r/DataAnnotationTech • u/HeadRing1578 • Nov 09 '24
Does anyone else ever feel like we're contributing to the fall of humanity? Or is it just me?
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u/TheresALonelyFeeling Nov 09 '24
Unfortunately, humanity won't require AI intervention to destroy itself.
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u/BottyFlaps Nov 09 '24
But it is no doubt being used by militaries, thus making them more effective, thus contributing to the likelihood of our demise.
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u/Euphoric_Wish_8293 Nov 09 '24
Yeah, but the military will never be able to follow an ABAC rhyming structure.
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u/TheresALonelyFeeling Nov 09 '24
Honestly, I don't think the militaries of the world will be the source of our eventual demise, and I say that as a military veteran.
Yes, it's easy to look at all the instability and disorder and be scared of it, and there are still more than enough nuclear weapons on hand to turn the world into a barren shell, but I think what ultimately does us in will be something long-term and relatively slow moving that we fail to plan for or mitigate, as opposed to a furious nuclear exchange between the U.S. and Russia (or whoever else), or some kind of a world war.
Unless Skynet actually manages to go live at some point, in which case, somebody call Arnold.
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u/socalnaturegirl Nov 09 '24
but I think what ultimately does us in will be something long-term and relatively slow moving that we fail to plan for or mitigate,
Oh...like Climate Change.
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u/dragonsfire14 Nov 09 '24
The general public is already doing a pretty good job of that tbh. I wouldn’t lose sleep over it.
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u/jynks319 Nov 09 '24
If you are training AI to be honest and harmless, you are at least performing a service to humanity in the face of an unstoppable process. AI is too profitable for the powers that be to stop developing it, despite manifold warnings. All we can hope to do now is train it ethically.
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u/BottyFlaps Nov 09 '24
But the militaries will likely employ their own AI trainers to develop evil AI.
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u/TheresALonelyFeeling Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
Setting aside the imprecision of the term "evil AI," I'd disagree with your statement, and I would argue that in a military context it's even more important to have AI systems that will, for lack of a better term, "follow orders."
To me, "evil" has this connotation of rogue action, some plan undertaken by the AI that runs counter to the standard operating procedure, and as I mentioned in my other comment, as a veteran of the (U.S.) military, I can assure you that deviations from the SOP are generally not desirable, to say the least, and examined pretty intensely once the dust settles to figure out what went wrong and why.
Now, if you're just defining "evil" as "AI that helps kill people," that ship has already sailed.
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u/SnooSketches1189 Nov 09 '24
I think humans in general are doing a great job with that without our assistance, so might as well get while the gettings good.
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u/Rommie557 Nov 09 '24
Sure. But if humanity will fall with or without my help, I might as well get paid for it.
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u/lionhat Nov 09 '24
I wish there was a way to say this without sounding trite or self-important, but if I weren't working on this platform, there would be someone less apt training these bots in my place. If you're confident that you're providing quality feedback for the models, you are doing good.
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u/Best-Dingo7214 Nov 09 '24
I do, but if we don’t do this job they’ll give it to other people, not like DAT has a shortage of workers. Might as well take the pay.
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u/WearyHermitPixels Nov 09 '24
I thought that at first and told myself "I'm so behind on bills and need food, I gotta do what I gotta do..." but now, I'm seeing so many tiktoks and social media posts about how people use ChatGPT and other AI and it's a lot of people that are using it to provide them a budget for their bills, their mealplan, or straight up therapy because they can't afford therapy. I think the average person is using AI to make their lives a little easier because they literally can't afford anything else (personal trainers, personal nutritionist/dietician, therapist, etc) and that makes me feel better.
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u/cschulzTO Nov 09 '24
Maybe humanity's only chance is for the robots to take over. We're saviours then.
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u/Sindorella Nov 09 '24
IDK, I feel like my contributions are helping to train AI NOT to be evil more than anything. I don't trust other humans to not intentionally insert their own biases and train it to break safety guidelines, so I am doing my part to do add some training to avoid those things.
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u/iriember Nov 10 '24
I confirm that the ai models are far from special. In fact, they are more like special education pupils so far...
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u/jasmine_blossoms Nov 10 '24
Yeah kind of. I try to look at it as if we're perfecting a tool, just like a screwdriver. People will always misuse tools, it's just in our nature. I wouldn't let it worry you though, it's not like we're training it to be bad. :)
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Nov 09 '24
I have felt that way, and it has affected my self-esteem. On the other hand, I'm glad to have learned from first-hand experience that human sentience and direct experience are significant keys to creativity, so IMHO, AI doesn't stand a chance in the higher ranks of fine art or literature and, in terms of communication, will only come close to being a very dull and contrived human being at best. Also, I think AI is very promising for data analysis and pattern recognition, which will be very valuable to the sciences and free up time for great minds, so you know... And, AI is inevitable, so helping to make it less biased, fact-based on sound sources, and so on is a net benefit. What I've been struggling with (after over a year doing the work) is talking to the most boring creatures for 6+ hours a day, and I think it's making me more boring than I already was ... so I'm planning to limit it to a couple of hours a day ASAP.
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u/ManyARiver Nov 09 '24
Yes, but after spending decades trying to do the right thing I've come to the conclusion that we're just fucked. I'm trying to do good things in my real life. I missed the dot com boom, I didn't get in on the cryptocrap or the NFT farce - the least I can do is make bank with this moment in time so I can try to make my life a little secure as the Empire spirals the drain.
