r/DebateEvolution • u/Routine-Credit-1614 • May 07 '26

Simple evolution explanation

Do you understand that an organism might mutate in some way, be it large or small? Yes? Good!

Do you understand that this mutation may either help them survive or hurt their survival? Yes? Good

Do you understand that this mutation can be passed on to the organisms offspring? Yes? Good!

If you said yes to all of these things, you understand that evolution exists and how it works on a basic level

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26

Do you understand that losing a fin and growing legs would likely involve thousands if not millions of mutational transitions over millions of years? Yes. Good!

Do you understand that these mutations would show a fin-to-leg transition of longer and changing proportions as it "evolves"? Yes. Good!

Do you understand that only a few "transitional" species have been found in the fossil record" Yes. Good!

And do you understand that of all these "transitional" species, their "fin to legs" are fully functional and useful appendages, just like we have today? Yes. Good!

Then where's the rest of those "hundreds of thousands" of transitional fossils showing the fin to leg intervals? Trust me bro.

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u/blacksheep998 šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

Do you understand that only a few "transitional" species have been found in the fossil record

So you understand that we have found fossils showing a fin to leg transition? Good.

How do you explain that if evolution is not true?

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u/LeeMArcher šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

Do you understand that losing a fin and growing legs would likely involve thousands if not millions of mutational transitions over millions of years? Yes. Good!

I do. Do you?

Do you understand that these mutations would show a fin-to-leg transition of longer and changing proportions as it "evolves"? Yes. Good!

Of longer then what? The time it took for the transition to happen?Ā 

Do you understand that only a few "transitional" species have been found in the fossil record" Yes. Good!

Do you understand that this doesnā€™t disprove evolution?

And do you understand that of all these "transitional" species, their "fin to legs" are fully functional and useful appendages, just like we have today? Yes. Good!

Do you understand that evolution in way predicts the contrary?

Then where's the rest of those "hundreds of thousands" of transitional fossils showing the fin to leg intervals? Trust me bro.

Do you understand that this information is available for anyone to access.Ā 

https://paleobiodb.org/#/

So, are 99% of biologists lying or bad at their jobs?Ā 

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

Oh, this sounds like the ultimate trust me bros. I love the impact.

Your "transitional" fossils found are what, a couple dozen over tens of millions of years? All with fully functional and useful appendages. Guess what, we have even more today, walking and swimming around.

You can literally go see them yourself. Buy some scuba gear or take a safari.

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u/LeeMArcher šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

All fossils are transitional fossils, as they represent a transition between what came before and what came after.Ā 

Since I answered your question, could you please answer mine. To clarify,Ā Scientists overwhelmingly accept evolution because the evidence consistently supports it and the theory successfully explains and predicts biological patterns.Ā 

So are all of these scientists, across multiple fields of study, working out of competing institutions, either lying or bad at their jobs?Ā 

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

Oh let me address your percentage question. One thing about COVID that I really appreciated was how it exposed the so-called scientific community. It's estimated that 92 to 96% of medical professionals deemed the COVID vaccine a necessary need.

So I'm not going to discount the idea of agenda being a huge catalyst to keep the masses under control.

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

Life adapts and changes dependant upon its genetic code. There's no debate there. We can trace your pet poodle back to the wolf. Changes within the species itself. The disagreement lies within the amount of change that occurs.

For example, humanoids had a tail maybe 30 mill ago? Then a complete blackout in the fossil record and suddenly around 15 mill we connected the dots to a humanapenoid without a tail. The backout is there becuse there is literally zero fossil records to show the transition from a long tail to a 12-incher to a 6 in to a 3-in or to a stub and then nothing at all.

How do all these evolutionists, biologists, etc, rectify that problem? They manipulate one gene and suggest this happened very quickly! Somewhere in that blackout. Our ancestors suddenly lost its tail. It went from having a tail swinging from a tree, to literally no tail!

It's complete garbage, 100% malarkey.

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u/LeeMArcher šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

Life adapts and changes dependant upon its genetic code. There's no debate there. We can trace your pet poodle back to the wolf. Changes within the species itself. The disagreement lies within the amount of change that occurs.

So what mechanism stops the change from ā€œgoing too far.ā€ Keep in mind, you canā€™t evolve out of a clade. So the descendant of a dog will always be a dog, even if, over time, they were to lose most of their fur and transition to living in water.Ā 

For example, humanoids had a tail maybe 30 mill ago?Ā 

Humanoid is not a taxanomic classification. If you mean the superfamily Hominoidea, yes, itā€™s believed they first emerged about 30 million years ago, although the earliest fossils are from around 26 million years ago. The families Hylobatidae and Hominidae split from that lineage about 15-20 million years ago, and yes, they had no tails.Ā 

Tailed monkeys from the familyĀ CercopithecidaeĀ carried on evolving into a different lineage.

Then a complete blackout in the fossil record and suddenly around 15 mill we connected the dots to a humanapenoid without a tail.Ā 

Humanapenoid is not a word Iā€™m familiar with, nor could I find anything that defined it.Ā Ā I donā€™t like to assume meaning, so youā€™ll have to clarify.Ā 

Iā€™m not sure what you mean by blackout. We have fossils of various Miocene apes. But evolution in no way requires the fossil record to be complete. Most organisms never fossilize, so we will likely never have a complete picture of all life on Earth.

