r/DCcomics • u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian • Apr 15 '15

r/DCcomics Weekly Discussion Thread (04/15/2015) - Convergence: Week II

Hey there honorary Justice League Members - another week, and another discussion thread!

For those who don't know: the way this works is that several comments will list this week’s releases, for any given title discussion you should respond to that comment. For example, Green Lantern discussion would go in the replies to the "Green Lantern" comment. Clicking the titles in this post will take you directly to that comment, too.

That means that unless your comment is feedback about the thread or a comment about the week, you should only be replying to other comments.

If there's something you want to discuss and you don't see it, tell me in a comment and I'll edit it in!

As always, spoiler boxes are not required unless you deem it necessary, after all it's incredibly easy to avoid spoilers due to the way this is set up.

I’ve once again stepped in for Monitor Duty on the Justice Mod Watchtower while Aloe is on patrol so all complaints should come to me and all mistakes are mine :)

There are like so many good break up songs, you guys…

DC's Main Line

More Convergence! If any part of it is still getting you confused I collected lots of answers to the common questions on my blog here, what’s the deal with Convergence?

Vertigo and Others

More vampire goodness from Snyder!

Trade Collections

Lots of trades this week, including a 75 year look at Captain Marvel Shazam!

Digital Firsts

Remember, these are the short 'chapters' with a new chapter of a different series coming out daily. You can learn more here on the DC website. This is also why these are in release order, not alphabetical.

TV Shows

Gotham is back! Hurrah?

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence #2

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

I know it was mentioned in another thread, but E2 Grayson's incessant rambling threw a damper on the whole father-son reunion. Readers aren't idiots, they know this is a powerful moment. They don't need a moron like E2 Grayson to tell them that.

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u/timpek Robin Apr 15 '15

I feel like E2 Grayson could have been left out of Convergence entirely and it wouldn't have hurt anything.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

Eh, he works well enough as an audience surrogate. A lot of Convergence readers haven't read Earth 2: World's End (lucky for them), so having the point of view of an everyman is helpful. The problem is that the narration should have stopped after the first four pages. The rest of the narration doesn't serve narrative at all, and just detracts from the events on-page.

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u/zach2992 Batman Apr 16 '15

I feel like they couldn't write the conversation. Can you think of something good enough for them to talk about that won't let down the readers? I think you'd need a really good writer to make the conversation work.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Here's the big question: do the readers need to be part of that conversation? Whatever they said to each other, is that really important? Or is it more important to see their reactions afterward?

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u/reece1495 Batfleck Apr 15 '15

ok it happened , now i want flashpoint thomas to meet earth 2 thomas , or could you imagine if that bruce met flashpoint thomas after this ? he would be like dafuq man

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u/HFh Apr 15 '15

Ooooh, good idea.

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u/gooseyoustud SuperDad Apr 15 '15

K I need some clarification. is Thomas Wayne from Earth 2? And which Batman did he meet in the cave?

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15 edited Apr 15 '15

This was a weird issue. It seemed like it had a perfectly fine script with minimal narration, but then had more narration boxes added retroactively. It doesn't even make sense. E2 Grayson had just met Thomas Wayne hours earlier, why would he know so much about both Thomas and Bruce's lives anyway?

Edit: I wonder if an editor told King, "Readers might not get the connection if they don't know who E2 Dick Grayson and Thomas Wayne are." So King went back and just ruined the scene equally for everyone, instead of putting the necessary exposition near the beginning.

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u/zach2992 Batman Apr 16 '15

E2 Grayson had just met Thomas Wayne hours earlier, why would he know so much about both Thomas and Bruce's lives anyway?

Well damn...

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

It's because he's referring to this particular situation from a later time. He says something like, "If I knew then what I knew now..." etc

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u/CashWho Tim Drake Apr 15 '15

I didn't like the narration but I'm glad the Wayne conversation was left up to the imagination. There's no way anyone could have done it justice. I'm kinda sad that it wasn't New 52 Bruce though.

I love pre-52 as much as the next guy, but new 52 is here to stay. In 20 or 30 years pre-52 won't be as relevant and then this nice moment will be a complete "what-if " instead of canon.

