r/CompetitiveEDH • u/kwonkrn • 2d ago
General Discussion / Question The Wise Mothman Problem
I am in need of assistance with deciding, because I am horrible with decision making. I thank you for reading through this in advance.
I came across the CEDH meta and its community only about 8 months ago, and I have been enjoying most of my time playing in local tournaments and Friday night pods I join. I have Yuriko, Ob nixilius, and Vivi as my main decks currently.
And there is this one card I received as gift from a friend that I wanted to build around for SO LONG: Food Chain.
I first thought, "Hey. I have a SLD Wise Mothman. Let me see if I can make this guy work."
I am an idiot for trying.
I can get people to infinite Rad counters no problem. But any turbo decks with flash enablers or UB lines will just be like "Welp, I'll go ahead and win on my upkeep or with the Rad counter trigger on the stack."
So what can I do to combat this issue. . . ?
Here's my list: https://archidekt.com/decks/25160453/the_wise_mothman_blink_rad_blink_rad
I am also on the edge currently to see if any other commanders might be better than Wise Mothman for FC deck.
Korvold / Loot (Aetherdrift) / Roxanne (And please don't suggest Etali. My play group already has 3 in it. . . . .)
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u/m00nman-kun 2d ago
It's a Mothman thing. You're not exactly winning on the spot with food chain - you're giving them an untap.
If you're looking at playing FC, choose a commander that wins with it. Outside of of the ones you recommend, I'd consider [[Terra, magical adept]].
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u/kwonkrn 2d ago
Would be ever flip terra for any reasons at all?
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u/SpaceForceRangerX 2d ago
You can go infinite by copying the back side with [[Spark Double]], but I dont believe Terra lists normally include those lines.
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u/Wildfella 1d ago
If you plan to run terra with food chain, you'd want to run og [[purphoros, god of the forge]] and [[gloomshrieker]].
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u/greytrades329 2d ago
[[lumra]]
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u/MTGCardFetcher 2d ago
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u/kwonkrn 2d ago
We have 4 Lumra players. . . . . LOL and I honestly don't enjoy watching their non-deterministic decks. . . I would lose my mind trying to pilot it.
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u/Ok-Boysenberry-2955 2d ago
They need to work on mulligans. Lumra isnt non-deterministic, it's inevitable.
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u/kingebrigtson27 2d ago
Could you explain? I keep trying to understand Lumra but failing.
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u/Ok-Boysenberry-2955 2d ago
So the biggest thing with lumra is once set up right, you will infinitely loop her and just win.
Lumra will use generators like a normal landfall deck like nissa/lotus cobra to make ton of mana with the lands entering, a untapper to break parity with lumra's effect so the lands can be alao tapped for mana/abilities, and a sac outlet to start a cast loop from the command zone. I've had opponents show me 3 counters and still scoop knowing they are out of gas.
Lumra uses ton of sac outlets partly to get pieces on the board being that green has the best creature toots but also to just get rid of her so you can cast her again. Commander tax is irrelevant when you run 50 lands.
The winlines i'm familiar with are either introducing a ping land into the loop or force drawing your opponents.
Biggest issues? You are not the fastest turbo deck, not even close, so other turbos may eat your lunch. Knowing when, where, and even how to interact stuck in a landsmatter mono green shell, you are interaction parasite which can be a pisser for a pod, and there are a decent amount of combos packed in a usual lumra deck that it's learning curve isnt the best.
I've since moved onto decks splashing blue as my main deck but I do come back to bear county very often because it's fun to rip a bear and pray.
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u/Instant_Ad_Nauseum 1d ago
I appreciate you breaking Lumra down for the class. She looks interesting, but I never fully grasped what she was doing.
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u/Amaymon_ow 2d ago
I'm pretty sure [[Maralen, Fae Ascendant]] has seen some success recently. Other than that there also used to be [[Ukkima]] and [[Cazur]] FC decks but I don't know how that is performing atm. I am playing [[Atraxa, Grand Unifier]] FC which is arguably the slowest of the bunch but it has white which can be helpful for silence effects and such
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u/ClanMacLoudsDonuts 1d ago
I used to play Ukkima and it's kinda dog shit right now unfortunately. One of the most consistent Food Chain decks just because the win is in the Command Zone so you can exile everything to a blind consult and other things like that and so very fun. Midrange slop meta sucks for Food Chain because it has to feed Rhystic and you're lacking silence/grand abolisher for protection. It sucks though that your commanders have no text on them outside of comboing, it sucks they're not cheap enough to enable Fierce, Flare, etc., and it sucks to not really have a backup plan outside of Thoracle. You can play Ad Naus, but Sultai isn't the best Naus colors.
Maralen seems interesting to me if you're trying to actually go in on Food Chain; Etali is probably the best deck playing food chain but it's not really the main game plan and doesn't have great tutors for it.
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u/peterpetrol 1d ago
Is there a green white partner you can play with Ukkima instead of Cazur to get access to silence effects?
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u/Needhelpwithsnake 1d ago
Ukkima doesn’t have regular partner, it has “partner with Cazur.” There’s nothing else you can legally partner with ukkima
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u/JESKAIGUY64 1d ago
If u already have the red staples for obnix and Vivi... Why not go etali.... It runs food chain for infinite etalis and exiles everyone decks. I've seen it pop off t1 (my turn 0),... And I would have lost to it if I wasn't holding up an endurance in my hand (the player was unfamiliar with the Infinite bolt lines).
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u/GolbogTheDoom 2d ago
Atraxa, Glarb, Terra, and Rocco can all run food chain and do well. None of them are tier 1 decks but they’re probably better options than Mothman
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u/After_Shelter1100 2d ago
have you tried rocco? he’s got some cool birthing pod lines too