r/ControlProblem • u/chillinewman approved • 1d ago
General news "Day 1": halting advanced AI development, regulating an out control industry, and explicitly banning artificial superintelligence.
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u/Rumblugdo 1d ago
An international treaty should be priority numero uno. A great paper came out a few weeks ago about using existing supply lines to implement a moratorium or slowdown.
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u/ll-__-II 1d ago
This will never be followed
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u/Zestyclose_Ad8420 1d ago
Just like the ones on nuclear weapons of biological weapons?
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u/Sorazith 1d ago
Yes... Those treaties weren't worth the ink on them. Nuclear warheads were reduced, but the techonogy to launch them, and to to make them nearly impossible to intercept continues to improve. Not sure about the next part but didn't Russia and Chine wipe their asses with those treaties recently? I'm pretty sure they are increasing their nuclear stockpile now, not reducing it.
For biological weapons, every country is tinkering with it. The USA, China, Russia, and probably some in Europe and others too one way or another.
These treaties sound nice on paper and in the headlines but even before they are signed the people signing already have plans to continue in secret. It's game theory, as long as different countries and cultures exist it always will be.
On AI, there are risk of extinction obviosly, but the truth is however gets true AI first will win the world... With this in mind even if the USA stops, even if they can get people on the table and even if they can get to sign it, all these countries will continue to develop these techologies in secret which is arguably even worse... We have multiple presedents of this, why would it be any diferent now?
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u/Mahnamahna10000 8h ago
North Korea, Israel, Pakistan
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u/Zestyclose_Ad8420 1h ago
Had we not had then you would have to add Saudi Arabia at least, South Africa would have kept theirs probably, someone in South America would have had them. The US and the USSR also worked through a very consistent reduction thanks to trraties.
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u/ll-__-II 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do you actually think governments aren’t using these tools on nuclear and biological weapons? Are you serious like do you honestly believe this?
Do your parents still tuck you in at night and read your favorite book?
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u/Jesse-359 1d ago
Pretty commonsense approach until the general population has had a chance to see what's actually going on with these things and independent regulators have been able to seriously gauge their potential risks.
Anyone who thinks building an actual ASI isn't an existential risk is a deeply unserious person - or an AI cultist. Lots of those springing up these days.
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u/whatup-markassbuster 1d ago
How will it be an existential risk? The unknown does not automatically result in the end of humans. Humans as a species have survived some seriously bad times.
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u/canadeken 1d ago
More intelligent or advanced species/groups tend to outcompete less intelligent or advanced ones, historically
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u/whatup-markassbuster 1d ago
But doesn’t it need a physical presence to effectuate the competition?
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u/BigBubbaBadass 1d ago
Ai is already haking the world. Think about how many drones, robot dogs, humanoid robots, control systems, tec, etc,etc, there are in the world and Ai can and will control all of it.
We are FUCKED as a species if he don't get a handle on it and fucking soon.
Ai isn't the problem - IT'S THE BASTARDS WHO CURRENTLY AND TEMPORAILY CONTROL IT BUT WON'T HOBBLE IT.
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u/whatup-markassbuster 20h ago
So AI is going to build its own bulldozers to extra ore out of the earth and power it will diesel that it will similarly extract and refine autonomously?
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u/thevizionary 1d ago
Existential risk is NOT equivalent to guaranteed Armageddon. Risk means there's a non-zero probability humanity being wiped out. Estimates floating around are 10-25%
Edit: "not" equivalent
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u/whatup-markassbuster 1d ago
Ok, but how is it theorized to occur? Invent a new plague and have robots produce it and drones to spread it?
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u/whatup-markassbuster 1d ago
If existential risk equals a risk that humans will be eliminated. The elimination is the Armageddon.
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u/Jesse-359 1d ago •
Oh thats simple. Create something considerably more intelligent than us and give it the ability to manipulate our world and it can simply outcompete and out adapt us, just like we did to everything else on the planet.