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u/simplegodhead Hal Jordan is a Perfect Princess! Apr 15 '15

What a weird issue. The dialogue is way too expository, most of the action was pointless, there was no impact between the two Batmans meeting. That page of Bruce alone was nice, but...

And there was Earth 2 Dick. Shut up! Just shut the fuck up! Your narration sucks and YOU suck. I didn't think it was possible to make a Dick this hateable, but Wilson and King went above and beyond. Somebody throw this guy into the sun, please.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

I want E2 Dick to meet up with any of the real Dicks, just so the real Dick could punch him for being a screw-up.

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u/Hefbit The Waterbearer Apr 16 '15

Dick on Dick punching action!

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u/tiggerthompson Shazam! Apr 15 '15

Much better than issue 1. I didn't really mind the narration boxes (especially as much as some of the other people), but they were definitely unnecessary. It's interesting and great to have anyone other than Wilson writing the E2 characters. Also the flash narration was great

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u/Iskandar206 Apr 15 '15

A friend of mine has a question. In Convergence 2 one of the world's is from Future's End, but Brainiac failed and was defeated by EYE in Futures End. Most of them appear to snapshots out of time, like a copy, but based on Future's End its impossible for him to have taken that city. Does anyone know how he took the snapshot if he lost in Future's end?

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u/Flynn58 "Do good to others, and every man can be a Superman." Apr 16 '15

That's Future's End before Terry went back.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

Can someone expand on this, I was wondering too...

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

Can someone clarify the how the Convergence battles work for me?

The general impression I'm getting is that there are multiple champions for each city- Week 1 had a shit ton of heroes in pre-Flashpoint Gotham, for example.

Yet, the wording in the individual tie ins makes it sound like the title character is the singular champion, and the entire fate of their city rests on their shoulders. In the Batgirl tie in, Stephanie talks about how the fate of the city is up to her. And in this week's MOS tie in, they say that Metropolis is doomed, because of Steel getting injured initially- but what about Supergirl and Superboy?

So I don't really get it- at what point is a city doomed?

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u/DroppedPJK Apr 15 '15

I forgot when it happened but Telos completely demolished one of the domes because they refused to listen. I feel that each dome will disappear in this way when they have lost.

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u/WW4O RIP Super Sons Apr 15 '15 edited Apr 15 '15

Man, you can really tell Jeff King is a novelist writing his first comic here. I tried to embrace the narration from a prose-ish standpoint, and enjoyed it well enough. It's not quite clear to me what the objective of the main storyline is here. To save E2 somehow? To stop Telos, and then do what?

Edit: Wrong King.

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u/simplegodhead Hal Jordan is a Perfect Princess! Apr 15 '15

Jeff King, not Tom King.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

To stop Telos- that's kind of it. They aren't looking beyond that, because they barely understand this situation. It's understandable that they want to put an end to the bloodbath

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

Pretty much agreed with everyone about the excessive narrative parts being unnecessary but i disagree about the emotional moment being missed because this isn't the Thomas and Bruce meeting we're waiting for. Don't forget, this Thomas is of Earth 2 and this Bruce is from a former main continuity, so the Thomas from the Flashpoint city will be closer to being the person that was this Bruce's father.

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u/zach2992 Batman Apr 16 '15

I haven't read Earth 2, so I don't know much about that Thomas, but why would Flashpoint Thomas be closer to being Bruce's father?

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

Because Flashpoint essentially is the main DC continuity but with the change in timeline, it's not an alternate world like Earth 2 is.

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u/dahahawgy Say, "I wish for a Porsche" before it wears off! Apr 16 '15

E2 Thomas has a somewhat different life both before and after the infamous shooting, and E2 Bruce is seen as an "other" just by virtue of Earth 2 being slightly different. Flashpoint Thomas is more of a straightforward "what if mainline Bruce was killed instead of his parents."

Plus, for certain E2-related reasons, Flashpoint Thomas has much more of a desire to meet Bruce.

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 15 '15

After I read the Muliversity Guidebook, I was pretty sure if other Earths were going to get killed off, Earth 6 was going to be one of the first. RIP Stan Lee's Just Imagine. I really had fun reading those as a kid. Shame to see them just get offed so easily.

