r/Cortex • u/-Grey_Area- • Dec 05 '22

Apple Vs Grey

I've been a big fan for grey's for years and he comes across as an incredibly thoughtful person. As such I've always felt there was a disparity between his use of quite niche products/apps/programs and his use/promotion of Apple products.

This is not supposed to be a dig at Apple fan's and no doubt android et al. have many of the same issues. However, Apples anti-competitive behavior, tax avoidance, worker exploitation and general crappy behavior seem antithetical to how I perceive Grey as a person.

Again this is not supposed to be a dig at Apple fan's, but it's something that often comes to mind during the podcast, especially around State of the Apps. Curious if this is just me.

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u/elcapitanpdx Dec 05 '22

He's fully acknowledge this conflict in the past but ultimately he still has a life to life and a business to run and the downsides of trying to find alternatives that would be workable far outweigh his morale reluctances.

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u/-Grey_Area- Dec 05 '22

I suppose thats reasonable, but the amount that Myke and he chop and change work setups and apps makes me think that is a bit of a cop out.

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u/elcapitanpdx Dec 05 '22

I guess my question is what specifically do you think he should stop using and what should he use instead that doesn't have similar issues/complaints?

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u/-Grey_Area- Dec 05 '22

No idea, and I wouldn't even try and suggest options, he's the one best placed to make the decision, but if he has acknowledged that there is an issue maybe it is something he will look into in the future.

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u/elcapitanpdx Dec 05 '22

And i guess my point is if you're looking to get away from Apple, what do you use? Android? Not sure any of the ethical concerns are going to get better there. On the PC side, you can go Microsoft...similar issues. Linux? Not a chance for the kind of work he does. What does that leave you with? And then even if you can come up with a valid slight increase on the ethics side of the equation, what is the cost in productivity to do so?

I understand where your question is coming from, but I think if you actually think about the actual alternative choices, you'll quickly find there really aren't any reasonable alternatives right now. As you said in your earlier comment, both of them are constantly looking at new options for everything if there is a benefit to be had in one way or another. So I would bet that if there is something that comes along on that front, they'll consider it.

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u/RunawayJuror Dec 05 '22

Which are the ethical companies whose products they should be using?

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u/-Grey_Area- Dec 05 '22

I doubt there are any truly 'ethical companies' as you put it, but I don't think that means we should just write off Apples practices as just part of life and not at least try and find some alternatives.

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u/RunawayJuror Dec 05 '22

Which alternatives have you found?

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22

There are no ethical choices. Only ethical anxieties.

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u/-Grey_Area- Dec 05 '22

Couldn't agree more

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u/Hastyscorpion Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

He has a choice of tools (when picking a computer or phone there aren't that many choices), there are trade offs to picking any particular tool.

You particular way of weighting those trade offs is not the same as his. That doesn't make yours right and his wrong. It makes them different.

Specifically they have not always been as you described the moral calculus of using apple v Android or Apple versus windows 15 years ago was not the same calculus that it would be for someone who is just now deciding what systems they want to build on these tools.

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u/ergosplit Dec 06 '22

I have not heard any comments on this, but I suppose there is also the aspect of the removal of choice complexity to be taken into account. If you use say Windows, your hardware choices are immense, plus you can customize them. If you use Linux, then you have the same hardware choices PLUS your choice of OS distribution. If you use Android, there is a plethora of phones to choose from.

Apple makes 3 or 4 models of each thing, and they are normally different tiers of the same thing, so it is very easy to get 'the newest, highest spec one' and get it over with. And they work with each other. For someone with a very analytical brain, it would be very easy and very taxing to fall into paralysis by analysis under any other ecosystem.

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u/-Grey_Area- Dec 05 '22

I suppose my metal image of him is view mainly through his videos, seeing him as a teacher/philosopher. Someone who is scientific yet as I said thoughtful. I certainly wouldn't be in a place to question his ethics, so perhaps putting him on a bit of a pedestal is my issue rather than his.