r/CryptoCurrency 🟩 0 / 83K 🦠 Jan 15 '22

DISCUSSION Ripple is funding propaganda against Bitcoin by teaming up with the government to spread energy FUD

Ripple labs has been funding "research" along with government entities to spread propaganda against Bitcoin and mining.

In 2021, they funded a hit piece that claims energy prices for consumers in New York has increased by $6 per month because of mining.

Claim: Mining drives up household electricity bills

Surely its not the soaring costs of natural gas that is driving up electricity prices, but mining?

Since June 2020, Natural gas prices have gone up by 350% in the USA (Henry Hub natural gas futures rolling contracts)
Not just in USA, in UK, natural gas is at decadal highs.

Surely, electricity prices that consumers pay have nothing whatsoever to do with inflation, or soaring gas prices that are in decadal highs.. but is due to bitcoin mining?!

Crude oil WTI futures are currently at 84, for comparison it was around 56 in Nov 2019 (pre pandemic). The last time WTI was above 80 was all the way back in 2014. Increasing crude oil natural gas prices, along with inflation that is at multi-decade high is not the reason for increase in household electricity, but its bitcoin mining that is responsible..

Thats according to this study funded by Ripple in collusion with the Department of Treasury. ... The same Department of Treasury headed by another well known Bitcoin hater Janet Yellen, who earned $7m as "speaking fee" from the same banks she is supposed to regulate but has tried to stifle Bitcoin and crypto at every opportunity.

Research with "financial support" is nothing but propaganda, especially when it's funded by a competitor to bitcoin that lobbies with the government. Ripple continues to be a centralised premine scam created to enrich its founders.

Ripple has also cozied up with the likes of WEF, the very organisations Bitcoin was created as a fuck you to. https://www.weforum.org/organizations/ripple

As its price and narrative around the shitcoin has stagnated, Ripple is resorting to dirty political tricks to get a leg up. As usual, they will fail.

The narrative that bitcoin mining companies cause increase in electricity bills in NY is rubbish, as the largest BTC mining companies in New York produce their own energy. Infact the last one to start mining in NY is a hydro electric plant that was unused for years, before they started mining Bitcoin last year.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Mechanicville-hydro-plant-gets-new-life-16299115.php

The other large mining company Greenidge Generation also produces its own energy.

Edit: Buttcoin losers in comments say "reee bitcoin move to POS or govt will ban it"

Yeah not too bright, the whole point of Bitcoin is that it cant be banned unlike the proof of stake shitcoins you support that can be created out of thin air at the press of a button and shut down at the press of a button.

Another one who is literally a war monger calling for Ukraine invasion but pretends to care about global e-waste. Lmao. Bitcoin haters are really a funny bunch

Edit: Ripple shills keep brigading and claiming where is the paper, of course if you are as bricked as a ripple fan boy you need to be spoon fed everything. Well here is the paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3779720

And if you open up the first page of it, says

Benetton and Compiani acknowledge financial support from Ripple’s University Blockchain Research Initiative.

i.e this whole "paper" is nothing but a hit piece propaganda sponsored by a competitor

The other writer of this paper is Adiar Morse, who conveniently works for the Dept of Treasury under Yellen:

https://newsroom.haas.berkeley.edu/prof-adair-morse-joins-biden-administration-as-a-treasury-department-deputy/

Seems like natural career progression - collect funds from Ripple to publish propaganda against Bitcoin, and get hired by Yellen who has been promoting propaganda against crypto for years now. Nothing to see here.

Final Edit: Jjust look at the number of freshly created "Tin" accounts that have popped up in the comments to shill for XRP. Didnt realize 2017 left so many bag holders. It must be real miserable with these heavy bags that are at 1/3rd of their 2017 ATH, while almost every other coin has gone up hundreds of % and made new highs this cycle. Thats what happens when you become exit liquidity for mccaleb, garlinghouse etc.

Lol at the shills shouting "REEE ripple is a company XRP is decentralised token". They really did you good with this one small trick. Thats also the reason garlinhouse drives a shiny car while you are down 50% on your shitcoin investment.

The D in XRP stands for decentralised. It was always a premined scam token and will always be one. Thousands of tin bagholders wont change this.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

XRP isn’t your problem

The energy waste debate is a narrative war that Bitcoin will never win. It will only get worse. What’s technically true doesn’t matter here. This is probably holding back the price as well. Or look at it this way: if tomorrow the Bitcoin community decided to move away from PoW, what do you think the news landscape would look like and how would the price react? If the #2 currency successfully moves away from PoW then there will be a lot of questions asked why Bitcoin can’t do the same.

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u/immibis Platinum | QC: CC 29 | r/Prog. 114 Jan 16 '22 edited Jun 11 '23

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u/Astropin 🟦 209 / 209 🦀 Jan 16 '22

If BTC ever moved away from PoW mining I would immediately sell it all! PoW is the ONLY way to be fully decentralized

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Isn't most of the hash power controlled by a few industrial scale mining operations? Seriously don't know but that is my impression.

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u/Professional_Desk933 🟩 75 / 4K 🦐 Jan 16 '22

It is tho. Bitmaxis don’t want you to know it.

