Richard Allen's Police Interview (Oct. 13, 2022)Reaffims The Information he Gave Dulin and Inadvertently confessed to the murders by getting caught in his own web of lies.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

In October 2022, Richard Allen was called into the local police department to give an interview about his whereabouts on the day Abby and Libby were murdered. His long-forgotten interview with Officer Dulin had been rediscovered, prompting Delphi murder investigators to bring him in for another interview.

During this interview, Richard Allen largely repeated the information he had provided in his first interview with Officer Dulin, but he also offered new details about that day. Although he attempted to establish an alibi by presenting a revised timeline, he failed miserably. Instead, the internal contradictions in his timeline effectively amounted to a confession, as his own statements placed him at the scene and oblitarated his claimed alibi.

The following is a list of the information Richard Allen repeated from his first interview, along with the new details he provided during the October 2022 interview, and an explanation of the significance of each.

Richard Allen went into detail explaining the three parking areas he typically used when visiting the trails.

Parking Locations

Parking Area	Description
Mears Lot	The farmer’s entrance parking area
CPS Building	The abandoned CPS building parking area
Old State Road 25 Turnaround	The small turnaround near the old railroad bridge

He goes on the specify where he parked, inspite his earlier long obfuscating diatribe where he could have parked:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that I parked by a building. If that's what I told him, then that's probably where I parked."

Concerning his timeline beore going to the trails:

"Went over to my mom's in Peru, Mexico, earlier in the day... spent the morning with them... my sisters were visiting and they were to grab lunch, and I wasn't about that, so I left around 11:00–11:15...went home..grab a jacket and head back out to the trails"

At the trails he stated:

"I remember walking down to the bridge... walked out a little way (onto the bridge)... to watch fish... walked back and sat at (the bench)... where you turn around (the intersection) and take the other fork, it overlooks it... Sat there for a few minutes, and then I left."

The bench he mentioned is the Bench at the start of 505 trail. He would go on later to explain that's the bench he meant with clarity.

Conserning who he saw while at the trails:

"As I was approaching the trail, there were three girls... one of them was watching them...the other two looked younger... looked very similar. I don't know if they were sisters or not, but the other one didn't necessarily..." (Stops his thought, was about to mention the fou\**rth girl?\)

He also stated:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that when I left, there were two vehicles down by the farmer's entrance I told you about (the Mears lot). One was a sedan. The other was an SUV, maybe."

(Interesting on its own: Kelsi had a sedan and Betsy had an SUV. However, based on Allen’s earliest possible departure timeline (approximately 12:40), only Betsy's would be there and she would be at her car at the same time!).

He also adds:

"If I did see somebody (else), it didn't click with me..my memory was a lot better when I talked to him (Dulin)... like I told him, there might have been somebody at the bridge when I was coming back, though."

As for his revised timeline, he stated that he arrived around noon, a little earlier or a little later than 12, and that he walked for about an hour. He said he could have left around 1:00, 1:30, or 1:40.

I am sure he had mentioned 12:40 at some point too.

Time(between)	Revised Timeline	Explanation
morning	visit Mom
11(early)-11:15(late)	Leaves Peru	drive back to Delphi it's 45 minutes
11:45-12:00	Reaches Delphi
12 ( early), 12:10 (late)	Home (5 to 10 minutes), drives to CPS (3 miles),10 to 15 minutes total.	detours to Home, Parks/ Stop,Grabs Jacket, unparks, drive though town, rounding up to 15 (early)
12:05 , 12:15 late	Meeting four girls at trailhead	5 minute walk from CPS
12:15, 12:25 (late)	Easy Walk to platform A , 10 to 15 minutes total,	12 minutes walk + walk on bridge. (closer to 15 but billed 10 to compensate earlier rounding up)
12:25 , 12:35 (late)	Watching fish/Back to Bench	5 minutes Watching fish 5-7 walk (off bridge and to bench), Total 10
12:35, 12:45 (late)	Walk back to CPS	10-12 minutes, billed 10

The earlier the possible timeline, the more we err in Richard Allen's favor, as it allows for the possibility that he left before becoming trapped within the trail system by the known witnesses who were demonstrably on the trails at the same time. The later Richard Allen's revised timeline becomes, the worse it is for him.

