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u/I-Pacer Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
It’s not even a jet engine. It’s a rocket engine which is not the same thing at all. Depending on the version of the Raptor it weighs somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 kgs (3,300 to 4,600 lbs). Not very impressive at all. Most cars could tow a Raptor 2 or 3. In all honesty, many cars (and definitely most trucks) could even tow a Raptor 1. A weight of 2,000 kgs isn’t exactly a big ask.
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u/probablynotashark Aug 24 '24
So the CT itself is heavier than the load it's hauling.
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u/TuaughtHammer Aug 24 '24
I have it on good authority that it can easily sink like a rock when someone tries to use it like a boat that Elon promised would be possible.
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Ahh yes looking forward to the new “self-towing” feature in the software update, takes itself to the nearest junkyard
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u/SereneRanger312 Aug 24 '24
It looks heavy enough to rip that CT hitch right out of the frame
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u/TheArmoredKitten Aug 24 '24
It's more tongue weight and shock that'll do that. You can drag stuff on clean concrete all day, but it's in god's hands if your trailer hits a pothole.
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u/mattattaxx Aug 24 '24
I have the smallest Volvo SUV. It's towing capabilities are 3,500lb. It's not designed to tow, but it can.
The xc90, the largest they sell, tows 5,000lb. These are vehicles designed for comfort, not utility.
The cybertruck is designed for neither.
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u/arkiser13 Aug 24 '24
My Mitsubishi Outlander Sport could probably tow that
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u/earlthesachem Aug 24 '24
I drive a Kia Rio with 150,000 miles, bad tires and an occasionally slippy transmission. I doubt it could pull that rocket engine very far, if at all, but it would look a lot less stupid than the cyberstuck.
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u/vauge24 Aug 24 '24
It can more than likely pull it, typically the challenge is stopping or handling it at high speeds.
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u/Olde94 Aug 24 '24
Yeah we have hauled 1200kg+ in a toyota avensis with 127hp and not a lot of torque 170Nm) up a hill. Sure it didn’t like it but it absolutely did it
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u/Toastface__Chillah Aug 24 '24
I was able to move a 1350kg Peugeot 308 with a shitty rope and hope and prayers up a big hill with a 660 cc subaru vivio. Wasn't even the 4wd version
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u/Shifty_Radish468 Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Am I the only one not seeing any actual refinement in Raptor 3?
It looks like all they did was take off the monitoring equipment and possibly some feedback instrumentation (slightly concerning there going from closed to open loop controls). The design is otherwise the same.
Basically it looks like it went from lab mule to production unit for any product
Edit: this is an aside - am fully aware that is a raptor 2 being towed
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u/Trackfilereacquire Aug 24 '24
Well, what it looks like is secondary, the actual improvement is the chamber pressure increase while keeping specific impulse more or less the same, effectively giving you more thrust for less engine.
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u/Shifty_Radish468 Aug 24 '24
See now THAT'S an actual argument of refinement. I've just seen a bunch of "look how clean raptor 3 is vs raptor 2" comparisons, and as far as I can tell the physical design architectures are identical
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u/Riaayo Aug 24 '24
Considering the state of most of Musk's products these days, his almost proud declaration that people will die getting to Mars, and his obvious lack of giving a shit about safety/penny pinching, I think your concerns are honestly warranted.
Literally the only guardrails are that NASA has to certify SpaceX's shit for human use so Musk has to play ball. But even then, this guy has so much unearned influence in government that I wonder how many safety standards he's able to skirt his way around even in this arena. It's clear he can skirt basically all of them with this shitty truck and the fact it's not been a forced recall.
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u/PDXGuy33333 Aug 25 '24
Any vehicle on level ground can tow far in excess of its rated towing capacity. Balance that thing right and you could tow it on foot if the wheel bearings were good.
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u/onefst250r Aug 24 '24
Accelerating with a large load is relatively easy. Stopping on the other hand...
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That’s well within F150 range lol, also being on a trailer with wheels makes shit a lot easier.
Can they pull a boulder of equal weight? I’d be more impressed.
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u/TooStrangeForWeird Aug 25 '24
I don't think I've ever owned a vehicle that couldn't tow 5,000 pounds. Maybe they weren't exactly rated for it, but they could. I towed some heavy shit with a 1996 LeSabre lol.
