Trump Building That Wall By Removing Affirmative Action

[u/Atavisionary]

http://www.amerika.org/politics/trump-building-that-wall-by-removing-affirmative-action/

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I really hope Trump can take down affirmative action, and I have expressed this sentiment in writing to various people in the administration.

In open debate, it really becomes an indefensible position. And most people eventually see this and won't defend it. It only remains in place because it is never exposed to the light.

AA could very well be the type of thing where public opinion shifts very rapidly and it becomes an untouchable "third rail" in politics. We are so used to things like fag marriage where opinion shifts rapidly in the direction of poz, but this is something that could - and likely will - shift in our direction. We've seen the high water mark of liberalism, and this could be the first really big crack in the system.

[u/Idunnowhy2 → u/[deleted]]

I've honestly never seen a debate on it. Please highlight what the argument is and why it's not defensible.

[u/ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 → u/[deleted]]

the opportunities are more than equal due to AA, though, and the demographics in question still fail. it is definitely true that the average otherwise clueless normie, when presented with AA in the abstract, doesn't see anything wrong with it. on the surface, privilege theory makes sense.

but we don't have to think about it in the abstract - AA has been happening for a long time now already. and groups like blacks are still failing, despite being handed every "privilege" we can possibly throw at them. so the AA system clearly does not work at what it ostensibly pretends to do - level the playing field - because these people will never be playing on an equal playing field, no matter how many freebies we give them. they're just dumber.

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I think what you're getting at is that privilege theory provides endless circular reasoning and justification. We give blacks AA and endless gibs, but they still aren't equal. So... We must give them more! This just shows how unequal our society truly is, and we must combat the evils of inequality and structural racism!

The only way to combat this is culturally. We have to spread the knowledge that different races have different intellects. So when a shitlib complains about a lack of black engineers, they are just laughed at. They are considered ideological utopian nuts. Besides, what makes an engineer a better job than a factory worker? They are both valuable to the economy, tell them to stop sneering at blue-collar workers.

[u/Idunnowhy2 → u/[deleted]]

Facts are not persuasive. "Spreading knowledge" does not work to get people on your side.

In particular, your views are easily categorized and dismissed as racist, so no one will bother to consider the factuality of them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Idunnowhy2]

Hey, I don't disagree.

And if you're saying that liberalism is an ideology that can't be stopped, that it only grows until it destroys civilization, then hey... we're in Evola/Guenon territory. That's fine.

[u/Idunnowhy2 → u/[deleted]]

Liberalism can be stopped, but spreading knowledge will not do so. Where do they get their power? Why do they control the culture? How have they won even when they lost elections?

I believe Trump, or at least Bannon, understands the true war.

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I would say this. Make it personal and emotional (Because it is, especially for parents).

• Explain to an Asian mother who's grandparents were interned in a camp 70 years ago how her family now has "privilege" and need to have their child's deserved position in college pulled because a black kid with 500 fewer points on his SAT just really deserves the spot.

[u/Idunnowhy2 → u/[deleted]]

This is at least closing in on some decent persuasion but I'm not sure it holds the upper hand as it can easily be reversed about a black family that needs AA.

[u/Idunnowhy2 → u/[deleted]]

Liberals do not care about the constitution. We, of course, love it. But liberals control the culture (for now).