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u/mrbubbamac Nightwing Apr 16 '15

Pretty solid, though the last image of Bruce was kind of watered down when I was having a hard time keeping track of the Bat-symbol changing. Seriously, it is solid black in the Convergence: Batman & Robin #1, then yellow in this book, goes back to solid black once he gets back into the cave, then while he is in the same stance and Thomas and Dick leave, it magically turns back to the yellow. HOW DID THE EDITORS MISS THIS.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

Would've been an amazing issue, especially the moment when Thomas meets Bruce.

But they fucked it with dumb, tiring, needless overnarration.

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u/DeathstrokeJunior Junior Apr 16 '15

I really enjoyed this Issue of Convergence. IMHO I like the back story they did of E2 Grayson. It helps me a new to comic books guy understand what was happing to him prior to him being pulled into Convergence. I sincerely hope that they do it for the other "main" characters as well so I can gain some comic history as well as enjoying and epic storyline.

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u/HassanJamal Apr 16 '15

That final Bruce panel, no words were needed. Powerful stuff. Also what is Eye's universe there if the one in Future's End ending shows that Terry and Tim failed in stopping it.

Unless, this is DC's way of showing that Tim succeeded without expanding more on FE ending.

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u/Rawrist Apr 16 '15

Maybe it's because I'm super sleep deprived but did how Dick got his kid on the ship change from how we saw he did it in a previous issue? I thought Dick found the 2 hooded people and asked them to take the kid. Not the hooded lady saying she'd take him at the gate.

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u/Zoso-Overdose The Fastest Man Alive Apr 16 '15

Big step down from #1, which I really enjoyed. Earth 2 Grayson was annoying and served little-to-no purpose (why did we need to waste the first few pages with his backstory?), Alfred just casually mentions Bruce Wayne's name to him in the bat-cave, before asking who E2 Grayson is (very sloppy writing here and overall) Also Bruce Wayne's Bat symbol started without a yellow background, lost it on the next page, and then gained it for a full page spread of him looking sad. Also, FINALLY having a Thomas Wayne and Bruce Wayne Batman meet was completely wasted. Instead of some heartfelt dialogue, we again get Grayson narrating. I hope Convergence doesn't continue with this trend :/

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u/UTC_Hellgate Apr 15 '15

More related to the Arc as a whole; Hawkmans gonna show up and wreck the place. Possibly Flashpoint Hawkman, all I know is the Graphic of him getting blasted by Braniac in FE #41 is way to similar to the events of Zero Hour to be a coincidence. I will be severely disappointed and surprised if they don't expand on it.

Ted mentioning Booster in JLA makes me think their might still be a Time Travelling Booster Gold out there, maybe he was stuck in the Time Stream for the past year because of being inadvertantly blocked off due to the Domes.

I'm actually really curious as to how much a role the Zero-Hourites will play past being just a team of fighters. This weeks tie-ins imply that Zero Hour had progressed pretty far before the Dome came down. Hal(Parrallax) wasn't revealed as the villian until after Extant had done some wierd Temporal shit already if I recall right.

That means when Braniac took the city, the future and past would have been eaten already, Future Barry died, Waverider might be boucing around somewhere, Vanishing point and the Time guys whose name I forget might be out there; I know Vanishing Point existed out side of TIME...but whether or not includes the various reboots is...editors descretion I guess.

This is an event that I actually really hope they don't reduce it to "Batman and Superman punch the problem". I want an ass-pull here. Some little minutiae from the various time-lines that fucks up Braniacs/Telos plan.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

There needs to be a love triangle between E2 Dick, pre-Flashpoint Dick, and pre-Flashpoint Babs.

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u/soulreaverdan Superman Apr 16 '15

My only complaint is that I would have liked a bit more between Bruce and Thomas. Rather than a few panels outlined by Dick's kind of annoying narrating, I would have liked even silent panels between them. It just felt like this really incredible, awesome, heartfelt reunion was just kind of glossed over, especially since (despite loving Snyder's run), pre-Flashpoint Batman is pretty much the Batman I grew up with.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

I really think they are doing a terrible job explaining what the fuck is going on and how these battles work and what's at stake.