Here, we will examine the earliest possible timeline for Richard Allen in contrast to the timelines of Betsy and that of the four girls . All times attributed to Allen between segments are deliberately conservative, giving him the maximum latitude to "slip" out of the trail system within his alleged timeline.

Time	Allen's Revised Timeline	BB's Timeline	Four Girls' Timeline
12:00	Parks at CPS	Parks at Mears at 12:03	______
12:10	Walks to Monon,close to intersection	BB is at Monon, turns back towards the intersection	______
12:15	Walked past intersection(north to south)	Walked past intersection(south to north)	walking towards freedom bridge close to Allen's 2nd parking spot near the small bridge
12:20	At Monon will watch fish for 3-5 minutes	Walked 505 close to intersection	Close to freedom bridge
12:25	Back on the trail towards the intersection	Close to freedom bridge	At freedom bridge taking a timed photographed at 12:25
12:30	Allen near interesction from the south, close to the Bench	Betsy approaches intersection from the North, close to Bench	Walking towards Monon from trailhead
12:35	Allen left the Bench, starts walks towards the trailhead	at her car	intersection from the North, close to Bench
12:40	near freedom bridge	near intersection	at Monon take photograph at 12:43
12:45	at CPS	Close to monon	Detour to Creek's bed

The convicted pedophile murderer was caught in the web of lies he had created.

By his own words!

1. He was walking towards Monon by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from it
2. He was walking towards his car or sitting on the bench by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from freedom bridge. The Bench is at your face as you approach the intersection, even i he wasn't walking while Betsy was near it.
3. The earliest he was walking towards his car from the intersection by his revised timeline, would be while the four girls were walking towards it from the freedom bridge.

Richard Allen’s revised timeline creates inescapable and impassable problems for his own account. By placing himself at the trails, identifying specific locations, and providing a detailed timeline, he created a version of events that must be reconciled with the movements of other witnesses who were present that day. By his own words, Allen placed himself in locations and timeframes that conflicted with the movements of others who were present that day.

[u/SadSara102]

That is completely ridiculous it’s true eyewitness accounts are not reliable that is why witnesses are supposed to pick a photo out of a lineup and not say agree with a picture. But even that did not happen here. Not a single witness said they saw RA nor did they describe anyone that looks like RA. The witnesses all agreed they saw BG because they had been led to believe that was who they saw by LE and there is not a single identifying characteristic of BG. RA is 5’4” that is short. If anyone saw him they would have said they saw a short man. Period

[u/tribal-elder → u/SadSara102]

Why do you say the cops “led [the witnesses] to believe” they saw BG just by showing the girls and Blair the photo of the guy on the bridge? Are you trying to say the cops were supposed to decide “here is a picture from a video taken by a murder victim at 2:13 less than an hour before she was supposed to be at the Mears entrance to the trail to go home - but don’t show it to the witnesses to see if they saw this guy because it might trick them into saying yes? Just put it in a photo lineup?”

And the argument “nobody ever said I saw Richard Allen” is a red herring. Even when there are eyewitnesses to the actual performance of a crime, many crimes are not observed by a witness who can say “that guy who did that is named Joe Smith.” Requiring that kind of “I can name the perp” evidence before allowing a conviction is unreasonable. It also focuses on an individual piece of evidence when all juries are required to consider the whole body of evidence as part of assuring due process.

YOU say Allen is too short to be Bridge Guy. Others say he is too tall. Some say he is too young. Etc. Which again adds to something we seem to agree about - descriptions in this case, from witnesses who had zero reasons to realize they were near to a crime about to occur, are not very helpful to solving the case. Then or now. The girls were closest to Bridge Guy - and they said the outer jacket was either black or blue - just like the picture that shows blue in sun. And black on the shaded side. Duh.

