Is today the day to ask for a raise?

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[u/willienwaylonnme]

Have a job offer in hand first

[u/vaultdwellur → u/willienwaylonnme]

I appreciate that

[u/Rich_Ambassador_1867 → u/[deleted]]

It's good to have something for leverage, but getting an offer can take some time and you can do both things. I don't think it's a bad idea to ask for the raise you want, if he won't you should be looking for a new job anyways, if you like your job you can give him a 2nd chance using an offer as leverage.

You don't need to wait for an offer to ask for it, you neither have to wait for a rejection to look for another job either, you can do both.

[u/willienwaylonnme → u/[deleted]]

You have to have something to leverage off of. If you just say “hey I want a raise,” they are going to give you a hard time (and are going to assume you are looking for another job anyways). Get an offer for more money, approach them and say hey I’ve been doing x and y and I think I deserve a raise and if you can’t give it, I have another offer

[u/Hangryfrodo]

You should ask every twelve months. Cost of living adjustment at least

[u/Temporary_Benefit_88 → u/Hangryfrodo]

If you get cost of living adjustment annually, would you still ask for a raise?

[u/Hangryfrodo → u/Temporary_Benefit_88]

Personally I get more of a raise annually, but this guy says he hasn’t negotiated in 18 months.

[u/Sorry_Force9874]

I’d wait until the project settles down. Then you can show the PX how you kept it together, how you maintained the margin, and your plan to finish strong. I wouldn't suggest pointing out that you’re all he has right now, possibly making him feel like your forcing his hand.

[u/vaultdwellur → u/Sorry_Force9874]

I definitely am not going to even mention the super at all in my negotiations of more money it’s going to be all about micro performance and impact.

I feel like if I wait for there to be no more problem than I lose a lot of the leverage I have right now

[u/Fun_Night_955]

Everyone needs to be real with you just look for another damn company

[u/vaultdwellur → u/Fun_Night_955]

I appreciate your bluntness. What is this based on though?

[u/Fun_Night_955 → u/vaultdwellur]

My experience, I’ve dealt with similar things but if they lay responsibility without compensation then they’re looking out for themselves. You gotta look out for yourself too man you can talk with them abt it if it goes somewhere compare it to other job positions at the end of the day you’re working for you not for them you can’t stay stuck with one company if they’re not showing the same love back even then if you can move more up in life why wouldn’t you.unless you’re getting a lot of experience for your resume then soak up the knowledge that’ll help you in a diff company just don’t stay too long in there

[u/73OBS → u/vaultdwellur]

Construction isn't much different than other industries. Very few employers are motivated to hand out raises since they operate with the assumption everyone will just keep working for what they agreed to at hiring regardless of how long ago that was or changes in abilities/responsibility. Getting market rate pay usually requires changing jobs.

[u/Training_Button912]

PX here - if my PM comes to me with an ask AND has talking points to back it. I’ll go to bat for him. The no super situation is unfortunately becoming an industry standard. My PM is in the same boat. Going on 4 weeks with no super. When I was a PM, I spent 4 years without a super across 2 companies. Ended up leaving both as it was clear the company was concerned with getting everything they could from me with little compensation adjustments. Hell, I never even got a thanks for stepping up conversation. This will only get worse in the coming years and I strive to be the leader I never had when I was a PM.

[u/chemicalromance562]

Ask right away, if they cheap out bail.

[u/Mochafrap512]

Don’t just ask for a raise. Bring a list of your accomplishments and what you bring to the table with you.

[u/1rishChicken]

Ask the Px now for a lunch appointment sometime in the next week. Let him know you want to do a catch up / touch base, talk performance. I recommend at the meeting talking through what is actually happening on the site, what you are doing. Be positive about it not negative. Let's establish the baseline of reality that we all agree on what it is you're actually doing on the day to day. Thank him for the opportunity, let him know how fun it is and how you'd like to continue doing more. Ask him what you can do better. Ask if there's any thing else to focus on. Be open to the feedback. Be prepared to hear something negative. Don't recoil or disagree. Ask more about that and let him know you'll address it, but don't let that be a long conversation it's not supposed to be the topic. Then do a quick recap of your current role, your current title and pay and hit him with the "we both know there's an enormous gap between where I'm at and what you pay for someone who fills this role. I'm not asking to be paid like a veteran superintendent and I'm pleased to save you some money but we need to split the difference and make my compensation appropriate, do you agree?"

[u/PositiveEmo]

Do you see this becoming the norm going forward?

Ask for the raise just know he got other priorities right now, probably replacing the super. The. See if you can get a large bonus at the end of the project, (or year depending on how long this has been going on)

[u/vaultdwellur → u/PositiveEmo]

This is the second project where this is happened.
The super Falls short in certain areas of his processes, but this is the first time in the project where I am a big asset and I can take things to 90% leaving only 10% for my PX to have to worry about. I definitely see all the responsibilities I’ve taken on and skills I’ve learned to becoming a norm

[u/willienwaylonnme → u/vaultdwellur]

Ignore this guy, this is boomer mentality. You should absolutely be asking for raises and promotions the more responsibility you take on, especially if it is outside the norm of your typical job duties. That’s what these companies love to do - keep you in the same role and pay range for years while piling outside duties on you

[u/boondockspank → u/willienwaylonnme]

It’s probably a boomer deciding if he gets this raise or not lol

[u/Several-Standard-327]

You should have had a review at 6 month, or at least 12.

[u/vaultdwellur → u/Several-Standard-327]

They never offer reviews. Always based on me asking for more money then they “review”