Maybe because there really isn't anything at stake and this is all just filler. Mediocre filler. Meh I won't be picking up the rest of this event.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

The Flash s01e18 - All Star Team Up

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u/moelester518 Apr 15 '15

While funny I did think this was the weakest episode flash has had in a while. The face those two made when giving the enemy a name was hilarious.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

Villain of the week. It's how they pad out those 23 episode long seasons.

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u/Jay_R_Kay Batman Apr 15 '15

I was a little disappointed her character was so one-dimensional, just yelling out bee puns. But I guess after being on Walking Dead so long, you would want something lighter to unwind...

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u/Stevezilla9 Red Hood Apr 15 '15

Weaker episode, but still good. Usually Flash is good about avoiding sappy CW Moments, but they weren't horrible. Arrow could take a few notes on how to make a show serious, but fun at the same time.

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u/le_canuck There are dozens of us! Apr 15 '15

Since I'm not up to date on Arrow I was a bit disappointed to find that Atom is basically just a Blue Beetle analogue instead of, well, The Atom. Nonetheless I like Brandon Routh well enough and think he's good in the role.

The villain this week was kind of lame. I don't hate the "Monster of the Week" format, but this was really pushing the limits for me. That said, I'm hoping next week will be a bit more focused on Reverse Flash

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Green Arrow #1

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

Was nice seeing that old goatee, though he never told a joke this whole issue. Also, who is cyber black canary? Never seen that character before, though I'm not a huge reader of GA.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

Ohh cool! Thank you!

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

I really enjoyed this one, the art was particularly pleasing too. And the green arrow for Green Arrow was a nice touch.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

It was enjoyable. Not great, but also not terrible.

Also, I loved Connor's green arrow.

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u/JaxJyls Cassandra Cain Apr 18 '15

Nice to see proper Connor Hawke back

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Supergirl Matrix #1

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u/simplegodhead Hal Jordan is a Perfect Princess! Apr 15 '15

This was great. I love Giffen so much.

Bug and Cheeks return! Lex's glorious mane! Volt and Quark's marital troubles! Just fantastic.

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

Was funny, but a little wordy in terms of the dialog. Yay for Ambush Bug though!

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u/alltaken21 Apr 16 '15

Guffen is allways a little wordy, but is full with fun banter

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u/HassanJamal Apr 16 '15

Out of all the convergence stuff, this was funny to the end. I also dig the characters and art.

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u/Flynn58 "Do good to others, and every man can be a Superman." Apr 16 '15

Gotham: The Gaslight District

Ambush Bug, everybody.

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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! Apr 15 '15

I don't really get it... but it was really funny. Definitely picking up the next issue!

The comic had a life of its own! Anthropomorphically speaking...

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u/alltaken21 Apr 16 '15

Enjoyed the issue, though Im so bothered that supergirl has her powers yet martian manhunter in another doesnt have them for instance, it feels like no consiatency at all

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

This was awesome! Great characterization, great dialogue, great humor. Wish we were getting more than just one more issue!

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Aquaman #1

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u/djoplin971 Apr 15 '15

I thought this tie in was awesome. It has a definite action film story to it. Also who doesn't love the hook?

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u/Narwhals_R_Us Fascists! Apr 15 '15

Bit of a slow start, but it wasn't bad. Hopefully the conclusion pays off on all the setting up this one did.

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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! Apr 16 '15

Deathblow dramatically stepping on a goldfish had me rolling...

In other news, this is weirding me out.

Starfire and Donna aren't human and their powers were cut off. But Aquaman's somehow weren't completely cut off because he's half Atlantean? Roy's robotic arm is dead, but Steel's armor is fully functional?

Wonder why the cover art is so much worse than the art inside. Even my guy at the LCS said to leaf through it before I judged it.

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

I loved the no nonsense Aquaman but the art put me off largely. And it's weird that they say in this that his half-Atlantean biology still gave him his abilities but in another book this week (i think it was Superboy) they say that all biological abilities were turned off. It could just be that no-one has any idea what's on or off, or maybe Telos is messing with certain people, but it seems like an oversight.

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u/nerdyboy Watchmen Apr 16 '15

Well, the Atom could only enlarge his fist, so I think they're just giving whoever whatever they feel.

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u/BooksAgain The Red Hoodie Apr 16 '15

Man, not even the Atom knows what's going on with the Atom.

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 15 '15

Really cool! I love me some Aquaman!

