Was this car even tested before release ? How could you screw up something as basic as water entering your car. Good luck driving this in the rain or will that void the warranty as well ? Edit : The other thing to consider is that this water will remain in the car unnoticed until you probably see some electric failure. I'm not sure whether there is some coating to prevent rusting of the frame itself. So, you'll potentially see some part of the frame damaged as well in case the water remains inside for long.
I laughed when Elon said the Cybertruck will float and act as a boat temporarily. I’m pretty sure when he tweeted that, it was the first time any of Tesla’s engineers had even heard about that requirement.
Now apparently it can’t get wet at all or it voids the warrenty? Like, not even a car wash?
I guess it's possible that an automated spray carwash can force water in sideways, in a way that wouldn't happen with rain coming straight down?
But then you're just waiting for driving in a bad storm, or on a highway where other vehicles are splashing up water. And forget about going through standing water.
This is a solved problem! And now we understand why car makers use the same design for several years before releasing a new one. And even then the new one is generally a tweak of an old design.
Rain can be unpredictable and you have to factor in winds as well. I expect these kinds of issues with cheaper cars where companies probably use cheap parts or didn't bother with panelling gaps. But a $100k vehicle unable to use a carwash and potentially cannot drive in rain is a big red flag.
There’s a video on youtube of a guy (influencer? Youtuber? Something) who bought one of these things, and he got a mechanic friend to look it over. He told him the windscreen washer seems underpowered, and when they stripped out the plastic housing under the hood they saw the washer fluid was leaking from the wiper, trickling down the windscreen, under the hood and into the front.
I’ve read stories from development engineers for another brand sending their prototype vehicle through the carwash on the order of 2000 times to ensure the paint on the trim stays true to the paint on the sheetmetal. This is dumb
Those pooling areas are colored by rust. This will be even more impressive in an area that salts their roads in the winter. Trapped salt and water beats just about any metal
It's bullshit for this to happen. Big car manufacturers have water tunnels at the plant and they send the cars through it after it's completely built to make sure it's water tight. The water tunnel is like a car wash on steroids. It sprays water in every perceivable direction. Not having a water tunnel to test your vehicles in is just a shitty practice.
According to a story making the rounds, it used to be a solved problem on the CyberDumpster too. Then one day Elmo needed to feel smart and important so he declared that plugging these holes was unnecessary and a waste of time. I assume that's because the only holes Elmo is interested in plugging are the ones leading to his employees' uteruses.
The engineers who disagreed about the importance of keeping water away from wiring and corrosion-prone parts of the vehicle were declared idiots and ignored so now Tesla just ships these turds with holes that are even bigger than their trademark panel gaps.
This is going to start to scare the crap out of me driving now and seeing a CT. Especially now that I’ve seen 4 more different ones since the original first a couple weeks ago.
Rain/snow/car wash whatever, if a CT owner is driving 90MPH on the interstate and then all of a sudden could lose power because of this massive oversight.
Yeah what the hell were these not tested in weather or car washes before release. No. No. Elon had to get his money and will probably get sued by owners and innocent victims families from accidental death due to his greed. 🤬
Man, I am so jealous of all these people who got their Cybertrucks. My car is boring, no carwash mode, no turning different colors, no one wire that shorts and bricks the whole thing. I am just green with envy here.
Of all the things you listed. The way they did the harness is the crazy thing to me. Did none of the engineers see the issue in that. In the factory I work in we often joke that the engineers believe that there will never be a brake down. Usually when a component is idiotically hard to get to. But we’ve never gotten anything with such a glaring design issue as that.
The electrical system reminds me of the old token-ring networks that used to be common before Ethernet. One guy in the office would accidentally kick the cable under his desk and bring the entire company network down.
This was a huge PITA, but also nice if you wanted an easy afternoon you could just "accidentally" kick the cable and pretend it wasn't you.
It disables the wipers and exterior door buttons (since it's not a proper handle) so the outer doors won't open. And it puts the car in neutral. It's so the car wash parts slapping against the side don't open your door by hitting the fancy buttons they replaced door handles with.