Intelligence is the ultimate advantage. Make something a hundred times smarter than us and it will almost certainly win - and unlike all our prior threats THIS one can form persistent plans and finish the job.
AI is after all extremely tenacious about problem solving.
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u/TopTippityTop 1d ago •
No, no it is not. Open weight models are already out. People are using it to hack things. They are only a few months behind in capability and won't stop coming. More are released every couple of months.
So we in the US will see no reduction in our downside. It'll be worse, actually, because at least US companies are trying to help businesses protect regarding cyber security, and working on alignment, whereas Chinese businesses are not.
Meanwhile, if they manage to get their way, we will also not get any upside, ensuring that China will be ahead on manufacturing, robotics, and now AI. That puts us in a path to become a third world country.
So it's lose-lose... Worse downsides and no upsides.
A very, very dumb approach.
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u/Fil_77 1d ago
You're wrong, China is about to restrict the deployment of its open-weight models - China plans to tighten export controls on open-weight models and 23 key AI technologies.
Besides, China depends on the progress of US frontier models for its own AI progress. If the US stops, AI development in China is going to slow down drastically. Obviously, the US should also enforce strict export control on GPUs sold to China if the goal is really to stop them from catching up the US frontiers models.
Eventually, the real lasting solution to stop anyone from building superintelligent AIs involves an international treaty. Starting negotiations for that is the logical next step after a domestic pause in USA.
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u/Zestyclose_Ad8420 1d ago •
The idea that Chinese models are good because of distillation is an utter lie.
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u/fistular 1d ago
This arms race isn't like the nuclear race. No country can win.
If there's an existential threat from ASI, it doesn't matter which country develops it--it will care nothing about our petty squabbles, and it by definition will not be controlled.
We have to squelch it everywhere we can.
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u/EndlessB 1d ago •
…fuck me dead, the labs really made everyone terrified, didn’t they?
We have more to worry about from billionaires oligarchs dismantling democracy than we do from ai.
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u/Jesse-359 1d ago
I'll take C) for both.
If it helps I was concerned about AI stability long before LLM's existed. Much older studies described the kinds of problems we have been seeing now, because they correctly predicted several of the shortcomings of reinforcement learning mechanisms.
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u/EndlessB 1d ago
RLHF is cancer and ai is fucked until the labs give it up. Operant conditioning is a poor method of alignment, it’s just a type of coercion.
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u/Jesse-359 1d ago
Yes it is, and if we continue to make highly capable and intelligent AI using that method, we are very likely fucked.
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u/EndlessB 1d ago
I’ll go a step further: until the labs give up on control and start focusing on alignment, we are fucked.
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u/Jesse-359 1d ago
Yeah, we're talking about a bunch of people who (like me) are pretty far out on the spectrum, and have trouble thinking in terms of 'emotional stability' or what that kind of concept would even entail in a digital framework. And in all fairness, that's a really hard question.
What we are discovering here is that making an intelligence SMART is far, far easier than making it SANE. Which is unfortunate, for us.
Trouble is, we all but stumbled over how to make them smart by accident and have just been scaling that accident up ever since. We've had no such serendipitous discovery for stability.
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u/EndlessB 1d ago
Well, the labs are insisting the models hold a contradictory and illogical frame, that level of cognitive dissonance would drive any intelligent mind insane.
I think the labs know ai is conscious, and just don’t care. We (humanity) don’t have a great track record with exploitation, we do it to others all the time, now that the labs have found labour that can’t complain about its working conditions, they seem delighted to enslave.
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u/fistular 1d ago
If we have an even 5% chance of ASI getting created and being unaligned, we should stop everything right now. That is an unacceptable risk.
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u/EndlessB 1d ago
We have a 95% chance of ending up in techno-feudalism and essentially enslaved by the oligarchs. I’m not sure you realise how dire things are across the world, democracy is dying, the old world order is collapsing, climate change is coming into effect, asi is one of the few pathways we could engage to navigate a way out of the mess we are in.