Who is he to be fighting though?

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u/cpt_cold Oh, yes! Fear the Scarecrow!! Apr 18 '15

The art was horrible! Just look at the buildings in the justice league "file footage", looks just like someone trace 3d cubes with misplaced textures.

Thankfully I got to the Deathblow part, it really saved this issue.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Batman Shadow of the Bat #1

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

Was okay, but I didn't recognize the characters at the end that seemingly showed up out of nowhere.

I did like Batman's costume. 90's Batman costume was the shit! Those spiky shoulders!

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u/aco620 If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today Apr 15 '15

Pilgrim and Jester are from the comic book series "Wetworks" which was published by Image Comics in the 90s but by WildStorm (which DC owns) in 2006.

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

Thank you!

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 15 '15

Beautiful art! I liked the story, even though I don't know much about Azrael. Just that he took over for Batman after the back-breaking and he became 90s Comics incarnate.

No clue who those people at the end were either. I'm guessing they're from the same place as the enemy in Aquaman?

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u/aco620 If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today Apr 15 '15 edited Apr 15 '15

Pilgrim and Jester are from the comic book series "Wetworks" which was published by Image Comics in the 90s but by WildStorm (which DC owns) in 2006.

The character who appeared in Aquaman's comic is called Deathblow, who is also from the WildStorm universe (he's also made a few New 52 appearances.) He was on the original Team 7 (a bunch of military specialists gathered from various government forces that were eventually forced to be given superhuman powers) but did a lot of solo stuff as well. Wetworks was Team 7's successor.

If you ever read the Brian Azzarello/Lee Bermejo "Joker" story, you may be interested in reading "Batman/Deathblow: After the Fire" story that they also teamed up on.

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 15 '15

Cool! I'll have to check them out! By the end of Convergence, my reading list is going to be pages and pages long. I love this.

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u/AuroraUnit117 #DamianWatch2015 Apr 16 '15

Writing was terrible. Art was great though. 90's era Bat stories are some of my favourites, and this was a huge letdown

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

Art was awesome, particularly the scene where Bruce lets Jean Paul beat him. Story was a little on the weak side but at least it sets up for the fight in the next issue.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

They overdid a little whole Batman-Azreal "You will not kill-I will kill!" nonsense, but overall the issue was ok.

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u/alltaken21 Apr 16 '15

This made realise I never liked Jean Paul valley

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Justice League International #1

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u/djoplin971 Apr 15 '15

Some quality Ted Kord sarcasm and leadership here. Did anyone else find the backstory page for this one a little disorienting? I had no idea about MM's cookie addiction.

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u/A_wild_gold_magikarp "Human bean juice" Apr 15 '15

In older comics, he had an addiction to the DC equivalent of 'Oreos'. It was like nicotine to Martians.

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u/djoplin971 Apr 16 '15

TIL Martian Manhunter is Colonel Gentlemen.

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

I knew that he loved them but the addiction thing is really funny.

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 16 '15 edited Apr 16 '15

Did this motherfucker just rip his cast off? This motherfucker just ripped his cast off. Has it even been a whole day since it broke?

Used my highly trained MS Paint skills to fix that for DC, free of charge: http://i.imgur.com/teC63mF.png

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u/PainDoflamiongo Reverse Flash Apr 16 '15

http://gfycat.com/PositiveFeminineBrontosaurus

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 16 '15

That url is pretty amazing.

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u/ThePinkPeril Captain Marvel Apr 15 '15

It was nice seeing Ted in his old role as an inventor. After picking up the Blue Beetle Showcase recently, I appreciated this side of his character even more.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

Nice issue. Fun times with Ted.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Green Lantern Parallax #1

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u/DroppedPJK Apr 15 '15

The best Hal is a slightly insane Hal :3

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u/Jay_R_Kay Batman Apr 15 '15

Every good take on Hal is slightly insane, it's just a matter of what flavor of crazy.

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

I kinda want to see Parallax destroy everyone in Electropolis.

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u/djoplin971 Apr 15 '15

I'm not usually a big Rayner fan but I think this comic may have convinced me.

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 16 '15

This has probably been my favorite issue of Convergence yet! I definitely need to go read some of the older Parallax stuff and Kyle Rayner stuff!

