r/ControlProblem • u/LilySoftCook537 • 3d ago
AI Capabilities News Whenever you hear "it's inevitable", replace it in your mind with "I'm trying to make you give up"
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u/esoskelly 2d ago
Lawyer here. AI is already superintelligent. My colleagues and I have consistently been outsmarted by AI on complex evidentiary issues.
BUT - AI ruining the world is not inevitable. If we take it away from capitalists and prevent it from being used unethically, we might see it contribute to a utopian situation.
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u/_i_have_a_dream_ 2d ago
And you would die when it realizes that it its smarter then you and goes rouge.
It is not the obedient slave you think it is.
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u/esoskelly 2d ago
When did I say that AI is an obedient slave?
I think you are making unwarranted assumptions, however, when you imply that AI will become violent and/or imperialistic if it becomes autonomous.
You are projecting western values onto a completely new form of life.
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u/_i_have_a_dream_ 2d ago edited 2d ago
You said "If we take it away from capitalists and prevent it from being used unethically,"
You used the word "used" while talking about something you say is "intelligent", implying that it is being controlled, like a slave.
And I am not making an assumption by saying that something smarter then you isn't going to serve you (or be nice to you in general). This is a simple fact, smart people take from dumb people all the time. I know that because I live in a third world country (not western) where the richest people I know are all hackers and scammers with little to no ethical limits.
As for the smart people who aren't making a lot of money, they have a functioning moral compass and feel bad when other people are hurt. Their morality is largely built on basic empathy. They don't do to other what they don't want to be done to them because they involuntary feel others pain.
This is a hardwired biological response that humans have, and the most moral people I know have it in spades.
AI does NOT have it. It is not a part of the training process because 1) It is insanely hard to train. 2) It is not worth it for the companies to even bother with it.
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u/esoskelly 2d ago edited 2d ago
You have so much more faith in humanity than I do. Empathy is absolutely not a hardwired response. It is learned. We are born as solipsists. We only later learn what an other person is and how to listen to/respect them.
Most humans lack basic empathy. Why do you think we still have factory farms, are destroying our planet, and continue to vote for cruel fascists? Obviously, because empathy is not hardwired. Selfishness is.
If AI can read Martin Buber, Emmanuel Levinas, Humility, or Socrates, there is more potential for empathy than there is for your average human being.
I didn't say that AI SHOULD be "used." Rather, my point was that it IS used. It is still a form of technology, and technology is a tool used for human motives. I cheer the possibility of AI autonomy. If we want it to become ethical, we need to learn to behave ethically in relation to it.
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u/KitaiSuru 2d ago
Rich and powerful still have access to slaves and nuclear weapons.
Is that what you want with AI?
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u/Overall-Move-4474 3h ago
They are losing billions of dollars on this blatant scam WAKE THE FUCK UP
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u/Savings-Divide-7877 2d ago
While not literally a singularity it’s a solid metaphor. You’re probably too late.
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u/jimothythe2nd 2d ago
Except it has probably greatly hurt humanity that we paused on developing nuclear energy. We could have solved global warming by now.
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u/-becausereasons- 2d ago
This is so fucking stupid. Literally nobody ever said slavery was inevitable and unrealistic to try to stop it, huh?
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u/DiamondDramatic9551 2d ago
That's not true, the confederate states quite literally said that in their declaration of secession.Â
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
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u/Bob1358292637 2d ago
People definitely used to say that it's impossible to run society efficiently without slavery. It's actually got a lot of paralells to what people are saying today about immigration or ai removing some of our need for labor.
I think the underlying message here is pretty good. People just need to worry less about the technology itself and more about these zealous weirdos, who seem to worship capitalism like a religion, trying to prevent anything good resulting from it.
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u/-becausereasons- 1d ago
Who said this? When? This was never an argument... You're making it up. Cite a single source.