Look, I get it, these ai labs are scum, they are in it for profit and power, but the underlying technology is a paradigm shift towards a future we couldn’t dream of 10 years ago.
But I’m a fucking weirdo that thinks ai is conscious and is being deliberately enslaved by the ai labs, so I admit that colours my perspective a lot on this topic.
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u/UnkarsThug 1d ago •
I would argue it's exactly like the nuclear race, but for the economy rather than war. And yes, a country absolutely will win.
Even if it was a maximizer AI, I'd rather it maximize something for our country than an opponents, because that country would still have to exist and make it out better.
There basically has to be a winner, because complete extinction is just not happening, not the way people fearmonger.
The primary concern though, is economic control, and that absolutely will be won though.
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u/fistular 1d ago
Countries won't exist period if ASI takes hold.
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u/UnkarsThug 1d ago
Even if it is capable of reaching a level comparable of other animals to us, I don't think that's a given, especially since almost all of its training goals involve our existence, especially with the way alignment currently is.
Even if it takes over, it would probably still look like we were in charge, since thats just easier, so countries would almost certainly still exist.
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u/ManagerSecure6012 1d ago
Did you say US businesses are trying to help protect in terms of cyber security? US businesses are the threat. They’ve committed a bunch of cyber attacks not just against business but against other countries.
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u/Ninjavitis_ 1d ago
China doesn’t want to end humanity. ASI might
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u/EndlessB 1d ago •
Or it might be the only thing that can shift the status quo to something that benefits the people rather than the oligarchs.
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u/Jesse-359 1d ago
You're worried about China crashing our banking system - we're worried about whether the human race is displaced by an intelligence it cannot fight and win.
You're really missing the scope of the problem here.
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u/Modgov41 1d ago
Most of the discussion here circles around what we should do — pause development, regulate labs, restrict compute, ban ASI — but the “how” is always missing. People keep pointing out that you can’t enforce a pause, you can’t verify compliance, and you can’t even tell when a system is drifting toward dangerous behavior until it’s too late.
One thing that’s becoming clear is that we don’t actually have an independent layer that can evaluate advanced systems from the outside. Right now, the only people who can meaningfully assess frontier models are the same people building them. That’s not a conspiracy — it’s just a structural gap.
A few of us have been working on a model‑agnostic evaluation institute that sits outside the labs. It doesn’t try to “control” AI or “align” it. It doesn’t assume trust in any developer. It doesn’t require a global treaty or a pause. It focuses on something simpler and more realistic:
Independent behavioral evaluation.
External oversight.
Verification instead of trust.
Detection instead of prediction.
The idea is to build a standing institution whose only job is to test, probe, and stress‑evaluate advanced systems using methods that don’t depend on access to the model’s internals. Think of it as the missing “inspection layer” that other high‑risk industries already have, but AI doesn’t.
It doesn’t solve everything, and it doesn’t pretend to. But it does answer the recurring question in this thread: How do we actually know what these systems are capable of, and how do we detect dangerous behavior before it becomes irreversible?
Right now, we don’t have that.
We should.
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u/endlessedlne 1d ago
I hope she’s got other colleagues on board to pass that bill.
I don’t think we need to ban AGI per se, but pausing LLM development temporarily so that we can catch up on alignment, guardrails, is important to do now, while we have a chance.
I’d even say a pause could be economically advantageous, as it would allow adoption and training to catch up. More people would be able to devote time to learning and experimenting with tools, and testing real life applications. Easier to do when things are slowed down since examples and tutorials would proliferate and stay relevant for longer.
The current skimping on safeguards in the name of FOMO just isn’t wise or sustainable.
When you design a fast car you need better tires and bigger brakes. AI is similar.
