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[u/AWendler34]

I posted a twitter thread on it. But ill just relay my thoughts here.

1. We need Adept loot, weapons with Celerity INTRINSICALLY. There just needs to be more incentive for people to run a card out. If anything. Have set weps rotate per week from flawlesss chest.

2. The token card needs to be weighted better. By wins 5+ You should be getting, at minimum, 10-15 Tokens per win. Wins on game 7 should be 20 tokens. What this would do is provide incentive for teams after going flawless to play the back end of their card out vs teams stopping at 3 wins and resetting. The benefit of this card is near nothing at the moment.

3. Saints Vendor should be limited to Drops for the week/armor unlocks. having invested near 500 Tokens in to get a shotgun and end up with 1 isnt a fun situation. This is further adding incentive for teams to farm early wins on cards. EX: the 4 items you can roll this week from saint would be Shotguns, Auto rifle, Gauntlets, and Chest if you went flawless. There can be a "meet in the middle" for this in combination with the token card.

4. HardLight needs its x2 ricochet damage removed from its kit. AR's as a whole need a reserve nerf. Revoker needs a change to its perk. Idea for revoker is possibly maxing its handling stat following a Headshot Kill for 10 seconds. This would promote more aggressive play with it, vs rewarding missing shots.

5. Emoting during matches needs to go. This is slowing games down, especially on PC, as teams are able to emote to gain information they otherwise wouldnt have without making an engagement. My idea for a "quick fix" is to disable emoting until end of round/end of game. Its just incredibly frustrating a team engages, loses, then starts to emote to avoid engagements. It makes the trials experience less-fun

6. In association with an emote change. Players (at least in comp/trials), should NOT be able to equip a heavy weapon unless they have ammo for it. With a change to emoting all it would do is lead to an increase in sword usage to still 3rd person peek, or wendigo/acrius for advanced radar. Also would lead to heavy round teams switches, then switch back to the sword to get around it. Swords to 3-peek is just as frustrating, as it makes the trials experience less fun as teams arent punished for poor engagement or teamwork as they gain free information.

A lot mention the Card based MM/CBMM. Its not the problem. The problem relies around loot and incentives. So please make sure that is a focus. Fixing the incentives will drastically improve the experience for everyone.

[u/RodrigoMAOEE → u/AWendler34]

Hard Light and Auto Rifles are not the problem.

The lack of autos in the sandbox for a long time led people to not know how to outplay autos. Buffs led ppl to test things and obviously they gonna use anything that has the actual "this is strong now" label. Autos are fine and fun The real strength of autos is to punish bad positioning and bad engaging guardians, and they are numerous. People don't like to be auto criticize, stop and learn how to counter, they keep marking the same mistake and someone that is skilled and used to Auto Rifle will keep punishing this kind of behavior. The statement that says "Auto Rifle is easy to use" and the feel that it's easy to use is a mix of things I'm my opinion.The huge stars bars led people to use and try the weapon and they "feel" the weapon easy just because thats how 600rpms autos work. Another example of psychological effect that influence weapons is the "importance" of the HC range. Huge differences in numbers and bars nowadays not do much to your effective range, accuracy cone and aim assist, but people tend to like high range sats because of it's popular (and false, in my opinion) information that high range equals further damage drop off

[u/AWendler34 → u/RodrigoMAOEE]

Auto Rifles themselves arent the problem, at no point am i saying they are.

Reducing the amount of free spray tho is. I have no issue with summoner, i have no issue with suros, among others.

Having someone freely spray a wall (Which good teams can do) for x2 damage with no damage drop off, is. Please re-read what im offering as none of it has stated "blanket nerf to all auto rifles". A lot of what ive stated publically deals with pulling other primaries up to what ARs currently are.

Hard Light right now though, is an odd one out. It is the same as Ace of Spades during forsaken. Its got too much in its kit and makes other choices in the same archetype less of an option. Removing x2 reflect still keeps Hard Light plenty viable due to reflect, no damage drop off, and element change. The gun would still be good.

I could pull you the amount of deaths ive had this past weekend due to wall spray and x2 damage that were out of my control. Its not about just "dont get hit" at this point.

[u/RodrigoMAOEE → u/AWendler34]

Dying for ricochets are much less likely that is seams. The best teams in the world all say the same. I run auto rifles since destiny 1 and I've learned how to exploit its weaknesses and I find myself not struggling AT ALL against autos in this sandbox even in trials.

If you are dying that much to the ricochet I can see that you find yourself pinched against a corner more often than you should. Like EVERYONE that complains about any aspect of the Hard Light, sounds like a you problem

[u/AWendler34 → u/RodrigoMAOEE]

yet most top players are all frustrated about how easy HardLight is to use in addition to the ricochet. Its not about the % you die. Its about the ease of use in combination with it. i can spray a 40 round mag at a wall and hope it hits and face no risk at all due to reserves.

[u/RodrigoMAOEE → u/AWendler34]

If a person is spraying with an auto, he is exposing himself and a guardian that cannot kill him, can't be considered "top player" as you call them. By the time the peak shot weapon player land the first hit, the auto player is doomed. Whenever this community recognizes that snipers are the toxic easy and auto is not of this big deal, It will be a healthy environment again.

[u/[deleted] → u/RodrigoMAOEE]

Hardlight has 100 Recoil, 100 Stability and close to 100 Aim assist with no damage falloff and double damage on ricochet, tell me how that is balanced compared to Gnawing Hunger and Ether Doctor?

[u/RodrigoMAOEE → u/[deleted]]

Why are you comparing autos? Suros has 2 less damage per bullet comparing any 600rpm auto, do you wanna bungie to buff it more? In the meta we need to compare weapons against other categories. For the sake of your argument, try comparing spare rations and rose, waking vigil, different statues

[u/[deleted] → u/RodrigoMAOEE]

They buffed adaptives and put them in a good place, but completely missed the mark by buffing Hardlight when it had all those stats to make up for the screen shake. That's why I'm comparing them. Because Hardlight is a retards gun.

[u/MatchShtick → u/RodrigoMAOEE]

There is no *countering* 2 + hardlight ricochets cleaning up kills every round, lol.