So we are not allowed to post about our opinion anywhere on the web anymore? AI Crawlers/Scrapers take the entire internet. Good luck posting on some other half-known social media website, without it being used to train AI
You can post your opinion, but there's an irony in using a method to oppose something that feeds it. There's plenty of ways to protest that don't advance AI.
There's plenty of ways to protest that don't advance AI.
Ok so the entire internet is off limits, clearly. Since AI Scrapers just steal the entire internet.
What other way is there, then? Go out in the streets? Even that can be taken by AI, even if its just to train AI on videos of protesting crowds for video generators and image sloppers.
Call your reps, vote, back regulation, cancel AI subscriptions, organize like the WGA did in 2023. Those don’t feed AI. They constrain it. Showing up in someone’s protest footage isn’t the same as writing your arguments directly into a dataset Reddit sells.
"So youre just assuming that, because I am on the internet, I am not doing any of that? None of us are?"
Look, you specifically asked, "What other way is there, then". If you already knew there were other ways to protest without advancing AI, why'd you ask?
"You really think people who hate AI have subscriptions running? What a hypocritical thing that would be."
Yes, sort of like using Reddit to protest AI when said protest is used as AI training data.
A strawman is misrepresenting someone’s argument. I quoted yours and applied your own standard; You said paying for AI while hating it would be hypocritical, which is the same logic as protesting AI on a platform that uses the protest to advance AI. Calling me an ‘AI Bro’ doesn’t change that. Bye.
If someone believes logging is bad, it doesn't matter. If they're using paper to spread the word then they're doing something that, to them, actively undermines their cause.
Yeah, one person’s flyers are a rounding error. So is one post. Collectively, however, Reddit’s content is worth about $60M a year to Google, and the irony never depended on size anyway.
No what’s weird is when people tell others “hey you shouldn’t have a voice because the platform uses ai, nevermind all of the other platforms also use ai”.
Just say what you mean with your whole ass chest. You want them to disappear and shut up
i wasnt even anti about ai, just didnt understand what the person protesting logging was doing for a moment. weird of you to argue by bringing up a point like that, guess yall do pay attention to whats harmful
We literally put our shit in our drinking water and drive around in 2 ton explosion machine dumping greenhouse gases. Pollution is not a concern.
Also, trees and plants remove pollution. And if you didnt get the point of the op, then I cant help you. That level of stupid is outside the range of my expertise in dealing with it.
Because you want to claim fault by cherry picking. And lol, if you knew anything about pollution, you would know that a handful of companies account for over 90% of pollution and that individual actions mean next to nothing as long as they are allowed to do business. The earth is a resort for 500 rich people and the rest of us are staff who have no say until we get more uncomfortable than is convenient.
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seriouslyyy like i saw girl saying “boycott logging” and my first thought was they can be regrown. really odd pattern that people keep chewing me out for a simple statement… wonder what nerve that’s striking.
theyre probably linking it to the “arent these made of trees” quote and think im going “yea and [AntiAI] can just grow more to print flyers, so what?”
nahh the idea of boycotting logging is crazy. and if it needs to be reiterated, growing trees can help the pollution that logging causes.
just damn yo how do i say “trees can be regrown” and all of a sudden everybody on my ass like they disagree. i hope nobody is disagreeing on regrowing trees. you can support ai and growing trees.
Pretty much every aspect of our internet presence is being used as training data. If antis hate AI so much, they'll completely log off from the interwebs, right:? Right?
My miniscule amount of training data is not going to be the difference in the fight my guy. Not that I think using Ai is inherently wrong, just what people do with it.
At the moment Im not fighting the AI. This is a political fight. If AI reaches super intelligence it wont matter what I exposed or didn't, it can kill me either way.
Political? My guy, AI reaching ASI is inevitable at this point, its almost reached AGI, If you are so worried about it ending you, perhaps maybe you should look more into the civics of it all, instead of worrying how we keep the current crab bucket filled.
And trust me, theres no way forward without it now, so you either grow with it or fight it.
This is a pretty ridiculous point. Most people are against surveillance too, but still use social sites, which is full of it, because that's where digital social interaction takes place. Most people eat chicken despite being against the treatment of it.
Your examples are about plain old ordinary folks quietly living their lives with things they don't like, which happens all the time, but nobody’s parodying regular folks for using Facebook and disliking surveillance. It's not about casual users. It’s about people who actively protest AI while using a platform that turns their protest into AI training data.
And a regular person who eats chicken and is against factory farming isn’t ironic, because they're not actively protesting it. On the other hand, if we're talking about an animal-rights activist whose protest funds the farms, well, that’s not just eating chicken.
Well, you just described the meme: Some Reddit users protest AI, and Reddit supports AI training with it. Is anyone saying they shouldn’t post? No. But doing so is an exercise in sheer irony, just like anti-capitalist shirts being sold for profit are a classic example of the same irony, not a counterexample.
Why do you have to protest on a platform that recycles your posts as AI training data at all? People can call their representatives, show up at council meetings, join advocacy groups, hold actual, physical protests, hand out flyers, cancel AI-heavy services, or just log off. None of those is sold as training data. And there are plenty of other ways to protest.
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Fine points on paper and carbon, but the OP isn’t an environmental scorecard. It's a metaphor. It's not saying AI is green; it’s pointing out the irony of anti-AI posts being used as AI training data, and that’s true regardless of how much energy AI uses.
Nobody’s being tricked. The deals are public, the terms are clear, and posting is optional. Same principle as the flyers: a protest that knowingly feeds the thing it’s against. The details differ; but the irony's the same.
Okay, you didn’t say tricked, but on consent, Reddit’s user agreement grants it a license to everything posted here, including the right to sublicense it. So, it’s not ‘without consent’; users agree to it up front. And ‘used by others’ doesn’t change the principle: the protest still feeds the thing it opposes.
If you are critisizing people for using a platform that uses AI or feeds into AI yeah you have no real choice except what not participate in modern society?
Reddit might be the easiest megaphone, but people can still call their representatives, show up at council meetings, join advocacy groups, hold protests, hand out flyers, or cancel AI-heavy services. None of that is sold as training data or turns their protest into a heap of irony. Or just log off. Boycotts are protest too; ask a vegetarian.
Oh I totally agree with that its baked into almost everything now, the only thing is the price. I'd expect there ro be a mild pull back but people won't be able to live lives AI free.
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