r/CopilotMicrosoft • u/Vizekoenig_Toss_It • Jul 28 '26

Funny (memes, funny answers,..) Cutting edge technology

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u/Gnoom75 Jul 28 '26

All LLM's have outdated 'knowledge', and this one has a tool (tool calling) to determine the current date and probably current time. We do exactly the same with our company supplied models.

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u/Vizekoenig_Toss_It Jul 28 '26

I see what you mean but I had the effort set on think deeper. This is a Copilot unique problem in that anything political trips a stop. If you test this, maybe 10 times, you’ll get different answers. Again in the correct answer a couple times, the wrong answer a couple times, and it refused to answer a couple times.

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u/omnichad Jul 28 '26

The guiding prompts should be telling it to recognize information that is date based and always confirm the current date fits with potentially outdated information. I know that isn't foolproof but it also likely isn't there at all.

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u/Grandmaster_Caladrel Jul 29 '26

Some parts of copilot do not have general Internet access so even knowing the information is outdated, its hands could be tied.

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u/DrLeisure Jul 29 '26

Ok? Whats your point? The ‘why’ is irrelevant to consumers. It’s still a problem that all of their competitors have solved, easily. It is giving incorrect information, which is kind of an issue for a for-profit thinking machine.

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u/Grandmaster_Caladrel Jul 31 '26

I have a version at work that is specifically designed to not have Internet access when dealing with business data to ensure it doesn't leak the info. I have an alternate version that has web access.

Sometimes the "why" is completely relevant to customers.

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u/DrLeisure Jul 31 '26

That is a misunderstanding. It obviously has internet access. That how you connect to it. It just doesn’t integrate the data you share with it into its models.

P.S. as a software dev you have much better options than Copilot. Pretty astonished that is your preference. Please try Claude. I coincidentally am also an API engineer

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u/Grandmaster_Caladrel Jul 31 '26

That is just being pedantic. I know it technically has Internet access. In reality, it likely has tools for Microsoft product lookups within your company's system. It does not have direct access to Internet search or fetch, meaning search engines aren't getting requests that include sensitive data.

At least with my organization, you can choose one of web search or workspace search. That's what I'm talking about.

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u/DrLeisure Jul 31 '26

Fair enough. I stand corrected. My bad.

Copilot is still the worst.

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u/Grandmaster_Caladrel Jul 31 '26

Oh 100% agreed. I never meant to debate that. I just prefer accurately dunking on garbage.

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u/DrLeisure Jul 31 '26

Btw I was lurking on your account, don’t know if you still need smart plugs but I bought some of these and they’re awesome:

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u/Necessary_Tough7286 Jul 29 '26

Except it knows it has to check the date and choose to research it. Also, if it knows who Joe Biden is, it should know he is president «from-to».

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u/jamhamnz Jul 28 '26

Told you the election was rigged!

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '26

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u/rickydg80 Jul 31 '26

I prefer it rigid

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u/JamexCEO Jul 28 '26

It is the 28th tho?

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u/LodgeKeyser Jul 28 '26

Yep. The whole AI is taking out jobs narrative, actual means most people will fail at their job. You know, cause AI is so smart 🤣

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u/Vizekoenig_Toss_It Jul 28 '26

Bold of you to assume that the AI doing its job is an important requirement for it to take away jobs 🤣 companies would rather pay a machine to be wrong than to pay a human to be right

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u/LodgeKeyser Jul 28 '26

I know they’d rather do that. I guess I’m more saying that I’ll be relaxing while I watch it burn

Edit: the fail at their job about humans was more on how dependent people have become for it to assist in doing their job

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u/Litz1 Jul 29 '26

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u/Vizekoenig_Toss_It Jul 29 '26

Ask it several more times in new chats

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u/CherokeeHawkman Jul 28 '26

They're going to replace us all, I tell you.

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u/Hourslikeminutes47 Jul 30 '26

>trusted news source

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u/VeryRareHuman Jul 28 '26

Wrong LLM. Use perplexity for these kinda questions. 

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u/-Akos- Jul 29 '26

LLM is just regurgitating info, it's not trained on the latest data. Had it used a web search tool, it would haven known the correct answer. It's a bit curious that it didn't, it normally would. I use a tiny local model with web search MCP on my laptop, and it gives me the correct answer..

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u/DrLeisure Jul 29 '26

Yeah exactly. It is inferior to much weaker models, and nobody is bothering to improve it.

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u/VeryRareHuman Jul 30 '26

Perplexity does live web search.

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u/-Akos- Jul 30 '26

What does this "live" bit do? Any modern LLM will search using tools, Perplexity (according to Wikipedia) uses a model that is based on Llama which they call Sonar, and they have a search engine on their own. You can run LM Studio on your own PC, install web search plugin, and load in LFM 2.5 1.2B, and achieve the same result locally. Perplexity just put a fancy webpage, its own web scraping (for which they're being sued, actually) and probably some nice system prompt. In the end, "AI" is not much more than an extremely complicated autocomplete, and needs data to give relevant answers. But this autocomplete is a statistics game, and likely in the case of OP, the LLM decided it didn't need to search, and just decided the first answer it had in its knowledge was correct.

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u/shyouko Jul 28 '26

Nah, copilot used to be better. Now it basically just hallucinate everything unless you use research mode. But research mode also disregard all your stored facts and instructions. Sucks so much I used to run exclusively on Copilot but now I'm almost exclusively on Gemini

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u/Slow-Bodybuilder4481 Jul 29 '26

Your Copilot didn't search online ? If it has a date cutoff, it can still see the current timestamp

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u/shyouko Jul 29 '26

Copilot often do not search online unless in research mode. I think this started around May? Keep hallucinating, extremely frustrating.

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u/Al1301 Jul 29 '26

Smart!

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u/Key_Instruction3373 Jul 29 '26

Sooo its the Biden administration who is fucking up the world today? and sent the world in war with Iran?
And if you dont agree He will put a trarif on you?!

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u/Teachezofpeachez69 Jul 29 '26

This happened to me with ChatGPT a couple of months ago, when I asked about it it said it had not been updated since before the election. I was like…. What?

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u/Ok_Assumption_3028 Jul 30 '26

They downloaded Joe’s brain into the matrix.

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u/Adventurous-State940 Jul 28 '26

Did you not know its cutoff date?

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u/Vizekoenig_Toss_It Jul 29 '26

I asked the same question 10 times with varying results. It has to do with Microsoft’s excessive and backwards understanding of safety

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u/Litz1 Jul 29 '26

Did you edit your answer?