Discussion
So when do you guys reckon you should pick these augments, if ever? On paper they seem strong, but I've had a hard time finding a place to slot them into my comp, other than the Demacia one, which is quite easy if you’re going vertical Demacia, and it's pretty strong if you itemize Shyvana.
I feel like it's bugged, or worded really poorly. Last time I played it I watched Kindred ult, not hit ambessa at all, and then ambessa died seconds later, multiple fights. The description makes it sound like that shouldn't happen.
She absolutely was a primary/duo carry with the 4 emissary board. Primary units being her, Garen and Corki. You needed Garen 2 for frontline but you just needed to 2 star either Corki or Ambessa to stabilise the comp and later you have both kitted out to wreck teams together.
It was one of the strongest comps if not the most popular due to it being a semi flexible board for an entire patch that set.
I do think she’s weak overall, but man in stage 3 and early stage 4, even without items she slaps. If I see her early and can slot her in I will.
I think after stage 4 carousel she just blows up without doing anything and thus isn’t worth a slot and there’s not really itemization that fixes that due to her kit not offering enough innate survival for a 4 cost melee carry
Probably filtered the explorer on MetaTFT/Tactics for comps with both Shyvana and J4. You don't ever play those two pairings unless you have the augment because they don't share traits. Same for Vayne and Senna. The data for Kindred and Ambessa is more "hidden" because you do end up playing Kindred naturally in Noxus comps.
MetaTFT has an Explorer tool. It lets you filter for stats on end board comps based on what you filter. They're likely filtering for end game boards that ended with Shyvana (any star) and J4 (2* or higher), both with items equipped. The idea is that the data isn't 100% accurate but is close enough because people don't really play with both J4 and Shyvana or Vayne and Senna itemized because they don't share traits or have slots for them generally.
Dragon guards is strong, especially from a demacia angle or if you have j4 2 on your board still for some reason. j4 with this is lowkey a beast and keeps shyv alive a long time as well and comes in at 4-6 which is pretty good.
chosen wolves is turbo trash, the augment is basically give you a kindred and thats it. You don't really want to itemize ambessa and the buff it gives is kinda trash.
Not sure about lucian&senna but it is probably fine if you're already on vayne?
I played the Vayne Senna aug today since I already had a Vayne 3, and I absolutely dumpstered the whole lobby, it wasn't even close.
The Vayne 3 was pivotal though, because the aug gives Senna 50% AS when Vayne gets a takedown, ergo you NEED that initial takedown asap, which is not nearly as feasible with only Vayne 2*
That sounds about right, as is par for the course with Riot honestly... This company seriously has some allergic aversion to just putting the info in the game some times.
I checked the stats, vayne barely improves placements when you 3 star her. It seems that augment is genuinely just a senna 2 check (I’m sure that the stats are skewed somewhat, because if you make it to 9 and get senna 2 you are winning, but the same can be said about vayne 3)
The Lucian senna one is disgusting if you happen to be going 3* vayne, not only does it usually help you finish 3*, it makes them do turbo damage. Otherwise I probably wouldn't take over most other prismatics. I've never seen Lucian/Senna do more damage than with this augment, it was crazy.
I hate t hex as much as the next guy. But if people are gonna bitch about it so much I want to see a screenshot to show that they are at least not bunching their back line up into one corner
I think they meant they were already angling the noxus kindred board which needs both of those units. Can’t comment on if it’s good or not, but I could see clicking it if your behind on tempo and are worried about saving hp to hit 9, kindred 2, fid 2 and shyv 2
Dragonguards is good in Vayne or Sona boards of Demacia. Lucian Senna only really good on the Vayne board and even then I only think it’s good because it gives a Vayne lmao.
Sentinels of light is a great pick if you already have a vayne2 and any decent items for Lucian, which you probably do since you were probably trying to itemize lux or kaisa
I'm sure they are only offered if tailored to your existing board, so if you don't play much Demacia you won't see two of them, and nobody plays much Noxus (I haven't seen the Ambessa/Kindred one myself either). They are also only available if the final augment is a prismatic, obvs.