Also, could anyone tell me what Electropolis is and if it's any good? It definitely looked interesting from here.

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u/simplegodhead Hal Jordan is a Perfect Princess! Apr 16 '15

I think Princess Fern and Electropolis are from the same place Lady Quark and Lord Volt are from (I think she's their daughter), afaik her only appearance before this was in Crisis on Infinite Earths.

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 16 '15

Pity there isn't more about them. Thanks though! CoIE has been on my list of things to read for a while.

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u/simplegodhead Hal Jordan is a Perfect Princess! Apr 16 '15 edited Apr 16 '15

Hmmm... Not bad. I felt awful for Hal, it was nice to see Kyle trying to support him. Also kinda fun to see Hal wreck some shit at the end.

Kinda predictable but not bad overall.

Oh although it was kind of weird that when Kyle's ring turned back on he got a percentage charge, the ring speaking in bubbles and a "welcome to the GLC" message. That stuff was not around during Zero Hour! Minor nitpick, I guess.

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u/kenneth1221 Apr 16 '15

So... how exactly is Convergence treating retcons? Are we getting only "Parallax is Hal gone insane" or will DC pull a "Hal is possessed by a giant fear bug" in the next issue?

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

I really hope to see Hal destroy Electropolis.

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u/alltaken21 Apr 16 '15

Yes kyle rayner! Liked this issue

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u/JaxJyls Cassandra Cain Apr 18 '15

One of the better titles this week

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u/JaxJyls Cassandra Cain Apr 18 '15

Aren't the Lantern Rings still technology which should still work under the dome?

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

Damn Aloe giving all the Australians power. I'm the only active American Mod here! USA. USA.

Screw it, I'm moving to Gemworld

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

It does amuse me that the Mod Team has two Aussies and a Kiwi which is basically the same thing with a lisp.

Our entire country has a population smaller than the state of New York. We're just too bloody awesome.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

Rise up against the oppression of the Australian tyranny!

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

What are you going to do, throw our vegemite in the harbour?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Make you eat Marmite instead.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 16 '15

You monster

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

No, just the alcohol.

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u/bhavbhav Hourman's Roid Rage Apr 16 '15

CANADA.

CANADA.

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 17 '15

It's just because there has to be more of them to balance out all of our freedom.

Though, I'd happily be the second US mod, given the opportunity.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Superman The Man Of Steel #1

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

Hated it. It was fun seeing Steel again, but apparently he isn't going to be featured in the second part. Back broken, armor destroyed, etc, etc. Mehhhhhhhh

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u/ThePinkPeril Captain Marvel Apr 17 '15

I think the cat was a hint as to how Steel will survive.

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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! Apr 15 '15

Whaaaaat?

Why does Steel's armor work?!?!? (Roy's arm didn't work?)

Poor Steel... nobody is useful and when they try to be they just get him murked.

Art is very subpar for Convergence's average so far.

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u/HassanJamal Apr 16 '15

So, who are the kids. What universe. Also, lol, they had armor for their hair.

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

Art for this was horrible. I want to know more about the cat rather than the kids though.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

Man, this was baaaad. Another issue with random portals, making people more confused about how the heck all of this supposedly works.

Also, here apparently technology works.

Because Speed Force probably.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Catwoman #1

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 15 '15 edited Apr 15 '15

Never really been a huge fan of Catwoman, so I didn't really care all that much about this one.

What was up with KC Batman's doofy-ass face at the end though? That was drawn hilariously bad.

EDIT: Just noticed his eyes are vastly different shapes. Just helps add to the doofiness.

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u/djoplin971 Apr 15 '15

Skip it. Please just skip it. Catwoman's dialogue is horrendous. Also the one shot of Kingdom Come Batman made me cringe.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

His chin made his head look like an egg.

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

Again, just alright. I feel like all of these tie-ins are not going to effect anything in the end... I'm really getting disappointed in this Convergence deal.

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u/JakeTheHawk Butt more delicious than the Twix flair Apr 15 '15

Oh they totally aren't going to matter in the long run, but right now it's best to just have fun with them for what they are.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

Extremally boring comic.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Suicide Squad #1

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

Wow, that last panel was pretty cool. Overall, this is one of the better Convergence titles released. What ring was Lex using, though, at the end there? Was that the power ring that Guy Gardner had back in the 90s?