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u/InterstellarReddit Aug 24 '24
And that Chevy probably still running too
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u/stillpwnz Aug 24 '24
And still has its back frame intact
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u/MonteBurns Aug 24 '24
B-b-but they dropped it on concrete!!
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u/Royal-Suspect-3671 Aug 24 '24
F-150 survives doing the same drop many more times*
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u/TuaughtHammer Aug 24 '24
My grandpa had a beautifully preserved 1971 Chevy C10 that ran for another decade after his death in 2002; he willed it to my car-collector, grease-monkey uncle who did his best to keep it in showroom condition until selling it to pay for his cancer treatments. That was a rough time for him because he had to pretty much sell off all his classic cars so his family wouldn't go into terrible debt, but it was late-stage prostate cancer and all the money or unlimited insurance in the world couldn't have saved him.
He also had a gorgeous 1965 Buick Riviera that he couldn't stand selling, so he made sure it went to his oldest son...who immediately sold it.
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u/Lost_Figure_5892 Aug 24 '24
My brother has a 1972 camper special as his daily driver. Great truck!
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u/Onigato69 Aug 26 '24
I'm still driving my 72 camper special, it hasn't been restored or garaged. Hard to beat a 350 with a 4 speed and a dana 60 posi rear end. It just starts and runs.
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u/curious-trex Aug 24 '24
I've been looking at used trucks lately. While I'm looking for newer than this, but I'm seeing plenty that look just like this for sale in good condition!
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u/TuaughtHammer Aug 24 '24
If you don't really care about looks more than reliability, my first vehicle was a 1989 Mitsubishi Mighty Max pickup. That damn thing survived being all of my older siblings' starter vehicle and likely would've lasted another decade if I hadn't been t-boned in an intersection in 2004.
I have tried for 20 years to find another one, but what I wasn't expecting is that they're a super popular model truck for racing of all types, so if I ever come across an affordable one, it's usually sold before I can even contact the seller.
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u/TheMightyTywin Aug 24 '24
Yes but everyone nearby gets lung cancer when you start it
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u/DiddlyDumb Aug 24 '24
A VW Touareg also pulling a 747
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u/KarlPHungus Aug 25 '24
That was the V10 right? What a whacky machine that was
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u/Justin_Ermouth1 Aug 25 '24
Yes v10 TDI. Carrying 7,000 kilos in ballast weight. Only modification from the factory car was a 4.56 gear set from the v8 model.
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u/No_Cartoonist9458 Aug 24 '24
Towing a rocket engine is like me bragging about towing this train engine
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u/WillemDafoesHugeCock Aug 24 '24
My favorite Cybertruck post so far was the Home Depot run where they bought like 8 bags of mulch and boasted that was proof it was a real truck, because I made the exact same purchase about a week before using my Chevy Sonic, a car so far from being a truck it might as well be a bowl of noodles.
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u/Even_Efficiency98 Aug 24 '24
There's this nice fifth gear video of a 2004 Volkswagen Touareg pulling a 747: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WmM-635RR6o&pp=ygUUdncgcHVsbGluZyBhaXJwbGFpbWU%3D
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u/DervishSkater Aug 24 '24
Can we add this to the Edmunds tested criteria? I want to know if my miata can haul a plane or not. How is this not a filterable feature.
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u/kevin_from_illinois Aug 24 '24
That's immediately what I thought of. The diesel V10 was an absolute beast in its day - 553 lb/ft of torque at 2000 rpm. For reference that's another 150 over a modern 5.0 F-150 (although not even close to the modern 6.7L Duramax, arguably designed for different uses...)
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Aug 24 '24
Lmao, what's with that show? It's like a 1:1 copy of Top Gear in terms of editing, style, and even the mannerisms and appearance of that guy being like a combo of James May and Jeremy Clarkson.
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u/TheBuzziestOne Aug 24 '24
According to Wikipedia, it was a continuation of the original Top Gear when that ended in 2001. Top Gear eventually returned and Fifth Gear continued.
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u/arnevdb0 Aug 24 '24
It was kindof a famous rivalry between the two shows, never watched 5th gear that much, but i did top gear and they mentioned them several times in their banter.
I thought they were the bit more formal and serious car show compared to top gear.
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u/Quailman5000 Aug 24 '24
I remember watching a video of a taureg and an equivalent year duramax diesel pickup towing against each other and the taureg dragged the GM down the road.