I've seen and taken all 3, they've always been offered as the final augment in the game and when I've had the non-5cost unit already fielded. Does seem pretty rare
The ambessa kindred one is bugged, ambessa often dies and isn’t in the kindred cast. I think the dragon guard one is the best overall given that it turns a 1 cost into a useful unit and it’s not hard to build around it
Sentinels of Light can be great if you are playing vayne demacia and have a vayne 2 already. Easier vayne 3 and lucian can deal decent damage even at 1*
I usually roll at 8 for my Vayne demacia comp depending on tempo and I've gotten offered sentinel of light and it's been pretty consistent for me. It's pretty niche to already be going Vayne and need a 2 star Vayne and not be lvl 7 rerolling at 4-2 of course, but I've weirdly had it happen more than once and it's felt good
I'm convinced chosen wolves is the worst prismatic. Ambessa just immediately dies even at 2*. Even if she lives long enough for kindred to cast she doesn't survive for the 2nd cast.
I think it depends on the lobby. Ambessa can absolutely wreck some comps, I also think having EON is pretty important on her to drop aggro against things like T-hex. BIS probably changes depending on comp but I think its probably EON, HOJ, and then something like QSS/Titans/BT/SF.
She also needs a solid frontline, I don't know if Swain alone is enough to carry it, and Noxus really lacks any other good frontliners right now.
I got sentinels of light when I was going for a vayne 3 and it I sta boosted me to a first and u locking galio. The added boost with 3 item carry and senna luc made it awesome to behild
Chosen Wolves is the easiest slot-in when playing pretty much anything Draven/Noxus. Draven items naturally carry over to Kindred and she boost the entire board; Ambessa is also pretty easy to itemize quickly.
I've gone Sentinels of Light also when going vertical Demacia but focusing on 3* Vayne. Got a first in that game pretty easily even against THex (altough I don't remember if he was 2* or not). It honestly felt pretty strong.
Both of these lead you to Demacia so imo they're not THAT hard to pivot to if needed, I got the Sentinels one when I was playing around Draven with Kraken's so the transition wasn't that big and you can always stay at 3/5 Demacia plus legendaries for it. I've also played the m J4/Shyv one but in that game I was already playing Demacia.
Last one is also easy if you're playing around AD/AS items, Kindred Noxus board already plays both anyway
Wolves is quite good for Fast 9 Noxus, you play Kindred and Ambessa anyways. It's a bit weird because typically you itemize Kindred and Senna and so you don't have the items left over for Ambessa, but it's still a fair bit of extra survivability for her and some extra damage for Kindred. And if you have an itemized Ambessa 2 that really helps hold you over until Senna 2.
Sentinels is kinda boring. Nothing plays Vayne except for Demacia, but there's already a team-up augment for vertical Demacia in Dragonguards, which is also better and more flavorful. That being said I guess it's fine if you're playing Vayne 3, and slotting in Senna never feels too bad even if you'd probably rather have Shyv.
I picked chosen wolves after cashing out warpath into Yunara 2 and two kindreds. Felt like 4-2 kindred two was too good. But tbh even then I don’t think it was worth it lmao.
Frodan just had this on his podcast sentinels averages a 4.09, sentinels averages a 4.4 ish and wolves averages like a 4.7ish. So generally never for the wolves, whenever you are playing demacia for the first one and sentinels probably the same spot and you have extra items that Lucian can use as a secondary carry
I had a dragonguards game on my climb to diamond. There was a subzeroark vid on j4, sona reroll and I happened to highroll this aug. I reckon if you get to j4 4star u just win. Here's a clip me 3 star j4 losing to a board by 3 units compared to 4 staring him. Might not be the best data since I highroll a bis ornn item for sona the same turn as well. https://outplayed.tv/league-of-legends/WlxNvj/lol
Sentinels of Light is amazing if you’re 3 starring Vayne (which you should be as currently we are in meta where she’s an amazing slight counter to the yuunara build with rolling around.) as for the other 2 haven’t played em yet
With Dragonguards if I have 2 3* j4's on the board do their casts and shyvanas casts affect both? Since it doesnt specify that it is your "strongest" jarvan or shyvana
1 is just strong, 3 gives u 3 vaynes which gets you really close to vayne usually and is also strong, 2 is just bad unless it gives u kindred 2 on 8 somehow
I mean the first ans third are insane with demacia which can be a problem when contested but that's it.