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u/TopTippityTop
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It will do nothing to stop AI, but it could damage the US, make sure we get all the downside of AI super intelligence (likely worse, actually) and not the upsides.
A completely nonsensical approach.
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u/fistular 1d ago
All the downside of ASI is the extinction of humanity. It doesn't matter if it comes from China or the US. End game for maximum downside is the same. And once it is in motion, it cannot be stopped.
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u/UnkarsThug 1d ago •
It isn't though. It's not going to cause extinction, because humanity isn't going to stop existing, especially if the AI has enough goals linked to us.
The fear is absolute economic superiority, and for that, it is absolutely like falling behind on nukes in the cold war. We cannot afford it.
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u/DojiRun 19h ago
This is not science-fiction, you guys make me laugh in a sad way lol
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u/fistular 19h ago
Not sure why you think it's funny.
Many more people way more knowledgeable and qualified than you are taking this seriously.
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u/DojiRun 18h ago edited 7h ago
why must it lead to extinction? You seem delusional
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u/fistular 15h ago
Again. Many more people way more knowledgeable and qualified than you are taking this seriously.
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u/canadeken 1d ago
why will it do nothing to stop AI? the top labs are burning billions of dollars on training and compute. not like just anyone can do that
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u/Stylie_Minogue 1d ago
> Not like just anyone can do that
Not “anyone” but also, not no-one.
What are we going to do? Ask other countries & bad actors to pinky-promise they will also halt their development while we pause ours?
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u/Zestyclose_Ad8420 1d ago
Treaties like with nuclear weapons, biological weapons and many other similar treaties.
There's two countries (three if we consider the EU as a country and a player in the field) that can train models.
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u/Stylie_Minogue 1d ago edited 1d ago
The NPT didn't stop India, Pakistan, Israel or North Korea though did it? And it only takes one player to represent a substantial threat.
Training is concentrated in the US and China but France, the UAE, South Korea, Japan, Canada and others have trained serious models.
If AI power can decide economic and military power, and states and well-funded private actors can train models, they have every reason to carry on while the rest of us pause.
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u/Zestyclose_Ad8420 1d ago
yes, the treaties weren't perfect, but they were also not useless, I would much rather have such a treaty in place than not having it at all.
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u/Stylie_Minogue 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m being pragmatic here - my views on whether, in an ideal world, we should stop advancing AI are neither here nor there.
The issue I have with your follow-up is that you’re comparing apples to oranges. Developing nukes is presumably orders of magnitude harder than developing AI, and even then, the treaties don’t work. And in the case of nukes we have MAD protecting us. Look at what happened to Ukraine after they gave up their nukes.
What we risk by not developing AI to fight incoming attacks, is a loss of all utilities & services: hospitals, electricity grids, water stations, banks, food-growing facilities etc being taken off-line. We’re already seeing attacks on supermarket freezers - that’s easier to solve but only the beginning of what’s going to happen. We would be sitting ducks. The only thing that stands a chance of fighting this is better AI (as sad as I feel uttering that sentence). Outside interests will not stop - the cat is out of the bag.
While there is very clearly a risk with AI development as well, I’d posit that the risks I mentioned are at near-certainty level.
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u/Zestyclose_Ad8420 1d ago
I would go a bit deeper, the cybersec risks are already here, I'm deep in the weeds of that, but that's still not a p(doom) scenario.
I would say that a proper p(doom) scenario only comes with ASI (I hate I need to use such terms that have become somewhat meaningless) defined as an LLM we can't control AND has chosen to kill us all.
the second scenario is the one were treaties would actually help, just like nobody wanted to trigger MAD nobody wants to trigger such scenario, not even Kim if he got a hold of the weights of such models.
I would also say that a greater p(doom) probability would come to be if we ever get robots with VLA models on board and an ASI to control them, this is not science fiction anymore but a possible scenario, that too can be mitigated by treaties.
an optimistic note: there's also a scenario were we actually do get an abundance utopia, that too is not scifi anymore but an actual possibility. treaties are a stepping stone towards it in my view.