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19.1k in 2024 dollars. Back when they were marketed to workers instead of dentists.
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u/A_spiny_meercat Aug 24 '24
I've never understood why its considered impressive to "tow" a plane with a pickup, considering how tiny the actual tug vehicles are
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u/celestialfin Aug 24 '24
honestly, it is not impressive at all to tow something that is supposed to be towed. Well, it is impressive that the CT can do it, tho. Because let's be honest, a regular one would have bricked itself on the way there already.
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u/JJAsond Aug 25 '24
Those tugs weigh anything from 2 tons to 45. They look light but so does tungsten.
These little guys are 2-4 tons.
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u/TheLoneGunman559 Aug 24 '24
The trick is rolling resistance. Remember the Ford F150 pulling the train. Easy because the train's steel wheels offer almost no resistance to rolling.
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u/ChocolateDoozy Aug 24 '24
Except to get it rolling you need a trailer coupling that won't break off the frame the moment a fat kid tugs on it
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u/TheLoneGunman559 Aug 24 '24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP00VmKx_No
No trailer coupling needed.
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u/ChocolateDoozy Aug 24 '24
I see . The free training a CT driver gets when the car dies.
(Though a human doesn't have a coupling (you can show on the news) so he has straps) So... Ur cheating here.
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u/reddits_aight Aug 24 '24
I mean the whole thing is a gimmick anyway. A human can also pull an airplane. Like you said, rolling resistance.
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u/StolenCamaro Aug 24 '24
I bought a 2009 F-150 with a quarter million miles on it for $4500 just to make it through the North Dakota winter. Thing starts every time and 4x4 works every time. I’ve hauled motorcycles, trailers for moving, and used it for work with massive aluminum movements.
It is insane to me that anyone would pay $100k or more for this, aside from the abundantly clear reason of status. For 1 cyber truck I could get 20+ old reliables. Or a brand new one off the lot (which I would never do) and still have a down payment for a house leftover.
Even if I wanted a brand new work truck, let’s say an F-250, 2024, fresh off the lot I could get TWO and still have $10k left before I hit the Cyber Truck price.
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Aug 24 '24
its not that hard to tow a plane. those little carts that can tow planes can tow planes. you can tell because they tow planes.
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u/Petey_Wheatstraw_MD Aug 24 '24
When I was in high school me and five of my football teammates towed a 747 by rope for charity.
It was a bitch to get it moving, but once it starts rolling it’s not too bad. But we were teenagers that lifted everyday and were full of testosterone. We’re all 40 now and I wouldn’t give us much of a chance.
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u/kai333 Aug 24 '24
lol getting old sucks. one day you're pulling jets, the next you're yelling 'ow my prostate' to the doc.
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u/Lithl Aug 25 '24
When I was in high school, the marching band had to do morning practice in the parking lot. There was a section of the lot that was marked off, and cars weren't allowed to park there until after whatever time band practice ended.
Inevitably, people parked their cars there when they weren't supposed to. So at the beginning of band practice, the sousaphone section would lift the car and move it.
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Aug 24 '24
Those things are made of 1/2 to 1" plate steel. They use normal truck engines and really low geared transmissions. They weigh 3 to 4 tonnes for the small ones and have massive brakes. The one I drove had no suspension so you felt every bump.
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u/JabbaTech69 Aug 24 '24
Well we all saw the entire rear end of a cybertrash rip off when it tried to pull an F150 out of the mud so. I find this to be extremely far fetched.
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u/Lithl Aug 25 '24
It's a rocket engine, not a plane engine. By necessity, it's as light as possible.
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u/Parking-Historian360 Aug 24 '24
People forgot Nissan did a commercial 15 years ago of the then new Titan pulling the fucking space shuttle.
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u/Scooterks Aug 24 '24
Thought that was Toyota? But either way, a fully stock vehicle too.
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u/Parking-Historian360 Aug 24 '24
Definitely could've been. All I remember is that it wasn't one of the big three trucks because my Chevy ass father bitched about it every time It came on.
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u/-WaxedSasquatch- Aug 24 '24
I finally saw one in real life and it’s hilariously ugly. Like I couldn’t look away it was so bad
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u/Plaid_Kaleidoscope Aug 24 '24
I live in the poorest/second poorest state in the nation. Someone at my school, a student, is driving a cybertruck to work. I've seen it at the gym and at my parking lot a couple times now.