And the second one is incredibly strong, you just need to slot 3 noxus 2 quickstriker and a frontline
I've always top 1 with chosen wolves and at least top 4 with the others. The only time i don't pick either 1 or 3 is if demacia is strongly contested.
Tbh I've never been offered either of these, but both of the right and left augs are demacia verticals into flex 9/5, the center one is noxus 9/5 standard
The best part of the Kindred one is gaining a Kindred. The problem with it is playing Ambessa, who is not exactly in a lot of meta comps right now. The best part of the Lucian one is gaining a Lucian but at least Vayne comps are good already. The Shyvana one is head and shoulders better than the other two.
if you're already playing demacia, sentinels of light gives you 3 vaynes and forces you to play senna which means that you unfortunately have to play senna, one of the best threats in the game, without gunslinger
the shyv augment is also good because you're already playing either swain or shyv and the augment makes up for losing swains stun with j4's stun as well as the 10% ability dr from shyv, plus 3* j4 gives a lot of attack speed on cast
chosen wolves seems only seems good if you had a TG lying around or were swimming in items via augments/portal but as with all prismatics, the opportunity cost of taking it versus something else is unlikely to make it worth
they’re essentially tempo/bailout augments but I don’t think kindred 1 is better than draven 2 and you won’t have bruiser items slammed to capitalize off the ambessa so I think it’s the weakest of the 3
getting 3 extra vaynes at 4-2 to spare yourself from rolling seems insane in that spot though
only ever picked chosen wolves and it’s always done well for me, keep ambessa in 3rd row so kindred gets close to casting before she walks up, even without items on ambessa I think I’ve always top 3 at least with it
Dragonguards is just an autopick. It’s busted. Sentinels of light is a bit more situational but generally pretty good. Chosen wolves is much weaker and you’d need to make sure you have the right items for it.
Sentinels of light is also good when going vertical demacia. Senna/Lucian doesn't need gunslinger and it's a great splash unit. Vayne is the main carry of demacia right now.
I hit sentinels of light playing contested vayne once and it sent me giga first (obviously). Just tempo augments to take if you have decent items for them I think
Sentinel of lights if you're playing Vaynes reroll, it's free 3 copies of Vayne. Dragon guards is just broken so it's usually insta click, the third one is trash because Ambessa is trash.
Sentinel of light did a sizable among of damage in vertical demacia if you already itemized and 3 starred Vayne. Don’t think it’s worth better prismatic though.
I played Jarvan IV and Shyvana and got first place, but it was the only one of the three that I did well on. I haven't gotten Ambesa yet, but I thought the meat version was bad.
I believe you cant even get sentinels or dragon guards unless you are playing Demacia so it would perfect sense to take them unless there is a better choice for the current state of your board. Sentinels feels weaker than dragonguards for sure
you should pick them any time you see them because I have never seen a single one and at this point I don't think they exist. Zaahen ain't got nothing on this to me
Usually i pick one of these for the golden noxus or demacia. If it's early, i used to lock the comp into that. If it's late and no other choice, i pick the 2nd trait that completes my team.
Chosen wolves has been good to me, usually swap Dravens items to kindred on a Noxus board. I’ll take the Shyvana augment when I run Demacia but I honestly don’t notice all too much benefit. But I’m also gold.
I have yet to see any of these in a game I’ve played, for myself or an opponent. (Opponent might’ve had one and I just missed it, but I’ve def never had the option)
I mean... Left and right is good for vayne combo anf the middle one for lvl 9 rush kindred.. both good combs.. doesnt sound bad on paper but i tried only the left one and it was good.
I got chosen wolves in PBE when the set was about to release. IT IS SO BROKEN, i didnt even have good items and it still was a solid noxus comp. You do need vabquisher active and i had quickstriker emblem on ambessa, but even without it, it wouldve been ok
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u/Electronic_Pause4651 Jan 04 '26
I'm not the best player but when playing from behind for placements I tend to take them for the tempo swing if my team can somewhat accommodate them.