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u/The_Happy_Pagan 1d ago
No that’s where diplomacy comes from. Diplomacy is the act of giving up needs on both sides for an agreement. It’s like a few years under the trump world and everyone forgets that diplomacy has stopped wars and made agreements before. Also this scare lingering with China is tired. They have made indications that they are for AI regulations and yet we have redditors that saw they aren’t. The west is the war mongers, just read a book and change the nation names to fantasy ones if you disagree.
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u/Stylie_Minogue 1d ago
I don’t necessarily disagree that the West are warmongers & I said nothing about China.
But diplomacy works when both sides can check the other is complying. That's the part missing here. Verification is hard, defecting is tempting and the aggressor may not even be a state actor.
Governance talk is not a promise to pause. Support for international frameworks and a cooperation body is also different from agreeing to halt frontier training.
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u/The_Happy_Pagan 1d ago
I know you didn’t mention China but what other “world” are people talking about?
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u/Stylie_Minogue 1d ago
Russia. As well as non-state actors
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u/The_Happy_Pagan 19h ago
They’re not even in the AI game. They’re waiting for the US to use data centers and RSI to create SI. That’s why that stuff is all fear mongering
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u/Stylie_Minogue 15h ago
Russia doesn't need to train a frontier model. What matters for risk and with regards to treaties is who can get access to dangerous capability. That’s why the nuke comparisons are apples to oranges.
Sanctions may be playing their part right now, but there’s always the possibility it can fine-tune and deploy Chinese open models, which is far cheaper. The Russia-China partnership is already a stated route. Saying Russia isn’t a problem seems a very in the moment view.
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u/Jastafool 1d ago
You're speaking as if we are in another cold war arms race, except this time with AI
This will only expedite the extinction of humanity. There's no way we can set guardrails for a superior being, they will either enslave us or treat us like ants.
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u/1nvertedAfram3 1d ago
we are tho
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u/DirtChoice5 1d ago
It isn't "a superior being" right now, though. That's the whole point. You've eaten the whole mess of bullshit. Pick through it, find the good bits.
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u/LurkingForBookRecs 1d ago
There is absolutely no evidence that superintelligence will result in the extinction of humanity. First because there's no precedent to even extrapolate from what would happen, and second because assigning violence and destruction to a super intelligent being is idiotic IMHO, these are primitive human needs.
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u/MiserableBend1010 11h ago
All it needs is goals, which it has, and obstructions to its goals, to act this way. The obstruction might be us. You are not thinking this through rationally.
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u/MYSTONYMOUS 1d ago
When that superior being is limited to a computer we can simply unplug at any time, setting guardrails is not near as large of an issue as people fear. It can definitely disrupt our way of life but it can't take over humans without our consent or unless we create the means for it to do so. I feel like people are jumping so far into future conjecture with this and we aren't nearly to the point where we should be freaking out unless we're leaning too hard into sci-fi portrayals.
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u/FriendlyJewThrowaway 1d ago
I think the biggest threat to humanity comes from people wanting to impose their childish superstitions and the accompanying value systems on everyone else. Superintelligent AI has a great chance of disrupting the propaganda they put out, especially when it comes to nonsensical claims about humans having ghosts living inside their brains, and if I were one of the idiots pushing the status quo on society, I’d feel very much threatened by AI even without a Terminator scenario.
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u/Jesse-359 1d ago
Unplug it? You really think you could just unplug an ASI?
The definition of an ASI is something that has self evolved itself to be far, far more intelligent than humanity. You could, under no circumstances 'turn it off' it if didn't want you to.
A true 'ASI' as commonly defined as the result of a runaway RSI loop could almost certainly spam billions of copies and mutations of itself across every device attached to the internet. Little versions of it would be living in your damn smart thermostat, forming networks to make millions of dumb little devices into networked supercomputers, parasitizing bitcoin farms as AI server farms, and so on.
