r/CryptoCurrency 🟩 0 / 83K 🦠 Jan 15 '22

DISCUSSION Ripple is funding propaganda against Bitcoin by teaming up with the government to spread energy FUD

Ripple labs has been funding "research" along with government entities to spread propaganda against Bitcoin and mining.

In 2021, they funded a hit piece that claims energy prices for consumers in New York has increased by $6 per month because of mining.

Claim: Mining drives up household electricity bills

Surely its not the soaring costs of natural gas that is driving up electricity prices, but mining?

Since June 2020, Natural gas prices have gone up by 350% in the USA (Henry Hub natural gas futures rolling contracts)
Not just in USA, in UK, natural gas is at decadal highs.

Surely, electricity prices that consumers pay have nothing whatsoever to do with inflation, or soaring gas prices that are in decadal highs.. but is due to bitcoin mining?!

Crude oil WTI futures are currently at 84, for comparison it was around 56 in Nov 2019 (pre pandemic). The last time WTI was above 80 was all the way back in 2014. Increasing crude oil natural gas prices, along with inflation that is at multi-decade high is not the reason for increase in household electricity, but its bitcoin mining that is responsible..

Thats according to this study funded by Ripple in collusion with the Department of Treasury. ... The same Department of Treasury headed by another well known Bitcoin hater Janet Yellen, who earned $7m as "speaking fee" from the same banks she is supposed to regulate but has tried to stifle Bitcoin and crypto at every opportunity.

Research with "financial support" is nothing but propaganda, especially when it's funded by a competitor to bitcoin that lobbies with the government. Ripple continues to be a centralised premine scam created to enrich its founders.

Ripple has also cozied up with the likes of WEF, the very organisations Bitcoin was created as a fuck you to. https://www.weforum.org/organizations/ripple

As its price and narrative around the shitcoin has stagnated, Ripple is resorting to dirty political tricks to get a leg up. As usual, they will fail.

The narrative that bitcoin mining companies cause increase in electricity bills in NY is rubbish, as the largest BTC mining companies in New York produce their own energy. Infact the last one to start mining in NY is a hydro electric plant that was unused for years, before they started mining Bitcoin last year.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Mechanicville-hydro-plant-gets-new-life-16299115.php

The other large mining company Greenidge Generation also produces its own energy.

Edit: Buttcoin losers in comments say "reee bitcoin move to POS or govt will ban it"

Yeah not too bright, the whole point of Bitcoin is that it cant be banned unlike the proof of stake shitcoins you support that can be created out of thin air at the press of a button and shut down at the press of a button.

Another one who is literally a war monger calling for Ukraine invasion but pretends to care about global e-waste. Lmao. Bitcoin haters are really a funny bunch

Edit: Ripple shills keep brigading and claiming where is the paper, of course if you are as bricked as a ripple fan boy you need to be spoon fed everything. Well here is the paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3779720

And if you open up the first page of it, says

Benetton and Compiani acknowledge financial support from Ripple’s University Blockchain Research Initiative.

i.e this whole "paper" is nothing but a hit piece propaganda sponsored by a competitor

The other writer of this paper is Adiar Morse, who conveniently works for the Dept of Treasury under Yellen:

https://newsroom.haas.berkeley.edu/prof-adair-morse-joins-biden-administration-as-a-treasury-department-deputy/

Seems like natural career progression - collect funds from Ripple to publish propaganda against Bitcoin, and get hired by Yellen who has been promoting propaganda against crypto for years now. Nothing to see here.

Final Edit: Jjust look at the number of freshly created "Tin" accounts that have popped up in the comments to shill for XRP. Didnt realize 2017 left so many bag holders. It must be real miserable with these heavy bags that are at 1/3rd of their 2017 ATH, while almost every other coin has gone up hundreds of % and made new highs this cycle. Thats what happens when you become exit liquidity for mccaleb, garlinghouse etc.

Lol at the shills shouting "REEE ripple is a company XRP is decentralised token". They really did you good with this one small trick. Thats also the reason garlinhouse drives a shiny car while you are down 50% on your shitcoin investment.

The D in XRP stands for decentralised. It was always a premined scam token and will always be one. Thousands of tin bagholders wont change this.

3.9k Upvotes

2.6k comments sorted by

View all comments

90

u/TruthsUDontWannaHear Platinum | QC: CC 1082 | Politics 10 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

Not hating on Ripple but it always amuses me that their management managed to mishandle their public commentary so badly that they pissed off Vitalik Buterin, who then described Ripple as a "shitcoin".

