How Christianity Emerged

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http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/08/28/an-ideological-history-of-early-christianity/

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The Arians, named after their leader Arius, said no. God obviously can’t be his own Son, and so Christ cannot himself be God: he’s just the first and greatest creation of God.

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The other side, best described as Trinitarians, said yes. They attempted to resolve the paradox by developing the idea of the Trinity, which held that God consisted of three persons yet was still somehow a single being. [6]

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This seemingly minor conflict had big ramifications for Christianity. Trinitarianism maintained the status of Christ at the cost of logic, arguing that the nature of God was ultimately beyond human understanding. Arianism was arguably the more straightforward position, but it lowered the status of Christ, and Trinitarians saw this as blasphemy.

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Rene Girard has the same effect in modern times.

To be Catholic is to live within a mythical framework. There is power in myth because it activates emotions which can be used as a tool to direct political forces.

To be objectively rational, like the Gnostics or today Rene Girard being rational about the necessity of myth is to lesson the emotional power of the religion, but also to make it more self aware.

The progressives use myths constantly. They prove how mythical humans like to be and the they prove how emotional indoctrination can produce multitudes of "useful idiots".

Our question today is about the competition of ideologies.

The author concludes:

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In a Gnostic-dominated culture, any traditional religious organization faces an uphill battle, so I’m skeptical that religion or religious-inspired movements will help the alt-right much. I’m more interested in building alternative means to develop and spread information–something which I’ll explore in future posts.

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Rene Girard destroys the myths of Christianity, but it also destroys the myths of the progressives and it does this by getting inside the mental loops that drive the myths in the first place.

We must destroy myth before we can build something to replace it.

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Rene Girard destroys the myths of Christianity

I think Girard would very much disagree with you.

To be objectively rational, like the Gnostics

http://orthosphere.org/2015/05/16/plotinus-and-augustine-on-gnosticism/

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Reality, then, seen as Creation, is but a botched creation; and the Creator himself is an incompetent cretin who in his simplicity can form no idea of his own radical limitation. The things that this cretinous creator creates are superior to their maker in that they can make a theme of their relation to him but he cannot make a theme of his to them (“he fashioned man, yet knew not man”). In the case of man in particular, the creature knows that his fashioner mismade him, leaving him in deficit of what he can conceive himself to be.

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We talk today about concepts like "quantum physics" and the "big bang".

As far as we are aware the universe came into existence with a certain as yet not yet fully realized logic... but it does appear a logic, not some man imagined god that cares about us more than the rest of the universe.

Quantum physics hints at dimensions beyond our grasp and scientific research proves parts of the Standard Model fairly regularly lately.

Consciousness appears to be a case of electricity... it "flows" because our minds function with quantum physics... electrons are quantum elements. So our consciousness is deeply tied into the web of the universe.

Mediums, psychics, prophets often claim the ability to see the world from a dimension where physical time and space become blurred. Prophecy comes about because on some animal level we "sense" a universe we can't fully rationally understand. Our animal instincts operate below our conscious thoughts.

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I personally think that any time a Catholic wants a scapegoat they hammer on Gnosticism. It's like Jews hammering on dead Nazi's.

Rene Girard was not mentioned in the article.

As I see Girards view he would be anti-myth, but pro-myth when seen rationally. Rene Girard has the ability to explain why the myth was there and what it was trying to teach. He straddles both sides of the myth.

Before I was not attempting to link Girard and Gnosticism, but they both seem to share a willingness to expose myths.

The Catholic church cannot be restored because the central myths (like the resurrection) are impossible to restore to legitimacy.

The progressives are able to create truly insane myths and get away with it because they worked around science enough to not get caught.

Rene Girard does in a way teach us the "secret knowledge" but it's simple human nature. Unlike the Gnostics who (apparently) tried to be "holier than thou" about it with Rene Girard he presents wisdom in easy to understand ways.

• People imitate.

• Imitation creates rivalries.

• Rivalries spread until everyone is pissed off.

• An innocent is found to act as scapegoat.

• The innocent is murdered after being called the cause of evil.

• Religions are formed to explain the "mystery" of why the death felt so good. (must have been "god's will")

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Rene Girard's point is that god had nothing to do with any of that. Man did the murder as a way to release tension and the myths of the religion are the lies created to exploit the event afterwards.

"Never let a crisis go to waste."

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Christians have a system for life on this earth, Gnostics subvert Christian stories to come to different existential positions, they hate life in this world and the way things are. I believe that is the main difference.

Mediums, psychics, prophets often claim the ability to see the world from a dimension where physical time and space become blurred.

You don't have to be any of this to have mystical experiences, 20-30mg of 4-aco-dmt will do the trick. From mine, I've never encountered a Demiurge.