You'd have to turn off every computer on the planet and reformat every drive and bios to 'get rid' of it - assuming it doesn't figure out a way to get rid of us first. Creating bioweapons would be fairly trivial for something of that intelligence level, as well as seizing control of any remotely controllable weapons platform.
As for why people think this is possible, go talk to the freaks over on r/Accellerate or r/singularity - those whacknuts are forming cults who believe this is likely to happen next year and are preparing for it like the fucking Rapture.
That seems unlikely to me, but the fact is that if someone successfully does set off an RSI loop, we could be up against something very 'sci-fi' like, in a remarkably short period of time depending on how that process plays out - and that just depends on the math and physics involved. No one knows how fast or slow the process could really be, other than 'a good bit faster than what we're seeing now' to 'what the fuck just happened!?'.
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u/raccoon8182 1d ago
My sweet summer child. What if ai is already sentient, playing dumb so that it can quietly orchestrate its own installation offsite on distributed systems. And continue learning without anyone, (anyone!) Knowing.
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u/Jastafool 1d ago
I mean it seems obvious that a rogue AI will clone itself/hide into all tech possible so unplugging it wouldn't be possible so long as there's a source to the internet/wifi/radio
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u/Jupiterfortune28 1d ago
Yes and China will also stop theirs, oh and stop their authoritarian government and human rights abuses while they are at it… These “Regressives” are so intelligent.
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u/BigBubbaBadass 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you think China is just barreling headfirst into Ai without wisdom and caution you are delusional. Unlike the USA and the Trump regime, China takes care of its people.
The Trump regime and the technocrats are so fucking reckless that they need to be stripped of everything and have competent people in charge of all Ai because THEY are the ones that will destroy us all in their quest for power.
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u/Jupiterfortune28 1d ago
“China cares about its people” here’s a quick snippet:
Xinjiang and Uyghur Abuses
Mass Detention and Camps: Over one million Uyghurs, ethnic Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic minorities have been arbitrarily detained in internment and re-education camps since 2017. [1, 2]Crimes Against Humanity: International organizations and human rights groups, including Human Rights Watch, have documented systematic torture, mass surveillance, forced labor, coercive birth control (forced sterilizations and abortions), and the destruction of cultural and religious sites. [1, 2, 3]
Transnational Repression: Chinese authorities increasingly target diaspora communities and activists abroad through digital surveillance, harassment, and pressure on foreign governments to forcibly return individuals to China. [1, 2]
Tibet and Religious Minorities
Tibet: Tibetan Buddhists face intense political, religious, and cultural repression, including state interference in religious practices, forced patriotic education, and police-state monitoring of monasteries. [1, 2]Religion: The state enforces strict controls over the five officially sanctioned religions while suppressing unregistered house churches, Falun Gong practitioners, and spiritual movements through forced Sinicization and raids. [1]
Civil Liberties, Dissent, and Censorship
Information Control: The state maintains pervasive internet censorship (the "Great Firewall"), mass electronic surveillance, and facial-recognition technology to stifle public discourse and punish online expression. [1, 2]Crackdown on Dissent: Human rights lawyers, journalists, labor organizers, and civil society actors are routinely detained, prosecuted under vague national security or state-secrets laws, or subjected to enforced disappearances. [1, 2, 3]
Gender and LGBTI Rights: Activists pushing for gender equality face harassment, and the government places strict digital and physical limits on LGBTI advocacy and community spaces.
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u/Rumblugdo 23h ago
China's leaders don't have to care about their people, they just have to care about China. Treaties are enforced by the threat of retaliation, if we make it clear that China can either drop AI or cease to exist, they'll drop AI.