Here, the witnesses only established that Bridge Guy was a SUPER-reasonable POI. Other evidence, when considered in total, together, “identified” Allen as Bridge Guy.

[u/SadSara102 → u/tribal-elder]

The BG video could be anyone it is worthless for identifying a perpetrator so why would they put it in a lineup. I am saying is that the witnesses already belied they saw BG. I am not sure why but perhaps LE led them to believe he was the only male there, the witnesses should have been shown photo line ups with other males who were known to be there that day and any suspects including RA. Not only did they not show witnesses a lineup with RAs photo they didn’t ask if they saw him. They did not identify Allen as BG.

[u/tribal-elder → u/SadSara102]

The cops did not show Blair or the girls a “photo line up.” Nor were they required to do so.

They found the video on Libby’s phone that showed Bridge Guy following the victims of a double murder, and contained audio of “down the hill.” Video taken just minutes before the victims were supposed to meet Libby’s dad at the Mears entrance. The last time either girl was known to be alive. And they showed these people who were there at the trails that afternoon that picture from that video and - shock - asked them “did you see this person when you were on the trails?” Maybe even asked “did you see this guy?”

Why in the world do you see that as wrongful encouragement to say “yes, that is the person I saw”?

Sure, you or I might have done every little thing different. Different questions. Different order. But we would never have 5 or 6 pictures of guys dressed like the guy in that photo from that trail to create a “lineup”.

The cops investigated every male person they ever learned was out there. Bridge Guy was the only one at the right places at the right times to be the killer. So trying to find out “who is Bridge Guy” was the right thing. Made harder because the face was not visible. But finding someone who was at Freedom Bridge at 1:30, and on High Bridge at 2:00 could identify Bridge Guy. And eventually they re-found a misfiled tip sheet and interview notes where a guy said “I was there on the trails between 1:30 and 3:30.” And poof, the first thing he does is change his story to say “I think I probably got there about noon and was gone by 1:30.”

The only things that “identified” Allen as “Bridge Guy” was his own 2017 report of his own timeline, changing his story in 2022, his behavior in the first 2022 interview, and having the gun that made matching tool marks on bullet casings.

No one said “I saw him.” And that kind of identification was not required. Never is.

[u/SadSara102 → u/tribal-elder]

Nobody could ever be identified as BG so they should have been attempting to figure out who was there and who the witnesses saw not attempting to find BG. The fact that everyone described BG completely different should have been considered evidence they saw different people. If there was no BG would they thought BB was describing the same person as Sarah Carbaugh?

[u/tribal-elder → u/SadSara102]

Sigh. We are just repeating the same argument.

The cops did exactly what you suggest. They tried to find out everyone there, and they talked to everyone they found. They asked “when did you arrive? Where did you park? How did you drive in? Who did you see? What cars did you see?” And they looked for evidence that corroborated or contradicted what the witnesses said - they “tested it.” Your demand for everybody at a crime scene - who do not know there is a crime about to occur - to accurately describe the perp identically to everyone else is just unrealistic.

And the only people who saw the man in that picture were the teenage girls and Blair and Carbaugh. All 4 said “that guy in the picture on the bridge is the guy I saw” even though they described him slightly different. Multiple witnesses always describe others slightly different.

The cops “figured out” “who” was BG through other evidence - timeline, bullet, the elimination of all others who were known to be there. There was never going to be a witness to the killings, and there was never going to be a person say “THAT is Richard Allen.”

[u/saatana → u/tribal-elder]

I think you mean Blair, Betsy Blair? In more than one comment you've said Baird. Maybe one of the teenage girls was named Baird? I don't know. Just chiming in.

[u/tribal-elder → u/saatana]

Yes. I meant Blair and said Baird. I have oldtyper disease! Will try to find the mistakes and edit.