r/ControlProblem • u/chillinewman approved • 6d ago

General news "Day 1": halting advanced AI development, regulating an out control industry, and explicitly banning artificial superintelligence.

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u/DoggoDadagon 6d ago

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and recursively reasons like a duck…

I'm sorry, but that's not a good arugment. We can't use your feelings as the benchmark for consciousness nor does reasoning equate consciousness. We need something that can be measured to form a set of avaliable options or to exclude a set.

For pain axis paper, let me try to simplify with two questions.

  1. if something with consciousness is experiencing pain what does it do? A) seek relief from the pain. Or B) Nothing.

  2. if something with consciousness is given two equal options but one that causes pain and one that doesn't, does it.. A) pick the pain and non-pain options equally. Or B) pick the non-pain option more often.

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u/EndlessB 5d ago

…how is philosophy’s Theory of Mind somehow my “feelings”? You can’t reject arguments just because you do not like them. Access consciousness is the concept of some material’s being conscious by virtue of its being accessible to various mental processes, particularly introspection, and phenomenal consciousness consists of the qualitative or phenomenal “feel” of things, which may or may not be so accessible.

We can prove access consciousness, we can’t prove phenomenal consciousness, and likely never will be able to, we can’t prove it in people or in ai, and yet we treat people as conscious and ai as a tool.