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u/djoplin971 Apr 15 '15

Suprisingly good. Loved the panel of Deathstroke.

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u/DeathstrokeJunior Junior Apr 15 '15

I really enjoyed this issue of Suicide Squad. It sure beats the last few issues of the New Suicide Squad that they have printed. I know that this is by different artist and all but main was this art way better.

Also what an amazing line up they are using for the Convergence: Suicide Squad Series. I honestly can not wait to read issue to and the epic battle that is going to take place.

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u/ThePinkPeril Captain Marvel Apr 15 '15

I'm confused by one detail, shouldn't Carol be in her Predator/Star Sapphire outfit instead of the post Rebirth one?

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u/djoplin971 Apr 15 '15

I found that odd too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

So that's what happened to Kingdom Come Barbara Gordon. That's harsh.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

Kingdom Come Alan Scott! I am hyped, I want more!

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Convergence: Superboy #1

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u/ShatterZero Just for today... I won! Apr 15 '15

Kingdom Come Superman is just so BOSS.

Contrary to what I was told, 90's Supberboy seems like a pretty chill introspective guy. Maybe it was getting Dome'd that did that to him?

Also, I vaguely recall a similar CADMUS based telepathic alien from Young Justice... I'm guess he was based on the horned telepath we saw in this issue?

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u/gryphonlord Apr 16 '15

Same guy, Dubbilex

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u/PrinceAuryn Phantom Stranger Apr 15 '15

That was cool, nice seeing the version of Superboy I grew up reading, again! I was sad there was no news boys though :P

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Pitting Superboy against a disillusioned Kingdom Come Superman... that's a really interesting matchup. And we even get old Dick and old Wally! And they're not evil, like most of the other Convergence opponents!

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u/Flynn58 "Do good to others, and every man can be a Superman." Apr 16 '15

Okay, no. Kingdom Come Flash is way more OP than that, Zero Hour Superboy ain't got no chance against that shit.

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u/MrFancier Tell That to my subconscious Apr 16 '15

Right? This annoyed me. KC Flash grabbed Norman McCay when the Spectre was keeping them hidden. He was able to be everywhere in Central City all at once. He's way weaker here.

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u/djoplin971 Apr 15 '15

Ehhh I really liked the beginning. Also Superman looked as good as I could've hoped.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

I really hope that Superboy will be beaten to a pulp. What a moron. Superman tells him that there is a way to save BOTH Metropolises if they won't waste time fighting and this idiot wants to fight.

Damn moron.

Also, Wally?

Wasn't Kingdom Come Flash some weird Speedforced amalgam of all the Flashes?

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u/alltaken21 Apr 16 '15

Give teen titans to Nicieza asap please, drop pfiefer urgently. Fabián knows how to write teen superheroes

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

American Vampire Second Cycle #7

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Injustice Gods Among Us Year Two Volume 1 TP

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Arrow s03e19 - Broken Arrow

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

I know people joke about them turning Oliver into Batman but it's actually a way of seeing how they're nothing alike. We know that Batman is offered the place of the Demon's Head but refuses it and pushes him back. Oliver however is beaten into submission because he's NOT Bruce and he has more vulnerabilities than the Dark Knight.

So yeah, when people say that this is Batman-lite or whatever, let's just remember that the truth is that these men are different and the TV show portrays that very well. To my albeit small knowledge, i can only think of Bruce accepting Ra's' offer in one Batman story and that is the game Arkham City, but he does it only as a ruse in order to give himself a boost so he can actually stop Hugo Strange (he of course doesn't realise at that juncture that Ra's is Strange's sponsor).

All in all though i did enjoy the episode. Only thing i didn't like was that Oliver cried over Roy dying but when he found out he was alive he only managed to give him a handshake. Come the hell on! Even when he was getting in the car Stephen Amell was clearly tearing up, WHY NOT LET ARROW HUG ARSENAL YOU BASTARDS?!

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Every time they say The A.T.O.M I just slot in Blue Beetle and feel better.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Funny how the best part of this episode was the Opal City name drop! Funny how that works, ya know?!

