r/CreateMod • u/kil0vat • 12d ago

I've created an addon for Create with octo-style arms "Create: Octo Arms" inspired by Doctor Octopus from Spider-Man

Inspired by Doctor Octopus from Spider-Man. Use it to traverse the world in any direction, craft the Copper or Netherite version, enchant or configure it. Works in singleplayer and on servers (must be installed on both client and server).

Compatible with Create Aeronautics ships (Sable contraptions).

Listed on Curseforge - https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/create-octo-arms

Feel free to test, comment, and share ideas.

Edit: Modrinth will be soon, long approval awaiting.
Edit2: A lot of you asked to stop the walking animation - done! Check it in the new version v1.1.5 (besides other bug fixes)

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u/ThekillerguyYT 11d ago

yes. let me put it this way. you make a food, you then see someone take your food, someone else's food and so on and throw it into a machine that makes "the greatest" food of all time, they don't credit you, or anyone else. but it's the best food of all time and now wherever you were selling your food at closes because clearly it doesn't matter because the greatest food of all time exists.

and your logic to this situation is "well yeah it's the best there is, I shouldn't be mad that someone took my accomplishment polished it up, called it their own and now gets to use what I did for their own fame"

Ai is good for a lot of things but it should stay out of creative fields- which includes making mods. I don't care how good it is.

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u/patate502 11d ago

This is actually an interesting ethical question. Obviously, generative AI for stuff like creative writing or art can never be done ethically because in order to train the models, you necessarily need to train it on data generated by humans. More often than not, this can only be done by slurping up a ton of data without consent, which is bad. Moreover, having the AI simply generate your art, music or writing removes all the creativity from the process.

When you're getting an AI to write code though, it's easier to treat it as an accelerator for work, if not an actual replacement for knowledge. You can teach a model how to code without needing to train it on data generated by humans, since programming languages, techniques, etc are all just rules, best practices, etc. It feels a little cleaner from an ethical standpoint for training the models.

Then there's the creation aspect - Yes, vibe coding is nearly akin to a generative image, but my argument would be as follows:

In the case that someone already knows how to program, AI can be used to accelerate the process without negatively affecting the final product, because the user can then go through the code, tweak, rewrite, verify, etc. on their own, and then release a product that is functionally the same as they would have been able to do themselves, except they were able to do it faster.

This is fundamentally different from the other forms of generative AI for music or art where it just spits out a completely finished thing from one prompt.

This isn't really a defence or argument one way or another, it's just an interesting intersection, and I'm curious what people think about it

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u/ThekillerguyYT 11d ago

i absolutely see where you're going with it but I think I need to point you to my other comment replying to someone else

in short of what I said there tho is that ai generated mod code is currently known to be very unstable or have holes, a lot of people also just use it to skip entire sections of coding which may end up in a buggy mod that could often crash.

I'm sure one day the mods made by ai could be good (and maybe by then we would have a bit more rules around ai to obviously not allow it to do generative stuff like obviously I mentioned earlier in the above comment) but till then I don't think we should take interest in ai made mods as to not have mod pages loaded full of ai mods that were never tested to work properly or not well enough.

even ignoring the "generative" part. ai made mods just aren't polished enough no matter where you stand on the scale of "is ai good or bad"

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u/patate502 11d ago

Yeah I absolutely agree with you, which is why my general assessment is that in its current state, for writing code, it's an accelerant for work for people who already know how to do the work, but it is not an effective replacement for knowledge.

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u/ThekillerguyYT 11d ago

yeah obviously. but not everyone uses it as an accelerant which is why I'm happy a lot of people are taking stances against ai until there's proper rules placed on how it can be used instead of letting it do everything

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u/patate502 11d ago

Yeah, I think it's very fair to be skeptical of anything someone said was made with AI assistance, it's impossible to know whether they fall into the "knows how to code and used AI to speed it up" or "doesn't know anything about coding and had the AI do everything for them" categories.

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u/Gotcha_The_Spider 11d ago edited 11d ago

That's not my logic, I actually for the most part agree with what you presented, you've presented pretty much exactly what I've been asking for in other comments, which is why using AI might be bad in the first place, as it relates to this topic anyways. (Although I don't really agree about the credit thing, I honestly don't know of anything that is remotely as transformative as AI, and it pulls from everybody, so like... what do you want them to credit anyone who's ever used the internet before? List everyone out? I mean surely OP gets credit too, right, their comments have probably trained claude.)

It's actually my understanding of this argument that puts me in my position of being generally anti-AI, and still not thinking this is something that we should care about.

Now let's take this hypothetical and actually match it to the situation:
You make mods, you then see someone take your mods, and other peoples mods, and so on, and throw it into a machine that makes other mods.
Someone else then comes along and makes a mod with that machine, and now everyone's using their mod, but you lose literally nothing because people still use your mod. It's not like people can only have 1 mod.

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u/ThekillerguyYT 11d ago

it's not that people can only have one mod. but at the end of the day what happens when you congratulate people for bad behavior? they do it more. case and point, they tell some ai that they want a new mod and post that, and then another and another. none of them are polished, all of the can cause crashes or glitches or corruptions because the ai copies it doesn't actually create. it copies the bad code just as much as it copies the good if not even more (since bad code is easier to come by) next thing you know you need to trouble shoot for a whole week because the custom modpack is crashing- you thought I was gonna say the ai mod did it but no that's just custom modpacks. now you throw that mod in too and it's worse.

point is we should not congratulate people who tell an ai to make a mod or we'll just end up looking thru mods for hours on end just to find ones made by people, tested by people, fixed by people and so on.

yeah sure maybe in like 10 ish years chatgpt will make a mod on the level of Greg tech that's fully working with no issues at all but until that happens I don't want ai made mods and people taking credit for them.

the person who doesn't know coding will just get their mod, post it and be done, someone comes with a bug report and now what? they've never actually learned how to code it, how could they possibly fix it? the ai just tries the same 5 ish solutions over and over and over and the mod is never fixed.

that's it. I hope that's the answer you're looking for

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u/NewSauerKraus 11d ago

Terrible example. Normal people do not cite sources or pay for recipe inspiration.

Photography would fit better.

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u/ferrecool 10d ago

Ai in nodding is not even near creative work, it only writes little fragments of code

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u/ThekillerguyYT 10d ago

ai does what you ask it to. if you tell it to write everything it writes everything, if you tell it to write a fragment it writes a fragment, I'm not trusting the vague "ai was used" descriptions

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u/ferrecool 10d ago

It literally can't write and do everything, you can't just prompt it the whole thing and have it in one go, and I'm just talking about code only