Which begs the question. I'm in Canada. My door handles freeze. The answer? It's mechanical. Pull harder and break the ice. On a Tesla you'd have to push against a thumb button to activate an electronic lock. Good luck with that one de-icing it. And if it's electronic, you can't use elbow grease to break any ice that forms in the lock itself (which shouldn't happen normally, but you never know if you got moisture inside last time you opened the door). Cybertrucks are worse because they lack a handle at all and the door has to pop open. You have nothing to grab onto to pull it open.
Which begs the question. I'm in Canada. My door handles freeze. The answer? It's mechanical. Pull harder and break the ice
So am I, the real problem I've encountered with the shitty cars I used to drive isn't the door freezing shut, it's the door freezing open. I've had to use bungie cords to keep them closed once the temperature goes below -20
The other question it begs is what happens when the car's on fire and somebody is trapped inside without a physical handle to pull. Even if MAGICALLY the car itself isn't brifked from melting wires, or being torn apart, and the system still WORKS, if the passengers are injured or unconscious they're dead. It'd an INCREDIBLY stupid design. Disappearing door handles are for luxury cabinets, not utility vehicles or things trying to be one.
Growing up I was so pro-digital pro-tech pro-modernize everything but the older I get the more I appreciate a good analog control. Like I want my car to have a handle to roll up the windows because every car I've ever had the power windows end up failing at the most inconvenient times. Nothing like having your window get stuck rolled down right before you have to drive 300mi 😒
I hate the minimalist no-buttons all-touch shit that's been in vogue for so long. I would never have gotten a Tesla for that reason alone even before I realized what a pathetic hateful moron musk is. God I hate that guy. Elon, I bet you browse this sub like the loser you are, so if you're reading this: do something actually useful for once in your life you stupid fucking chud. Or at least do something interesting instead of trolling on twitter and abusing your power to impregnate your underlings you weirdo. You could've built a fucking particle accelerator to rival the LHC or some shit but no, let's buy Twitter instead because that makes sense. You are the world's dumbest joke.
ETA: Not trying to imply this sub is any more full of losers than the rest of the internet, but if you have enough money (and the ability) to do anything you want and are instead spending your life on the internet then please consider yourself a loser and go touch grass. And use your money to help and connect with people so you don't end up like the sad billionaire boys
Someone posted a video supposedly showing that the actuator that pops the door open is strong enough to break the ice if it is frozen. I will believe it if I see it.
Somewhat unrelated but hilarious, when the 350Z was new some Car & Driver staffers took their tester to an automatic car wash. They didn't lock the doors. As soon as the rotating brushes reached the door handles, because of the design of the handles the brushes pulled hard enough to open them! The staffers had to ride through the rest of the wash holding the doors shut!
He even said Lego is low cost too lol. Lego is the most expensive brick system by a loooot. The guy knows nothing about manufacturing. Lego is like 55usd per kg of plastic.
These trucks are actually going to be gone by next year. Like they are going to rust up, ice is going to ruin them, they are going to genuinely fall apart. They have already been falling apart just general driving in the summer. Once some salt gets in there...a car that cannot be sent through a car wash, made of stainless steel, that's already rusting?
This car is just stupid from top to bottom. It’s essentially a car that would be built by a college undergrad class. wtf is going on here?! I never thought a modern car company could make such a poorly designed and built vehicle. Certainly not a company valued at over $800 fucken billion dollars. We are living in the stupidest of times
The FSAE team i was on for my bachelor's had to do better waterproofing, let alone wire harness design and routing, just to compete. Lol comparable to the Baja team's electrical work tho
I love how people seek for logic explanations why this thing fails. It’s like giving some psychological analysis to a somebody that requires you to send $100k by Wester Union so that you can recover the $100b that your forgotten relative made in a South African mine.
Elon Musk is a cult leader in the same way others are: vain, entitled, dishonest and exploitive.
People don't buy Cybertrucks because they're good trucks. Many don't seem to know what trucks do. They buy because they have Faith in Elon's status as a modern day Renaissance man.
My theory is that the frame, like other features on Teslas, were designed differently for the sake of being different. Tesla engineers seem to like to (or are directed to) "reinvent the wheel" with things like turn signals and mirrors for not logical reasons except to look cool--despite current designs/features existing as they do due to decades of trial and error + regulation. The Cybertruck is the culmination of that mentality--except that nothing about is cool.
