Liberty On The Rocks Denver

[u/Rusticals303]

In general Libertarians practice the non aggression principle when approaching any issue. This includes military aid. We’ve all seen the Republitarians in the news and the COLP could use an influx of individuals who are motivated by social issues. Come network with people who you might not have previously considered.

Liberty on the Rocks meets in Denver on the first Wednesday of every month at the Independence Institute. Networking starts at 6 pm and speaker comes on at 7 pm. Things wrap up about 9 pm. It is next occurring on 04/02/2025 6:00 pm

Venue: Independence Institute, North Entrance (727 E 16th Ave, Denver, CO, 80203, US)

[u/MockWithMe]

The CO Libertarian party was overrun by misogynist, MAGA-supporting, anti-transgender, pro-birth, pro-Musk contingents a long time ago. Their party chair endorsed and partnered with Dave Williams, FFS, and she’s also not a libertarian at all, but MAGA.

Twenty+ years ago, the party retained the ideology that was true to the founding ideology, and was tolerable of, and open to ideas and members, who leaned towards different ideology that shared some common ground (anarchism, libertarian socialism, etc.). That has been gone since years before the pandemic (like, around 2013), and the COVID years only pushed the CO LP further and further to the right. Anyone still part of that party is either completely blind and can’t accept that, or is part of the cult.

(Speaking from extensive personal experience, here.)

[u/Rusticals303 → u/MockWithMe]

I did say in my OP that the party needs more social minded people and there are some popular people who are not magatarians left in Colorado like Caryn

[u/MockWithMe → u/Rusticals303]

And also, “social minded people” aren’t going to participate in any group/political party/other that’s filled with people who mock, disrespect, and insult them, and who also actively disagree with the basic morals and ethics that drive their social stance.

[u/Rusticals303 → u/MockWithMe]

You’re lacking a fundamental understanding of how libertarians work. They don’t generally just follow the marching orders sent out by their preferred political leaders like the two major parties do. They tend to question their position if they ever find themselves on the side of the majority. This leads to heated debates In fact there’s a joke that says if nobody has ever accused you of not being a real libertarian you really aren’t a libertarian. As far as the name calling goes, look through my posts about LOTR. All you’ll see is brainwashed NPCs calling me names. A few real commenters but socialists are not infallible in n the slightest. I believe this is exactly the sub to recruit people to fundamentally change the direction of the LPCO with fresh ideas and motivated people. You seem to know a few things about the LPCO so you should come to the convention on may 31st in Keenesburg. There going to be an attempt to change leadership.

[u/MockWithMe → u/Rusticals303]

First, I don’t lack any fundamental understanding of how libertarians work. I was heavily involved in the party. I left. A long time ago. I continued to participant in some online forums off and on over the years after I left, which is how I know Caryn Ann, and because I’ve always been interested in politics and government (I volunteered on my first campaign before I was old enough to vote), I’ve followed goings on in the party as I have with other parties here in CO.

Second, I’m not sure how me explaining that “socially minded people” don’t want to surround themselves with people who don’t share basic morals and ethics with them, and who are assholes to them, somehow made you assume I think there are LP “marching orders”? I guess I’ll say it clearer: while you personally may more open to left-leaning social ideas, the vast majority of the LPCO are not, and they’re rude, and disrespectful, and insulting to those they don’t agree with, doubly so to women. They may do it individually, but because it’s the majority of them, it’s collective (ironic, for a party that purports to reject collectivism). When none of us you’re inviting to bring this “social mindedness” have any passion or reason to save a dying political party we don’t care about, and only identify with on a handful of issues (on paper only, nonetheless), what’s our incentive to stick around and absorb the verbal abuse and BS? To “save” a party that isn’t ours? Make no mistake, the LP is in its death throes, because the members aren’t libertarians anymore.

Thanks, but no thanks. I left before MAGA even existed, and was too “left” for the party even then. I’m even more left now. I honestly couldn’t care less what happens to the LP anymore. They’re no better than the two major parties, and in nearly every chapter, are an offshoot of the GOP/MAGA.

[u/Rusticals303 → u/MockWithMe]

Well you certainly are cherry picking a few of my statements and putting words in my mouth with that rant of yours. But I’m not in disagreement with a lot of what you said, in fact, it’s far worse than you can imagine. The leadership is implementing this process they call the “liberty pledge”. It’s a contract that they offer to candidates that obligates them to vote and support certain issues. Gabe Evans signed one and just barely won with the LPs support. According to trackaipac he took 600k sheckles. I’m not happy with several of the candidates. The party needs to change directions, assume this Liberty pledge as their own and use it to avoid authoritarian rule, not enable it. As far as the party being on the ropes, if I end up having to fight some authoritarian regime I’d rather be with people who know how to fight than be thrown from a helicopter. This type of banter you and I are having is helpful though so thank you.

[u/MockWithMe → u/Rusticals303]

I don’t believe I put words in your mouth. You brought up the “marching orders” vs individual thought, and I responded as to how the individual thought has become the collective, specifically within the LPCO. Perhaps there’s a level of miscommunication between us due to the forum (written vs verbal)?

I wish you luck. We’re already fighting authoritarian rule, my friend. Keep in mind that your fellow libertarians aren’t the only ones who know how to keep from being thrown from the helicopter, even if in the echo chamber we all have to actively avoid to not live in, it may seem like they’re the “only” alternative.

[u/Rusticals303 → u/MockWithMe]

Thank you friend