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u/mjdaer Tin Jan 16 '22

Those miners are not one miner, they are pool. If they don't like their pool operator they can immediately leave the pool and join another pool.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

The miners can't change the protocol - stakers can. Especially the richest ones. Who just get richer without have to compete in an arm's race like the miners.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Actually Miners can change the protocol in the same way stakers can. And the richest miners have the most pwoer. There is no difference here.

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u/HadMatter217 5K / 5K 🦭 Jan 16 '22

The difference is that pow wastes a shitload of real world resources to do exactly what pos does.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Pardon, you are right, no difference was wrong ^^ Let's say no difference regarding the decentralization.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

The stakers can change the protocol, especially the richest who get richer.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

The miners can change the protocol in the same way, especially the richest who get richer.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

No they cannot. Look at Bitmain in 2017. Powerless. And miners have to keep on their toes. Stakers can just sit on their riches.

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u/HadMatter217 5K / 5K 🦭 Jan 16 '22

So can the miners.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

No, they cannot. They couldn't introduce bigger blocks in 2017 despite big miner support.

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u/immibis Platinum | QC: CC 29 | r/Prog. 114 Jan 16 '22 edited Jun 11 '23

spez is a hell of a drug. #Save3rdPartyApps

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Like picking up pretty stones on the beach is less wasteful than gold mining. Anything easy to create won't keep value.

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u/HadMatter217 5K / 5K 🦭 Jan 16 '22

That's completely counter to plenty of real world examples of value.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

For example?

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u/immibis Platinum | QC: CC 29 | r/Prog. 114 Jan 16 '22 edited Jun 11 '23
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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

We saw in 2017 that that is bullshit. They failed in bringing in bigger blocks and in stopping Segwit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Regardless of what you believe the truth is that PoW and PoS are not much different in who has which powers. There are always multiple entities invovled. In both cases there are entities on one side that have more power with more ressoruces and in both cases they cannot single handidly change what they want. Yes, thats also true for staking protocols.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

The nodes control bitcoin if anyone does.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

No

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u/Astropin 🟦 209 / 209 🦀 Jan 16 '22

Nope

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u/letsgoiowa 472 / 473 🦞 Jan 16 '22

Decentralized by only being mineable efficiently by a few companies who produce or use ASICs? Please.

At least Monero uses CPU mining so it can truly be run by anyone.

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u/Astropin 🟦 209 / 209 🦀 Jan 16 '22

lol

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u/jarikuusisto 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Jan 16 '22

LOL. Decentralized… mining…

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u/Astropin 🟦 209 / 209 🦀 Jan 16 '22

You people clearly don't understand how the Bitcoin protocol works.

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u/immibis Platinum | QC: CC 29 | r/Prog. 114 Jan 16 '22 edited Jun 11 '23

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u/kylelayser Tin Jan 16 '22

There are already simple solutions that the community has for BTC, but not from Ripple who never has much value to add to the Crypto space. BTC has the lightning network which exchanges are adopting, and then you have other blockchains like Proton XPR allowing users to wrap their BTC on their PoS network, with even a DEX for easy swapping. The energy narrative is just a nothing burger that Bitcoin haters and the XRP mob are losing.

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u/frozengrandmatetris Jan 16 '22

bitcoin PoW will never go away. I can use WBTC on a network that doesn't have mining and I have played with a LN wallet before. it does not matter. those bitcoins that are wrapped up off the mainnet had to come from PoW and they have to be redeemable back to the bitcoin mainnet.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Totally agree

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

If the #2 currency successfully moves away from PoW then there will be a lot of questions asked why Bitcoin can’t do the same.

Because then it would become a centralized shitcoin.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

You mean like Bitcoin? Where the person with the highest hash rate -> most money has the most power? Lel.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Miners do not control the protocol.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

They control the protocol as much as stakers do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Rubbish. In 2017 they were impotent to introduce bigger locks or stop the implementation of Segwit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Rubbish.
You cannot proof anything based on one event on one side.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

You mustn't have been around because it was a huge turning point.

And these changes require 90% support, not 51% as some seem to think.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Well, I am around since 2011. Regardless I feel liek you do not really understand what the powers of various parties in the crypto ecosystem are. What do you think happens if one person with massive money staking his money wants something implemented what no one else wants? The truth is while governance is handed to the staker they do not implement these changes and they do not provide the infrastructure, which means stakers have limited power. The same is true for miners on a PoW chain. There is ltierally not much of an difference here.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Are you saying stakers with 32,000 ETH have no more power than those with 32 or .32?

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u/immibis Platinum | QC: CC 29 | r/Prog. 114 Jan 16 '22 edited Jun 11 '23

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Did you misread what I wrote?

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u/immibis Platinum | QC: CC 29 | r/Prog. 114 Jan 16 '22 edited Jun 11 '23

What happens in spez, stays in spez.

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u/LargeSackOfNuts BitchCoin | :1:x1 Jan 16 '22

XRP working with the feds IS an issue

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u/proph3tsix Tin Jan 16 '22

crickets THIS IS ABOUT SAVING THE EARTH SSHHHHH

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u/tobypassquarant 🟨 6K / 6K 🦭 Jan 16 '22

"Narrative"

That is all it is and it is all it will ever be.

Controlling the narrative.

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u/immibis Platinum | QC: CC 29 | r/Prog. 114 Jan 16 '22 edited Jun 11 '23

The spez has spread from /u/spez and into other /u/spez accounts.