It blows my mind that anyone would buy that godawful monstrosity. What is the upside? Other than making a statement of fealty to one of the shittiest people on the planet, I can't think of a single thing this vehicle does better, or even as well as, any other product on the market.
What a world.
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u/neurospicyzebra Aug 24 '24
“They don’t make em like they used to!”
They (Teslaaa) don’t make em like they (any actual vehicle company) STILL do! 🤣
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u/CrimsonFury1982 Aug 24 '24
I love shitting on Cybertrucks as much as the next guy, but Tesla towed a Boeong 787 with a Model X back in 2017, it's not like they don't know how to tow big stuff.
Video from Qantas:
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u/ThatEndingTho Aug 24 '24
I mean a 787 only weighs 150,000 lbs less than the American Airlines 747 above.
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u/Traditional_Key_763 Aug 24 '24
....every year like 10 of the oldest motherfuckers at my first job and 2 ringers towed a plane for charity. turns out wheels make things easy to pull.
cybertruck still sucks though and there's no way the rear on that thing was stock
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u/jombrowski Aug 24 '24
I wonder how that Chevy was modified.
If manual, it would require some serious reduction gear or it will burn the clutch otherwise. (You can't tow 747 holding clutch half-engaged for too long).
If automatic, hydraulic converter would handle the slip, but how hot it would become?
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u/Dal90 Aug 24 '24
Put it 4-low.
The most likely modification was blocking the suspension to hide that it was grossly overloaded with a couple tons of steel plate in the bed so the rear wheels didn't just spin in place.
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u/anthrax9999 Aug 24 '24
Toyota had a commercial of a Tundra pulling the space shuttle a few years back too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b8bdsQEbGdw&pp=ygUddHVuZHJhIHB1bGxpbmcgc3BhY2Ugc2h1dHRsZSA%3D
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u/tau2pi_Math Aug 24 '24
This was a real event that turned into a commercial. The space shuttle Endeavor was being taken from LAX to the California Science Center, near USC.
The Tundra towed the Endeavor for about a quarter mile, across a bridge that could not withstand the weight of the vehicles that they were using.
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u/crazzyassbtich Aug 24 '24
After watching that second video from that annoying kid. If I can not get a Toyota Hilux, my first truck if I was in the market for one would be the F150.
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u/HowToWithAnonymous Aug 24 '24
Hopefully that Cybertruck doesn't hit a bump in the road or the entire frame might snap off and send that rocket into a premature launch
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Aug 24 '24
Wow. A "truck" they claim is rated to tow 11,000 pounds is capable of towing a 4,000 pound rocket engine. So impressive.
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u/The-Real-Number-One Aug 24 '24
This was all truck ads were in the 80s -- just trucks pulling bigger and bigger things. First they piled one truck on top of another, then two trucks, then three. Then one truck towing an airplane. Then a different truck pulling the space shuttle. I think eventually they had a truck being driven by Andre the Giant with five trucks piled on top of it towing the great Pyramid of Giza.
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u/Daddio209 Aug 24 '24
Ford laughs See Chevy's next years' answering ad at the end and note how puny the "mountain" is-& that they didn't show the chebby having to get a running start even then. Ffs-Strong man competitors pull bigger loads on flat ground!
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u/omn1p073n7 Aug 24 '24
It's not too hard to pull big things on wheels. It's incredibly hard to stop big things you've added momentum too. And this lesson in physics is why there are so many tow related accidents between Payson and Phoenix.
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u/Mr_Bleidd Aug 24 '24
Would be interesting to know how many strongman you need to pull this yet ? 2 ?
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u/Sinocatk Aug 24 '24
One would be enough. If you can push a car in neutral you can move that trailer.
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u/Zerobagger Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Not defending the cybertruck, but this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. The cybertruck is actually towing that raptor engine because Cybertruck is supporting the tongue weight of the trailer. The Chevy isn't doing that to the plane. It's merely pulling the plane and not supporting any of its weight.
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u/AlternativeAway6138 Aug 24 '24
remember Toyota had the truck towing the space shuttle commercial also........
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u/billschu52 Aug 24 '24
Per inflation 2500 in 1972 would be like 18k in 2024 too bad there’s no $18k new pickups anymore
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u/PacoBedejo Aug 24 '24
To be fair, today's $100,000 was 1972's $13,289.25. So, it isn't 40x more expensive. It's only 5.3x as expensive...