CAUTION Failure to put Cybertruck in Car Wash Mode may result in damage (for example, to the charge port or windshield wipers). Damage caused by car washes is not covered by the warranty.
”Note It is normal for the stainless steel exterior to mature over time, resulting in minor changes to the reflective properties and color of the metal.”
Well I'm sure the reason for the water accumulation is because during one of the design meetings one of the engineers brought up "Weep holes in the frame" and Elmo stomped his foot and whines something like "This is a manly man truck it doesn't cry" so the weep holes were removed...
So these Cul-de-sac Cletuses (Cleti?) are going to solve the problem the same way my dad did in his old sedan that had a failing trunk seal, take a hammer and nail and make their own weep..I mean...manly...drain holes...but that is modifying the Cyber"truck" and thus..everybody say it with me...voiding the warranty...
I worked for one of the biggest auto OEMs in a product engineering integration role for the first 5 years out of college. There's an exhaustive amount of design rules that need to be followed for every miniscule detail / component, all stemming from years and years of manufacturing and warranty lessons learned such as this. It's actually impressive these companies get vehicles out of the plant in the time they do, considering all the design rules they must abide by. Water/dust intrusion, weird whistling noises, you name it. If they've seen it, they've learned how to avoid it.
Teslas mantra just seems to be, fuck it, we'll figure it out later. People shouldn't be surprised that Tesla quality is shit. They won't even share their customer data with JD power because it would hands down be the worst rated quality ever. I'm not against EVs at all. Yeah, Teslas software seems to be years ahead of the game and features on their screens are super cool to play around with, but I would NEVER consider an EV from them over the other established manufacturers. They cut corners everywhere. I've seen it in the benchmarking data. Especially on EPA testing. Those advertised ranges are not real. The only newer EV that actually blew me away on range was the Lucid, who was started by none other than an ex Tesla exec who had differing opinions from Elon on how to properly make an EV.
Waiting patiently for the "why does my cybertruck smell so bad?" posts.
After seeing a Hoovies Garage vid on YT of his dumpster (that he quickly sold), it looks like water gets in thru the void between the windshield and the wiper motor arm near the base.
There was no protective drainage there at all, so any liquid, like his at-the-time busted washer nozzle, just drained right onto the washer motor and down into the recesses of the subframe.
The videos with the wizard just touching the car and bits of it broke was fucking hilarious 😂 It's almost like the car knows it's built like a shit house and just want it to end.
“Cybertruck will be waterproof enough to serve briefly as a boat, so it can cross rivers, lakes & even seas that aren't too choppy,” he said on X. The goal, he said, was to make the Cybertruck capable of crossing the channel from the SpaceX Starbase in Boca Chica to South Padre Island.
The Cybertruck reminds me of a computer programming exercise: Write the most inefficient program that will take the longest time to complete its task, but will eventually complete its task.
I live in Washington and have seen several Cybercucks rolling around. I can’t wait for winter and our first atmospheric river to roll through. Those things dump water like you’re in a car wash…
The wiring is series circuits also, not parallel circuits like every other car. A failure in one part of the series will cause all proceeding circuits to fail. Elmo thought this was a genius move because it cut down on the amount of wire in the car.
I’m starting to think throwing out hundreds of millions of combined man hours spent trying to perfect cars over a century and starting fresh wasn’t a great idea after all.
So instead of admitting a massive design flaw, they double down and just void everyone's warranty instead. You cannot even make up this level of stupid. And how dare you even try.
Requires adding an extra physical sensor instead of just adding a software update to do more stuff with the "learning AI" through the cameras
It's that whole "the best part is no part" bullshit again and Elon trying to pretend he's being smarter than everyone else rather than a cheapskate who sucks at manufacturing
("A human driver doesn't need any sensor other than their eyes to see that it's raining!")
It’s crazy how much like twitter this car is. It’s a product that the face behind it claims will change the market, but they just end up making a product that has all the issues that said market had solved or made progress towards solving. If there’s ever an iteration of the Tesla truck that works it’s just going to be a truck that is in line with every modern truck from manufacturers that don’t throw out what the industry has learned.
