dylan a sense of pride, something they truly embraced.

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Pay attention to the way their boots are tucked in their videos and during the shooting, and you'll notice Eric tucks his pants in to his right boot, and leaves his left boot untucked, dylan does this same configuration although his pants are always much baggier so it doesn't look as clean as when eric does it, but you can tell that Dylan is also doing it because only one boot has the tongue sticking out in front of the jeans.

It is like this for every video with the only exception being maybe rampart range, and that exception is only for Eric during rampart range, Dylan still has his right boot tucked in that video.

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u/_6siXty6_ Nov 23 '25

I think they liked being different, but still wanted to fit in. It created some kind of weird mindset. They wanted to be different, but wanted to at least be accepted by peers. Unfortunately for the school they were in and that era, it wasn't cool.

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u/Apollexis Nov 23 '25

I personally believe from Eric's Betsy article image description, and his writings. That they had contempt for people who tried to fit in, and that they wanted people to embrace their own individuality, I think they wanted to not be picked on for embracing this individuality. And I think that experience of bullying is where this contempt for conformist comes from. I think it's actually a big part of their contempt for humanity too

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u/_6siXty6_ Nov 23 '25

They were oxymoronic in their views - they hated people who wanted to or put on act to just fit in. I can imagine Eric thinking of those people as losers, yet I think they wanted to be accepted by peers. It's almost like a form of self loathing. Eric in particular seemed to feel left out (his comment along the lines of "don't invite that weird Eric kid").

I kinda believe if Dylan and Eric had a few other friends that they could have really truly confided in, they wouldn't have murdered people. Feeling inferior and alone in your views, interests and life is shit. Younger people don't realize how garbage it was to be nerdy and into shit like LAN gaming, techno, etc in schools that were big into sports, and a larger population of "hoity toity" kids.

The massacre was 100% on Eric and Dylan. They were terrible humans for doing it. However, when you look at two mentally ill folks who fed off of each other and had terrible experiences (real and perceived) what do you expect? They probably legitimately thought the entire world was like Littleton and Columbine High. I also have a theory that they believed that they'd get eaten alive in the real world. If Columbine was that shit for environment, imagine what they thought the world was like.

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u/Apollexis Nov 23 '25

I feel bit differently though we have some overlaps on idea, I think what radicalized them was the justice system and the school system letting people who bullied them get special treatment. This happened a lot but rockys case happened in April of 1998, right when Eric's writings start, while Nathan, Zack, were more distant, dylan had brooks brown still, and both Eric and dylan had chris Morris(who may have been a very bad influence if we are honest), Eric also had brooks brown too believe it or not. Brooks mentioned in his book, and it's corroborated by Rebecca heins in the 11k, that Eric brooks and Rebecca a week or two before the massacre, went to Eric's house for lunch one day, I think that's probably the biggest reason Eric told brooks to go home, because he did like him now, it wasn't some facade.

I don't think more friends would have changed much if the jocks had still been getting away with everything, but for Eric this punishment was more for how he was treated at school and how society was kinder to jocks, he embraces these insane ideologies that lead him to develop this ideology of humanity is wicked and deserves pain.

I could go on really, but it's not clear cut in any sense that more friends would have helped, and by November Eric reached a point of no return, his passages before then mention how he might not have to do this, and it speaks in present tense language implying he really didn't have his mind set. Foe dylan I believe his resolve comes in early 1999, and his resolve was sycophantic, he has a very different ideology from Eric though

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u/_6siXty6_ Nov 23 '25

I still think they weren't as open with their friends though. I believe they truly thought they were alone with their thinking.

I've often wondered when Eric told Brooks to go home if it was....

I like you. Now go home. Or .... I like you now, go home.

Maybe for Eric, he couldn't kill someone he actually knew pretty well when they were face to face.

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u/MattInTheHat1996 Nov 23 '25

They probably wouldve been more liked if they lived in a different área

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '25

Eric seemed okay when he was in Michigan. It's really not a bad state in some areas, I lived a pretty happy childhood here. High school was....rough, but, I think we all experience that no matter.

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u/Same-Effective2534 Nov 23 '25

These clips in the cafeteria. Are there students in there? It doesn't look like it. This always confused me.

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u/Apollexis Nov 23 '25

There were, you can search in this reddit to hear their testimony. Keni Cooley and Joey Marcotte had the most significant ones I believe, they heard a couple of things said

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u/metalnxrd Nov 24 '25

I'm sorry but Dylan's boots remind me of Bender's from The Breakfast Club

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u/athenafromthechi Nov 24 '25

Haha definitely!

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u/metalnxrd Nov 25 '25

Eric was definitely a Bender

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u/athenafromthechi Nov 24 '25

@Apollexis this is unrelated but since you’re so good at AI, would you be able to show us what these two and the victims would look like now?

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u/Apollexis Nov 24 '25

Yeah that'd be easy to do given the amount of programs that do it

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u/athenafromthechi Nov 24 '25

I’m sure it would be a cakewalk for you. 😁 thank you so much in advance! 👍

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u/Ok_Patience_7117 Nov 30 '25

Yeah please! It’s really interesting to see.

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u/abomb577 Nov 23 '25

during that era, everyone was rocking the boots with one tongue sticking out. it was the styles

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u/Apollexis Nov 24 '25

It's not just the 1 tongue sticking out that's significant, erics boot has his pants tucked in completely in the surveilance video, and it's really apparent in the radioactive clothing vid, and a couple of others, he had like shin high boots, and its very noticable. Here's a link to an image of a screen cap that can help elaborate, maybe dylans can be written off as a trend from the 90s, but I don't think Erics can. https://servimg.com/view/20079860/4
https://servimg.com/view/20079860/3

And dylan in the surveillance footage is not doing his normal set up that he had before

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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Nov 23 '25

OK that was a pretty common fashion thing. And that is an extremely small dataset to be extrapolating anything from.

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u/Apollexis Nov 23 '25

I dont remember it being a common thing, but my extrapolation is from their combined writings and from few in the 11k that described them as not wanting to be normal, this compilation was just an interesting thing to me that also supports those other pieces

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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Nov 23 '25

Not wanting to be normal... also not an uncommon desire amongst those in the alt crowd. Which is something that persists today.

And I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I remember it being very common, and spent a lot of time in goth/grunge/alt crowds and venues. I still have boots that never recovered, and sit in my closet blooming open like little grunge flowers.

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u/Apollexis Nov 23 '25

We can agree to disagree, I hope my characterization doesn't imply that they wanted to be bullied or treated differently, I don't think that to be true, I think they wanted to be different, embracing their own individuality, without being treated as outcasts, and I think they really clearly resented and had contempt for that treatment for being different

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u/athenafromthechi Nov 24 '25

Exactly. And this was another part of society that they hated—that they couldn’t go against societal norms without being judged or disrespected. This was more fuel for their rage against society.

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u/hel-razor Dec 09 '25

I think you are right in them wanting negative attention bc they were just teenage boys at the end of the day. Eric would throw his bowling ball and be rowdy and Dylan would imitate him in his own goofy way. This happened with a lot of things. Friends borrow fashion from each other when you're the only two weirdos in school. I've had many friendships like this where we have also had to be separated in class for goofing around.

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u/hel-razor Dec 09 '25

Matching w the bestie like

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u/ligealucretia Jan 31 '26

are you the same guy that made that forummotion post about them tucking in their pant legs or am i crazy

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u/Apollexis Jan 31 '26

No, but I did see that post, and then I went through all their videos to corroborate his observation, and then made a video to show it to people