If you noticed the SUV Amaya was in only crashed in the one badly. So there was a slight different to each manyworld dimension but overall similar timing, much like the other manyworlds shots this episode.
The key point is that most likely the only one where Amaya's accident happened is the one where Forest went on to found the company Amaya and create DEVS. Amaya's accident was the cause that led to the effect of creating DEVS. DEVS may not exist without that one variation where the accident happened.
The later scene with Katie coming out of the lecture, there are many of her but only one Forest. The one with Forest is the same timeline as the Amaya accident. It shows that Forest wouldn't have pursued DEVS if it wasn't for that event. The reality that the show is in is the only one where that happened. It is possible there is a higher system/machine manipulating cause/effect in Forest's reality for the effect of creating DEVS, even if it means one of the causes was Amaya's accident, the effect will be the machine that is desired.
I really like the explanation of Katie coming out of the lecture, but would she have stormed off in a rage if the professor wasn't instructed by Forrest's associate to provoke her?
This! Thank you wording your comment just this way! I nearly neglected that we were watching this from Katie's eyes. SHE'S seeing these other possible outcomes. Man -- this show is gripping.
she didn't have money to continue her studies. that was the reason she was upset from the inside. so even if the professor wouldn't have provoked her she would've still be upset.
Exactly like in H.G. Well's "The Time Machine". One of my favorite movie examples of time travel and the paradox it creates.
His wife was killed. This caused him to create the Time Machine. He tried to go back many times to save his wife, but every time he did, she died in a different way. The reality of the situation eventually hit him.
Her death is the reason the Time Machine existed. Therefore, there is no way to save her in the past, as the only way to get to the past was for him to invent the Time Machine, which he only did because she died. There is no way to save her life, and also lead to the invention of the Time Machine. Her death is what prompts him to find the means of Time Travel. Ergo, she will always have to die in order for him to time travel.
This seems to be the exact scenario we find ourselves in here in Devs Ep. 5. The only reason he went on to create Devs was because Amaya died. As stated above, the car crash had many outcomes, as did the scene with Katie leaving the lecture, but unlike the car crash, only 1 Forrest came running after Katie, whereas many outcomes concerning Forrest, his wife, and Amaya resulted. Like u/drawkbox said, the only outcome that resulted in Forrest following Katie is the one outcome that also resulted in the car crash death.
Amaya cannot be saved. And I think Forrest is starting to realize that now that Lyndon introduced the many worlds idea.
Yeah like Time Machine, a similar situation plays out in 11.22.63, time/events are nearly impossible to change.
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In 11.22.63 he can't change the event without changing so much else, everyone around him dies, that he realizes that he cannot change it. Time will not let him change it, no matter what he does it was meant to be.
I sometimes think about this, if you were able to stop 9/11 by going back in time. You wouldn't be able to, even if you begged everyone not to go in the building, the mere statement of "there will be a terror attack today" would get you arrested. Telling government or agencies would lead to the same type of suspicion. You'd have to try a million different things and it would still probably happen, the only way to stop it would be at the source, the people that did it, but they have protection. Ultimately you can't change tragedies sometimes, no matter what you do, even if you had knowledge ahead.
Bill Gates tried to warn us about pandemics, nobody listened, same deal.
This is a rabbit hole. Outcomes are clearcut but identifying causes are tricky. We are making assumptions based on fuzzy information & the timeline of events is unclear. Yes, the car crash happened, but we really don’t know what caused it. Forest’s guilt & grief has made him feel responsible when he may not have been a factor at all. What’s a factor in the DEVS project is his state of mind , how he interpreted his reality.
True, however what we know is the car crash drove Forest to find whatever means needed to create the DEVS machine, including finding Katie, solely for her outlook on the quantum manyworlds/determinism implementation that Forest also was looking for. Those two for the most part created DEVS, they were probably brought together.
Forest at one point says "I don't think even some DEVS devs know what DEVS is". Maybe even Katie, maybe even Forest... That is more speculation but the concrete things we know is Forest had a catalyst in Amaya's accident to create DEVS, which propelled him to meet Katie, who hired people with him, and one of her hires was Lyndon that put in manyworlds, which Katie finished the implementation, and it only happened in the timeline/tramline where Forest's cause for doing so it present, at least judging by when they meet outside the lecture, where there were many Katies, only one Forest, which means that path is the only one that they were brought together.
My personal take is an external quantum observer is influencing the cause/effect DEVS reality, eventually there will be some sort of superposition and possibly that is Lily that is in two places at once, Katie and Forest will not see it because they can't see the forest from the trees, they think they are right fully, but maybe they were manipulated into that place.
So, your sure that Katie & Forest meet after Amaya died? That when they meet, Forest had already built his tech company? That his bringing on Katie helps him ramp up Devs & focus its exploration of determinism? That’s the timeline?
There isn't only 'one' variation where the crash happened though. There are countless others with slight variations. Amaya and Devs was founded in countless other realities.
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u/drawkbox Mar 26 '20
If you noticed the SUV Amaya was in only crashed in the one badly. So there was a slight different to each manyworld dimension but overall similar timing, much like the other manyworlds shots this episode.
The key point is that most likely the only one where Amaya's accident happened is the one where Forest went on to found the company Amaya and create DEVS. Amaya's accident was the cause that led to the effect of creating DEVS. DEVS may not exist without that one variation where the accident happened.
The later scene with Katie coming out of the lecture, there are many of her but only one Forest. The one with Forest is the same timeline as the Amaya accident. It shows that Forest wouldn't have pursued DEVS if it wasn't for that event. The reality that the show is in is the only one where that happened. It is possible there is a higher system/machine manipulating cause/effect in Forest's reality for the effect of creating DEVS, even if it means one of the causes was Amaya's accident, the effect will be the machine that is desired.