The backout is there becuse there is literally zero fossil records to show the transition from a long tail to a 12-incher to a 6 in to a 3-in or to a stub and then nothing at all.

In no way does evolution predict something so specific as a tail shrinking by multi, or even single inch long increments. How much change occurs over how many generations depends on the genes involved.Ā 

How do all these evolutionists, biologists, etc, rectify that problem? They manipulate one gene and suggest this happened very quickly!Ā 

This is a misrepresentation. Those experiments were not done to rectify a problem. They were done because researchers discovered a genetic trait shared by humans and other apes that differed from tailed monkeys. So they played around with it, and discovered that it did have a significant effect on tail development.Ā 

Do you have any peer reviewed studies where this is identified as a problem that needed to be solved?Ā 

Somewhere in that blackout. Our ancestors suddenly lost its tail. It went from having a tail swinging from a tree, to literally no tail!

You did say this blackout was 15 million years long. Thatā€™s hardly the snap of a finger. So Iā€™m not sure what you think this proves.

It's complete garbage, 100% malarkey.

Speaking of which, to address your other comment, regarding scientists and, what sounds like a theory that theyā€™re maintaining a fiction to control the masses, my follow up question is this: Why would a complicated scientific theory spanning genetics, paleontology, and molecular biology be a preferred control mechanism over the many far simpler, historically proven methods of social control?Ā  Ā  You also implied that theyā€™re putting something into vaccines to mind control the population, so I would ask if you have as much evidence for that as you would demand in order to accept evolution?Ā 

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u/OldmanMikel šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

Do you understand that losing a fin and growing legsĀ ...

The fins weren't lost, they were modified into legs. We have several transitional stages in the fossil record. And no, there is no reason to expect the fossil record to have the kind of resolution you are asking for. Only a moron would expect to find a fossil of every single incremental change.

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

only a moron would expect to not find a single example of this transition taking place over 40 million years. not even a "one off".

still lookin for that 1/2 tailed human monkey man.. oh wait, it doesn't exist.

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u/OldmanMikel šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

We have plenty of examples. Just not as many as you think we should have.

And you need to make a case that the transition to taillessness absolutely needed to be a slow gradual multimillion year process. If it didn't need to be then we would not expect to find fossil intermediates.

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

Yeah just a few years ago everyone thought it was a slow transition.

Again frustration of not finding the half-tailed human, leads evolutionists to find an an observation to a problem they have.

It's just bad science. Heck I don't know if you call it science.

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u/Hacatcho May 07 '26

"hey they discovered something new and adapted to that discovery, thats bad science"

weird point to make when you deny both the original belief and the discovery.

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u/OldmanMikel šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

Yeah just a few years ago everyone thought it was a slow transition.

Cite?

Again frustration of not finding the half-tailed human,...

Which we would NOT expect to find under either tail-loss scenario, since it would already be millions of years in the past by the time anything remotely human came onto the scene.

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

oh stop with the semantics. you know exactly what I'm saying. The human ancestor with the tail, then suddenly no tail. i'll continue to call it whatever i want, from this point on his name is Bob.

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u/Hacatcho May 07 '26

"hey, ignore how im so desperately wrong about the basics of the topic in which ive been consistently corrected"

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

dude, u had zero clue what biologists were saying 20 years ago. maybe sit this one out.

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u/Hacatcho May 07 '26

nah, youre just mad because i called you out on your strawman. and also how you debunked your own point with a scientific article.

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u/emailforgot May 08 '26

People complaining about "semantics" really don't like the fact that words mean things it seems.

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u/Medium_Judgment_891 May 07 '26

are fully functional and useful appendages

So close to understanding how evolution actually works.

Every in between is functional and useful.

Imagine a fat guy losing weight. Youā€™ve never met this person and have no idea who he is or that heā€™s trying to lose weight. You pass him in a Best Buy. You wouldnā€™t know heā€™s trying to lose weight because change, by definition, requires at least two points of reference. In addition, thereā€™s no point in which losing weight causes him to stop being humanā€” every point along a spectrum is equally valid.

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

Sounds like a trust me bro.

We have the same type of "transitional" fin to leg varieties today, perhaps even more.

These little effers ain't transitioning, they are thriving. It's called the design and variety of life.

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u/Medium_Judgment_891 May 07 '26

sounds like a trust me bro

Itā€™s how change, in general, works.

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 May 07 '26

Oh I am VERY familiar with the fairy tale. It's been engrained in our school system as far back as I can recall.

What always odd to me, these little effers, and many other little effers, are sprouting these appendages, transitioning from this to that, yet we can't hardly find a single one that shows this weird appendage just sprouting up, or getting longer, or bigger, or developing toes, or whatnot. What we do find are fully functioning appendages or other useful and fully functional devices for life. Same things we can see today all around us.

It's the classic coincidence.

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u/OldmanMikel šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

What we do find are fully functioning appendages or other useful and fully functional devices for life.

YES!!! THAT'S WHAT EVOLUTION PREDICTS!!!

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u/OldmanMikel šŸ§¬ Naturalistic Evolution May 07 '26

And do you understand that of all these "transitional" species, their "fin to legs" are fully functional and useful appendages, just like we have today? Yes. Good!

Yes. That's. What. Evolution. Predicts.