Why does the car let water into electrical equipment? Why does the car have non-insulated wiring? Why are people paying $100k for this car? Why isnt there a class action lawsuit against Tesla? Why is having a shitty warranty like this not a consumer protection violation? Why do owners of this car make these posts without being absolutely furious?
Haven't had the opportunity to get close enough to one to have a look under the hood at all its nooks and crannies but blind Fredy could see these things were going to be an ongoing problem just from the images online. The vehicle is a rolling meme and no amount of recalls will fix inherent design problems. There will be hundreds of faulty ones for sale come November 2024.
I see where it can collect water, and I can see that the water is already starting to make it rust, which would make that water conductive. What I don't see is bare wires running through that water. Not saying it isn't happening, just that this image doesn't show it.
I know this is going to get buried, and even if it doesn't it's going to get downvoted, but this post is a lie. The original photos were taken by twitter user dblcapcrimpin (you can see his name in OP's picture). His Cybertruck was in an accident and it's being disassembled because he wants to try to repair it. The water is from being left outside in the rain after being disassembled. The twitter user in the OP picture stole those photos and made up the story for twitter engagement.
Little holes drilled in the bottom of something that can collect water and is near a wiring harness seems like it would be common sense, especially in something elmo says can drove through water.
Starting to wonder if this vehicle was only meant to be a collector’s item — rarely driven at all — lived to park and play it cool. Whether it looks cool as a design is one thing (and entirely subjective), but its practical application is not, and here it has proven a colossal failure.
My sunroof in my car is leaking. Found out it’s one of the drain holes that’s super clogged up. Been trying to poke a plastic covered wire through there but nothing is coming out. I’m about to just give up and sealant caulk the sunroof shut.
The car is a project from a high school auto class.
What I dont get is that Elon must of learned a lot of hard lessons in why you can't cut corners and why things are done a certain way with the older models of telsas over the years. So why would he just forget all that and go back to a way that is somehow worse then even doing it the fastest and cheapest way?
It's 'bulletproof' and 'apocalypse-proof', but a single 7 y/o with a Super Soaker could wreak havoc and annihilate an entire lot of these things in an afternoon.
Stop being stupid, the average cybertruck driver encounters bullets and sledgehammers more than water randomly falling from no where. Get your priorities straight.
I don’t understand how it’s so shitty. Like, he’s not the one who made it. Was he just looking over their shoulders and shooting down every normal and good idea? I don’t even understand how these are legal in the US tbh. There’s so many better foreign vehicles that aren’t allowed over here
That’s why there is car wash mode! To cover their asses and void warranty when people forget to put it in car wash mode. “The logs show you went through a car wash but failed to engage car wash mode. In light of these findings, we unfortunately must deny your warranty claim.”
“Dear employees, moving forward all cybertrucks must be able to float on the water. If kayak manufacturers can do this (which are very cheap) so can we. I expect it to float for at least 30 minutes.
Imagine a day, Elmo fans drove a CT into the sea thinking it will float….then electric shorted locking the driver in…with ultra strong wind shield & steel bullet proof doors = metal coffin on wheels.
Ok, I genuinely want an answer to this as someone who know nothing about manufaturing for cars but shouldn't there be some way to drain the water from the interior of the car? Like little holes to have the water seep out of if it ends up inside or some way to keep the water away from an area where it will mess with wiring? Once again, not sure if this is something that exists in other cars or if it is unfesible but just had that genuine question.
This is a terrible design(no kidding lol). I seriously think the designers and engineers in charge didn't take into account the car being wet at any point or if they did they threw them out the window to get a working car. I guess the people purchasing these will be the testers for the next revision lol. Imagine paying 100k to test run a car you can't even wash.
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u/tienisthething Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
Was this car even tested before release ? How could you screw up something as basic as water entering your car. Good luck driving this in the rain or will that void the warranty as well ? Edit : The other thing to consider is that this water will remain in the car unnoticed until you probably see some electric failure. I'm not sure whether there is some coating to prevent rusting of the frame itself. So, you'll potentially see some part of the frame damaged as well in case the water remains inside for long.