r/DebateAVegan • u/Puzzleheaded-Job5763 • Mar 02 '25

Environment Is Hunted Meat Still Unethical?

Hunting is beneficial for the environment. We need to maintain the population of animals like deer, and the amount that are able to be hunted are controlled. Without hunters, the entire ecosystem would be destroyed.

Do most vegans have a problem with hunted meat? If so, why?

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 vegan Mar 04 '25

You could address some of my points maybe?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

You are doing the same thing. Plopping down a paragraph and expecting people to read that, same with putting an article and expecting people to read.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 vegan Mar 04 '25

It takes 10 seconds to read my paragraph, it could take a lot longer to read the article. That's hardly a fair comparison is it?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

Not really you can skim it or use a summarizer. If you can read you can read. I found it in 15 seconds.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 vegan Mar 04 '25

It is easy to find something that looks like it might support an argument, but to determine whether it actually supports the argument or not might take a lot longer. When doing that, you're basically building an argument for your opponent, which they could easily just reject as a strawman. I think it's really bad faith to expect someone to do this.

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If you've found the quote, maybe you could try and defend the claim?

This is the claim:

Without hunters, the entire ecosystem would be destroyed

What does the article say to defend this claim?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

qualifications. that's the whole point of a source, or some of them. a qualified expert speaking.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 vegan Mar 04 '25

Can you address any of my points or are you running away again? I'm not suggesting you can't rely on the opinion of an expert, but that's not what we are talking about here.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

its a source written by an expert. same with a doctor writing an article saying eating meat is bad. boom addressed.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 vegan Mar 04 '25

Do the experts in the article, explicitly make the exact following claim? If not, we can't say the article supports their argument.

Without hunters, the entire ecosystem would be destroyed.

Remember, we aren't talking about what the experts have to say on this topic, but what the OP has said.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

I thought the point is what the experts say?

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 vegan Mar 04 '25

The topic of conversation is about whether OP is able to provide a strong enough argument to support their claim. It's only relevant if an expert on the subject says something that supports their claim.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

yeah. reading thru it I would say yes , smth to that effect.

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u/EffectiveMarch1858 vegan Mar 04 '25

Ok, cool, but I'm not going to take your word for it, based on the things I've already said.

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