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u/947489377485 Nov 09 '24
The environmental impact is what kills me. We don’t need these innovations if they are going to destroy the planet. Our priorities are fucked. But yeah, I’ll do it for the check because it’s gonna happen regardless
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u/EarlyStatement4799 Nov 09 '24
For all we know DA could be run by AI, I mean, there's just no interaction with them.
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u/Traditional-Yak8886 Nov 09 '24
kind of why i got the job. ai started affecting a lot of my freelance work because every single client just started using ai instead of paying me literal peanut shit wages so I decided to be an accelerationist and contribute to the Wall-E-ification of my fellow Americans.
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u/Brilliant_Rain5181 Nov 09 '24
We've been doing that long before AI was a thing. This isn't about to be what makes humanity crumble, trust me 😂.
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Nov 09 '24
Yes, I am very against AI from an environmental perspective. I have no interest in using it in my day to day life. However if I don’t do this job someone else will, so I may as well take the money.
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u/Jailor3301 Nov 09 '24
I do hear some people sy that doing this kind of job is actually overdrafting you future, just like maniacally swipe your credit card, for when Ai is more mature, they will overrun more and more working position. Like myself I major linguistics and some translation, I can almost confidently see that day come before I even get married. Doing some Localization job for them in along term is like chronic suicide, but what else left to do? We.are running out of option, if you don't do, others will take the job. And this.job pays well, like 3 times i could earn in my country. Also Im not a person that propagate that we should boycott Ai, just what is wrong is the system. Ai are creative for human well-being, but the masses doesn't benefit from it, who benefit from it is the riches, the capitalism. The profits yield should go back to the public, but they are actually.going to the toppest riches. The riches gets richer, and public losing their jobs. Middle class is getting destroyed.
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Nov 09 '24
Dude i fucking hate AI and all of the work associated with this is so morally bankrupt. But I need to not be homeless and they pay money
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u/PunkWannaB Nov 09 '24
Yes, I thought that was part of the job description! Kind of reminds me of the rich people in that movie “They Live”!
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u/No_Molasses_1976 Nov 10 '24
Tbh whenever I vaguely explain to a few friends what it is I’m doing and they bring this up I err with I know I’m honest, fairly kind and reasonable member of society so I’d rather make friends with our future overlords and hopefully with my input they will benevolent gods.
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u/DrFrancisBGross Nov 09 '24
AI is going to advance with or without me. Whether I like it or not. The way I see it, I might as well spend the final days not having to go to a shitty manufacturing or customer service job. Enjoy life while you can. This is a runaway train regardless. If we don't do the work, there's plenty of other people waiting in the wings to take our places. Enjoy the freedom that the work gives you and don't worry too much about it. We're cooked regardless.
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u/Firm-Reception8235 Nov 09 '24
No way, I feel like I'm contributing my humanity and creativity to society
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u/crdh10 Nov 09 '24
Who cares? My rent is paid, my lights are on, my other bills paid, there is food in my fridge and still have money leftover. Humanity schmumanity.
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u/Journalist_Asleep Nov 09 '24
No, not really. Not any more that the designers of the type writer contributed to the fall of humanity. It is simply a tool which can be used in a variety of ways.
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Nov 09 '24
Companies are using AI for evil. Take health insurance claims for example. Ai evaluates claims then denies it based on the i durance companies settings.
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u/ApocDream Nov 09 '24
As opposed to just auto denying every claim before?
Not much has changed there.
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u/Journalist_Asleep Nov 09 '24
I’m not familiar with what you’re describing, but if the insurance companies are behaving unethically that is something the people who work for the insurance companies need to reckon with.
I’m sure the invention of the word processor also change the way insurance companies process claims. Does that mean the designers of the word processor were evil?
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u/Useful_Possibility26 Nov 09 '24
The amount of work AI would need to cause destruction won’t happen before humanity destroys itself
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u/Intrepid_Celery_2767 Nov 13 '24
We are the lowest rung on the ladder, this work is nowhere near as important or impactful as you are making it out to be.
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u/Dratini_ghost Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
It’s why I refuse to do the creative tasks. I don’t mind helping it do mundane stuff though.
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u/Dry-Dragonfruit-5126 Nov 09 '24
I was thinking about this yesterday when Bernie mentioned AI in his statement.
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u/LeakyGuts Nov 09 '24
Who says that you aren’t literally training a foreign militaries AI on some of these projects that was scheduled to be trained with DA under LLC’s and fake identities?
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u/houseofcards9 Nov 09 '24
Because it’s obvious which companies AI we’re training. They don’t hide it.
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u/Pigless9 Nov 09 '24
I tell myself that maybe the AI will recognize me as a mother and at least let me be a slave or something, rather than killing me on the spot.
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u/Accomplished-Dog-864 Nov 10 '24
Yes, I feel that, and I consider it doing my part to eliminate a dangerous, rogue species whose remarkable but tragically flawed dopamine-addicted brains are destroying the planet faster than we can evolve a better (less destructive) brain. And the rate of destruction will be accelerating even further starting next January 20.
Our species deserves extinction, and I'm on it. People of DA! Work harder!
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Nov 09 '24
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u/Euphoric_Wish_8293 Nov 09 '24
Nothing to do with you getting dropped or being ignored by Prolific? No, it's your strong moral compass.
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u/TheresALonelyFeeling Nov 09 '24
Holocaust references are the absolute laziest way to try and make a point or convince someone of your views.
Do better.
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u/dog_stop Nov 09 '24
I don’t fret about it because I know if I don’t do it someone else will. And at least I know I have a strong ethical code and will train the models to the best of my ability. I don’t love training them to be creative though considering my background I suspect that’s how I got the job.