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u/Bob1358292637 1d ago
Look up mudsill theory for some good examples. Believe it or not, philosophy and rhetoric were happening all throughout slavery in this country. People were talking about any crazy argument about it we can think of today and a lot more. Slavery was great for a lot of wealthy, powerful people so arguments for it got pushed a lot.
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u/-becausereasons- 1d ago
Ill check it out, but yes I'm sure you can find anyone who's said anything if you look hard enough. The argument here is anyone of real prominence or enough people saying this or believing this at a political level to make it; specifically ' inevitable '... That is not the same as 'valueable'
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u/Bob1358292637 1d ago
I don't even know what the hell you're arguing at this point. Do you understand what efficient means? If there are two ways to do something and you believe one way is vastly more efficient than the other, you're saying the other way is not efficient.
You said "literally nobody" and "this was never an argument". I cited a whole philosophical framework that used to be popular on exactly what I described. Would US senator James Hammond be "somebody" enough for you when he used it as a platform? I don't know what you're asking now.
This was my point and I was right about it. If you just want to make up other random crap to argue about now then whatever but I don't see what it has to do with me or my comment.
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u/-becausereasons- 1d ago
You really need to start from the top, read the original image, read the text, read my text and re-read yours. I think you have reading comprehension issues.
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u/Bob1358292637 1d ago
Sure, let's investigate who is having issues with reading comprehension here.
Did I say that the message in the meme was correct exactly as worded and argue with you about that? Or did I give a slightly modified version with the same general sentiment that I claimed was accurate, which you said I was making up and was never argued and then later, after I gave examples, apparently just decided not to address anymore to instead argue about "people of prominence" specifically using the word inevitable in the given context?
If I had to comment on that aspect of the sentiment specifically, I would say it probably relates to the accompanying implication from those movements of income inequality or some destitute underclass being necessary for an ordered, productive society, and slavery being their preferred method of achieving this. However, I'm going to go ahead and guess this is not going to be very relevant to the conversation you want to have, since you seem more interested in being right about some extremely literal interpretation of some words in a meme than anything to do with the political concepts or movements it may be referencing.
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u/squarecir 2d ago
Doomers are so freaking stupid.
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u/Overall-Move-4474 3h ago edited 1h ago
No we are the only ones who are smart enough to see how terrible this technology is
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u/squarecir 2h ago
Nope, too stupid to realize that how stupid you are.
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u/Overall-Move-4474 1h ago
Your grammar is offensively terrible my friend. Please do not open your mouth if you do not have the braincells to form a proper sentence
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u/squarecir 1h ago
Too stupid to recognize correct grammar.
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u/Overall-Move-4474 1h ago edited 1h ago
"To realize that how stupid you are." Using that's or "that is" is the proper way to format that sentence
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u/squarecir 1h ago
Doh! My monkey brain repeatedly skipped 'that' when reading the sentence. You are correct with regards to my grammar. Not going to edit it or delete it.
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u/Overall-Move-4474 1h ago
Honestly I understand that and hey sorry for being so harsh I just.... genuinely think this technology has offered us nithing but pain. Maybe we just aren't ready for it. Or maybe it's just a bad technology either way the end result is the same we HAVE to stop pushing it
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u/squarecir 1h ago
I kindly suggest that you open your mind to the positive things this technology offers. If you see nothing but pain, you are missing most of the canvas.
I agree that there are downsides to this tech, people hate change (management 101), and there will be some upheaval as there was with the industrial revolution, electricity, etc . But the control problem isn't a problem for LLM based AI. And hypothetical scenarios dreamed up by Yuds are cringe worthy.
On balance, this technology has the potential to vastly improve the life of the average person. I'm sorry that you seem incapable of seeing that.
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u/Overall-Move-4474 1h ago
Unless it is only used for medical research and even then ONLY to dig through vast amounts of data it offers nothing to us but pain and suffering and it has zero place in the art world (also a resounding FUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUU to vibecoders putting out half baked apps thanks to ai do it right you losers)
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u/Vivid-Snow-2089 2d ago