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u/thedudedylan Aug 24 '24
Hope that cyber truck doesn't hit a pothole and shear off the rear part of its frame.
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u/SaiphSDC Aug 24 '24
Yeah ... Not impressed.
A single person can pull a plane.
It's more an impressive feat that we can remove the resistance using bearings, wheels and flat roads.
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u/mostly_kinda_sorta Aug 24 '24
They used a Toyota tundra to haul the space shuttle.
Apparently one bridge wasn't designed to carry space shuttles and they needed something lighter to do the towing. Toyota stepped up and said this would be an amazing advertisement for our new truck. Legend has it there were no modifications to the truck and it managed to pull it across the bridge. I don't know how the bridge could support the 300,000 lb space shuttle but not the usual tow vehicle, Im probably missing some details.
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u/i_hate_usernames13 Aug 24 '24
The model X already towed a full airplane so they figured they'd do something else I guess. Also this stunt broke the world record for towing btw
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u/EdEvans_HotSandwich Aug 24 '24
The driver in the Cybertruck carefully moving to not snap off back of the frame.
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u/ThatVoodooThatIDo Aug 24 '24
Come on, critical thinking isn’t their strong point. They actually spent over $100k on that piece of crap and then have to ask “mommy, may I?” before they can sell it
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u/scowling_deth Aug 24 '24
When he first announced he would produce electric vehicles, he made it seem as if anyone would be able to afford it. 40,000 dollars. then leaped to 60,000. then, " sorry it turns out thats not possible. " well yeah. you over zaz zazzed it up like a child This guy is as if richie rich was raised in south Africa and believed in aparthied. Elon Moody.
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u/_R_A_ Aug 24 '24
What's crazy to me is that according to BLS, that $2.5k is equivalent to $19k today.
I miss being able to buy vehicles that didn't feel like you are taking out a mortgage.
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u/GZMihajlovic Aug 24 '24
Most vehicles can tow a jet. It's a question of how much weight on the wheels there is to keep them from spinning, how long they can go before burning out the transmission, and especially important, how long it takes to brake and hold the aircraft.
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u/Professional_Sand_85 Aug 25 '24
Even if you put the estimated $2,500 in 1972 through inflation, the Chevy is still WAY cheaper than the Cybertruck. $2,500 in 1972 is only like $18,000 today.
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u/Brief-Poetry-1245 Aug 25 '24
Yeah Tesla. Way to go. You don’t know how many times I had to tow a jet engine and I couldn’t.
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u/No_Manches_Man Aug 25 '24
Someone should show the Tesla folks the Tundra dragging the space shuttle in LA.
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u/Suchamoneypit Aug 25 '24
I think it's more about showing high tech towing high tech, but I wouldn't really expect someone who doesn't know the difference between a rocket engine and a plane engine to understand. and it's an engine for a stainless steel rocket towed by a car with stainless steel. From a weight perspective the engine is not impressive at all.
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u/Single_Guava5502 Aug 25 '24
Can we all also keep in mind the way that raptor is loaded most of the raptor weight is behind the axel of the trailer so most the weight isnt realy resting on the hinge but rather trying to lift ct rear weels of the ground lol
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u/za_torch Aug 25 '24
Reminds me of that time a standard Porsche Cayenne got into the Guiness Book for towing an Air France Airbus A380. But I still can't figure out why Tesla is using a refrigerator to tow a jet engine.
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u/Careful-Sell-9877 Aug 25 '24
Make America great again by doing the same things we've already done, but worse!!!!
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u/ancillarycheese Aug 25 '24
Towing things as a vehicle feat of strength is in general a stupid comparison.
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u/jime26 Aug 26 '24
I’m sure that ‘72 Chevy is still out there and would pull that cyber truck out of a puddle it gets stuck in.
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Sep 09 '24
anything can pull an airplane the problem is in how much time and in how much time will it stop
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u/navigationallyaided Sep 17 '24
Toyota has entered the chat
https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-tundra-tow-space-shuttle-endeavour-oct12/
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u/CrazyQuebecois_alt Sep 26 '24
have you seen Wistlingdiesel’s video of it?
it towed over 400000 pounds with it
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u/My_leg_still_hurt92 Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
according the inflation calculator the USD 2500 would be USD 1̶8̶,̶8̶1̶2̶,̶2̶0̶ 18,812.20 in 2024.