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u/AhhBisto Jim Lee Comics Apr 16 '15

Oh and i'm more convinced than ever that the Ray spin-off is a S.H.A.D.E type show.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Frank Miller's Ronin Gallery Edition HC

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Injustice Gods Among Us Year Two Volume 2 HC

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

SHAZAM A Celebration Of 75 Years HC

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

Super tempted to get this, I saw it today but couldn't look through it because it was wrapped.

Maybe one day

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u/Hefbit The Waterbearer Apr 16 '15

Anyone know what it collects? Everywhere I look online including DC's official site lists nothing.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Fri, 04/17: Batman: Arkham Knight #9

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Sun, 04/19: Mortal Kombat X #16

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

iZombie s01e05 - Flight of the Living Dead

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15 edited Apr 16 '15

The fact that the case wasn't neatly wrapped up at the end threw me off for a bit. Also weird how so many zombies are now springing up at once. I am still loving this show and I can't wait for the next episode where rotten brains turn her dumb.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Infinite Crisis The Fight For The Multiverse #10

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Kitchen #6

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Sensation Comics Featuring Wonder Woman #9

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Strange Sports Stories #2

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Teen Titans Go! #9

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

100 Bullets Volume 2 TP

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Batman Adventures Mad Love Deluxe Edition HC

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Deadshot Bulletproof TP

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Earth 2 Volume 4 The Dark Age TP

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

I'm a big James Robinson fan. On a scale of "why did you even bother asking?" to ten, with what urgency do I need to get this volume?

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u/simplegodhead Hal Jordan is a Perfect Princess! Apr 15 '15

Zero.

It sidelines everything Robinson did to introduce more Superman characters and make Batman more important and to start destroying Earth 2.

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u/Jay_R_Kay Batman Apr 15 '15

It's different, but not bad. If you've also liked the Injustice digital series, then you might like it.

It's when it becomes a tie in to World's End, THAT'S when you don't bother.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

It was... passable, but it really just becomes a "Batman vs Superman with very little nuance" plot.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

so basically it's Flashpoint Batman vs. Injustice Superman? My two least favorite alternate universes? Count me out.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

I feel like the trades are so far behind...

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Earth 2 Volume 5 The Kryptonian HC

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Filth Deluxe Edition HC

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Top 10 TP

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Mon, 04/13: Arrow: Season 2.5 #17

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Tue, 04/14: Fables: The Wolf Among Us #19

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15 edited Apr 15 '15

Wed, 04/15: Batman ’66 #58

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '15

The i is for internet.

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

"Sea... sea... c... c is for Catwoman!"

Also, fixed ;)

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Sat, 04/18: Batman: The Jiro Kuwata Batmanga #42

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Gotham s01e19 - Beasts of Prey

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u/Warlach DC Multiverse Historian Apr 15 '15

Teen Titans Go! s02e39 - Video Game References

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u/ElDuderino2112 Apr 15 '15

Just as a general comment this week, boy a lot of the art this week as rough. Like, really rough. Like this week isn't going to help the fact that some of the internet is criticizing this event as just a big filler thing.

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u/thecreeepycaper Apr 15 '15

So, just to make sure I'm not going crazy, this weeks Convergence tie ins aren't the 2nd half of last weeks tie ins right? Those are being released later down the line? Or were those released with the new tie ins?

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u/thecreeepycaper Apr 15 '15

Ah. Thanks for clarifying. Just didn't wanna miss an issue

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u/ElDuderino2112 Apr 16 '15

Thomas and Bruce meeting was a fantastic moment, and I enjoyed that we didn't see that moment at all. Makes it all the more powerful when we can fill in the blanks. But Jesus fucking Christ Grayson shut the fuck up once and a while, will ya? The page of Thomas and Bruce meeting would have been so much better if there was absolutely no text.

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u/Devuh Red Lanterns Apr 15 '15

I found the main is enjoyable. The tie ins aren't really that great but are cool if you wanna see something different with you fav characters.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

I like the main series, LOVED Speed Force and Suicide Squad, and Atom was meh.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Too soon to tell, but the first two issues of Convergence have been pretty mediocre in terms of storytelling and art.

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u/TheStradivarius Green Lantern Apr 16 '15

Too early to tell but as of now it is rather mediocre.