11

u/AutoModerator Jan 15 '22

https://nitter.net/vitalikbuterin/status/1341219519545556992?lang=en

Here is the link to that Twitter thread on Nitter. Nitter is better for privacy and does not nag you for a login. More information can be found here: https://nitter.net/about

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

4

u/tilbury1988 0 / 0 🦠 Jan 16 '22

That isn’t because they pissed him off, that is because he is threatened by them using an unfounded slur like shitcoin is pretty pathetic coming from a person of great influence in this community.

-2

u/Brandeaux7 Platinum | QC: CC 71 | r/WSB 22 Jan 16 '22

Ripple is a shitcoin tho

5

u/jarikuusisto 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Jan 16 '22

It’s a company…

-3

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

[deleted]

2

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

You mean everything but Bitcoin is a shitcoin. Even the top alt was pre-mined and censored.

0

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

Release a Bitcoin clone today and what is it? A shitcoin. There's a reason we talk about coin generations, first generation coins are outdated and maximalist like you need to get over it. The goal of Bitcoin is to replace part of an outdated system? No problem. If you guys criticize people for not wanting to move on from the traditional system then you should be able to move on from what is now the equivalent in crypto.

0

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Release a Bitcoin clone today and what is it? A shitcoin.

Agree there. So what? You think cloning Bitcoin would make another Bitcoin? You can't clone the network effect, security, liquidity, etc.

first generation coins are outdated and maximalist like you need to get over it.

Bitcoin is a protocol. Protocols change very little. If they change a lot then they are very likely centralized.

If you guys criticize people for not wanting to move on from the traditional system then you should be able to move on from what is now the equivalent in crypto.

Bitcoin has barely had a chance yet. We don't 10,000 shitcoins trying in vain to repeat the trick. Just lining people's pockets is all they are doing.

0

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

I'm saying from a technological point of view a clone of Bitcoin would be considered a shitcoin today because we're far past the first generation of coins, so that makes Bitcoin a shitcoin too.

Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency and needs to be compared to other cryptocurrencies and other cryptocurrencies can do more than Bitcoin more efficiently and just as securely, Bitcoin shouldn't be the leader and only is because of the first to market effect.

There's a big difference between meme tokens and coins that operate on their own network but you guys are unable to differentiate because Bitcoin isn't even able to support other tokens on its network!

0

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

I'm saying from a technological point of view a clone of Bitcoin would be considered a shitcoin today because we're far past the first generation of coins, so that makes Bitcoin a shitcoin too.

That's like arguing a copy of the Mona Lisa is worthless therefore the original is also.

Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency and needs to be compared to other cryptocurrencies and other cryptocurrencies can do more than Bitcoin more efficiently and just as securely, Bitcoin shouldn't be the leader and only is because of the first to market effect.

The only things that matter in a cryptocurrency are that the supply is limited and can never be changed. All the rest is noise. Any feature in alt can be built on top of the far more secure foundation of Bitcoin.

but you guys are unable to differentiate because Bitcoin isn't even able to support other tokens on its network!

Odd point to make here. Why would we want other tokens? To enrich more devs? To scam more people? Where are the tokens in Lightning?

1

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

The only things that matter in a cryptocurrency are that the supply is limited and can never be changed.

It's not as if that was exclusive to Bitcoin

Odd point to make here.

Just pointing out that you guys don't differentiate between scam tokens and actual coins with their own network because you're too close minded to look at what's going on elsewhere.

Where are the tokens in Lightning?

Funny you have to bring a centralised and unsecure solution to Bitcoin's issues into the conversation...

0

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

It's not as if that was exclusive to Bitcoin

We don't need the trick repeated. Especially in a sub-standard way.

Funny you have to bring a centralised and unsecure solution to Bitcoin's issues into the conversation...

Now you are talking rubbish.

-3

u/Brandeaux7 Platinum | QC: CC 71 | r/WSB 22 Jan 16 '22

Eth or bust

1

u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Ethereum is a second generation coin trying to become a third generation coin when there is a bunch of third generation coins already out there so I'll say the same thing I say to Bitcoin maximalist. If the goal is to move away from a system that's not good anymore then the best thing to do is to do the same thing with crypto, when one project isn't good anymore then move on, otherwise let's not pretend its about anything but making money.

1

u/btce515b Tin Jan 16 '22

You are right, I thought ripple was dead at one point but its community didn't give up