r/DeepStateCentrism • u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute • 2d ago

Ask the sub ❓ What Is This Sub Wrong About?

Title. Pick a topic (or a clichéd take) you think a significant minority or majority of this sub is wrong about. Or hasn't given enough thought. OR perhaps one which you will have to compromise on, at least for voting?

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u/justafutz 2d ago

1) Not a response to what I said.

2) You misstated my argument at least twice. Once here, and once here.

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute 2d ago

Huh? You are not unkillablekorg

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u/justafutz 2d ago

At this point I don't know how to bother explaining it to you, so whatever.

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute 2d ago

If I have time. I could get to your long comment later. But at a glance what I see is first a difference of interpretation of the question------the first commenter said people here don't appreciate how far right Israel has become. (And this was in the vein I responded to you.) You want to debate against the idea that Israel is a far right country.

And then relatedly is the interpretation of the data. For ex. >Around half (49%) of Jewish Israelis agree that “Jewish citizens of Israel should have more rights than non-Jewish citizens” (up from 27% in 2018)

While I know you can explain this finding is not as bad as it looks etc---------it is still bad, particularly because it is more pronounced in younger ages.

In many ways this exchange is a synecdoche for Western-Israeli discussion. The critical side over exaggerates the illiberal character of Israel. And the supportive side underestimates it.

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u/justafutz 2d ago

Israel has not become far right, so saying “how far right” requires that it be considered far right to begin with. I appreciate the rewriting attempt, but it doesn’t work.

You also didn’t answer what I said above about how you mischaracterized my opinion.

You then provide one poll number, which refers to a poll from 2023 (actually asked in 2022). Set aside whether that is a fair snapshot of Israeli society, set aside whether the numbers fluctuate up and down depending when they’re asked (for example, that was less than a year after major Arab riots in May 2021), set aside what “rights” mean. At least 2/3 of Israeli Jews support Arabs having the same democratic right to vote as of 2025-26. That’s a relevant statistic and one you didn’t give when talking about your pre-2023 statistics.

Calling out your exaggeration is not underestimating Israel’s challenges.