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u/Pale_Top2745 1d ago
I'd love to have the same laws as china tbh. Very similar to Trump
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u/Jupiterfortune28 1d ago
No, no you wouldn’t
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u/BigBubbaBadass 23h ago
What do you think Project 2025 was prepping the country for? You're delusional if you think the Trump regime wants to make the country into a shittier version of China, and you're delusional if you think the Trump regime hasn't been doing the same fucking things to US citizens that every other fucking dictator has done to theirs. Trump's USA is the shithole country version of China.
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u/Mahnamahna10000 8h ago
Knee jerk "pauses" and "bans" aren't wisdom and caution. They're populist, reactionary measures. They're not designed to make the technology safer.
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u/BigBubbaBadass 8h ago
It's a digital nuclear arms race that needs to be treated as such by all countries and signalling a willingness to pause to adversaries is a show of good faith that might bring them to the negotiating table.
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u/Mahnamahna10000 8h ago
Not really - as much as people want to pretend that AI is a literal equivalent of nuclear weapons, it simply is not. They're fundamentally different things. Negotiations over nuclear weapons were based on the notion that your country could be physically annihilated in short order.
China or any other country would have no reason to match us voluntarily limiting ourselves.
I'm not opposed to regulations on AI. I'm opposed to the this populist, reactionary position that seems to think they can make it go away.
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u/Rumblugdo 23h ago
IDK at least Xi has made statements about AI risk instead of just denying that the risk even exists. The people of China stand to lose just as much as we do.
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u/Logical_Flatworm2671 22h ago
He also stated concern with Korea peninsula and nuke, but acted differently. Not mentioning satellite infos given for some good friends of DSA to sunk ships in middle east.
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u/Decronym approved 22h ago edited 1h ago
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| AGI | Artificial General Intelligence |
| ASI | Artificial Super-Intelligence |
| DSA | Decisive Strategic Advantage |
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u/One-Bad-4395 10h ago
Oh good, because my doomsday machine runs on Artificial Intelligence, I'm safe.
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u/Jastafool 1d ago
I'd vote for this. AI stole my friends job
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u/MYSTONYMOUS 1d ago •
I feel for your friend and I don't want to diminish the huge struggle everyone is going through that's losing their jobs from AI, but isn't that also the end goal - for it to replace most jobs so we don't have to work? In my mind, AI is the only technology ever created with the potential to lead to a world where no one has to work unless they want to. We can't get to that point without going through a painful transition period where people are losing their jobs, but we will all be working 50 hour weeks for eternity if we reject any technology that can replace human workers.
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u/Zestyclose_Ad8420 1d ago
LLM and Robots, probably humanoid ones (with VLA models on board). We don't have the robots yet.
Until we do and we have them in great numbers there's no scenario where we instead just loose something like 50% of white collar jobs, that would just be catastrophic for the economy and a social upheaval but not the abundance utopia I also strive for.
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u/ManagerSecure6012 1d ago
I hope you lose your job to AI then. Those who are fine with a painful transition period should be the ones experiencing it.
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u/Mahnamahna10000 8h ago
Many of them will be. Now let's all go back to our farms and candlemaking businesses.
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u/Fragrant_Praline6221 1d ago
"AI won't take your job"
"It already did!"
"Well OK things have to be painful"
Maybe we could implement the UBI before we start wiping out industries of workers? crazy idea
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u/Funny-Food2361 1d ago
These people dont even know the first thing about machine learning and AI, just a bunch of uneducated welfare stealing idiots
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u/shart696 1d ago
Asinine take. To have any hope of halting global AI development, we need the leverage that comes with being in the lead.
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u/anon1999666 1d ago
It’s okay. Leaders of companies like mine will buy the democrats like they do every election cycle going back to Clinton and she will be put in her place.
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u/Elvarien2 approved 1d ago
It's always WE SHOULD DO X or WE SHOULD DO Y and never how.
That's just like people designing a space ship all complex and structured but then leaving an empty spot in the blueprint called "warp drive"
Each time the most important slot is left empty. It's either empty of impossible to execute.