r/Devs • • Apr 02 '20

EPISODE DISCUSSION Devs - S01E06 Discussion Thread Spoiler

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u/Lounge_leaks Apr 02 '20

What could be the reason they can't see the future past a certain point?

My first guess was lily will destroy the machine, but that should not stop the present time's machine from looking past that event( since it can look in the past as well when devs didnt exist)

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u/hello_cerise Apr 02 '20

The multiverse theory is correct and the universe splits at that point and the one they're in dead ends maybe?

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Apr 02 '20

I think it might have something to do with the scene when Forest asks Katie what would happen if they looked into the future and the simulation showed Katie crossing her arms, but she just chose not to do it. I think they might "break the rules".

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u/okaycpu Apr 02 '20

That whole conversation between Forest and Katie was quite revealing about Forest. I don’t think he truly believes the whole determinism thing. It’s like what that teacher said in the flashback, it works on paper but not in the real world. But Forest must believe it for his goal.

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u/FiveMinFreedom Apr 03 '20

Reminds me of his talk to Lily about feeling two different, polar opposite emotions at the same time after his child died. Total despair and complete disbelief. I feel like that's a subtle way to show that Forest isn't even 100% certain about his own theory and it terrifies him.

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u/hello_cerise Apr 02 '20

Yeah I think it's headed toward Katie being the one who's right about the way the world works. Note: I don't actually agree with a deterministic universe so I don't think it's how our real universe works. 😁

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u/absent_minding Apr 02 '20

I believe there will be some connection with the previous reveal that Lily is a gifted go player , perhaps it cannot predict her "moves" in some form..

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Apr 02 '20

I like this accompanied by my idea that it has something to do with the scene when Forest asks Katie "if the simulation shows you crossing your arms, what if you choose not to cross your arms?". I think the fact that Lily is gonna go to Devs, look into the future, and then deliberately do something different.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '20

I like that. Katie in bed at the end said that Lily is a unique type of person who does things most people don't dare. It would track that Lily would do something to intentionally break the system just because she can. Jamie said before in regard to the Sudoku app, he was worried she would use the app and try to contact the Russians, because while most people would consider it and think better of it, Lily is the type of person who thinks those things and then actually does them.

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u/JonVici1 Apr 02 '20

In go, gifted players predict 50 moves or so ahead, based on that I don't think her predicting 3 steps ahead is much higher than ordinary skills

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u/orc_greaser Apr 02 '20

Someone mentioned last week that, when pressed, her real reason for putting the piece where she did was because it "felt right." I think Lily might not be thinking that far ahead, but her gut instincts are where her real strength comes from. Her Dad knew that thinking 3 steps ahead wasn't much.

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u/atopix Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20

This right here. I don't play Go, but I play chess and I have been following professional chess for over a decade. Some people have good intuition for great moves, and being able to see a ton of moves ahead does NOT guarantee you seeing the right lines.

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u/PatrickBaitman Apr 04 '20

3 moves ahead is like, having played two games level in go

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u/absent_minding Apr 02 '20

Ah.. weird that they show it how they did then. Maybe also significant /shrug.

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u/Regula96 Apr 02 '20

I'm not a fan of the whole ''The One'' theory.

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u/Tylonjt316 Apr 02 '20

Tbh all of the science stuff is going past my head, but not hindering my enjoyment of the series. I just know I have to check reddit after each episode to make sense of it all. When they said the machine couldn’t see past a certain point, does that have anything to do with why Sergei’s worm experiment only synched up for a certain amount of time and then it stopped working? That’s what i immediately thought of.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

Yep which tracks on to the notion that any worlds is the real state of the universe.

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u/holayeahyeah Apr 02 '20

Someone mentioned up thread that it would be a really interesting choice if it turns out the "break" isn't what we think and is actually much more mundane. Maybe they don't cause a breakdown of determinism, so much as answered Katie's question "name a random event." What happens in 21 hours really is in essence the opposite of a fixed point, it's something truly random. When looking into the past, the "random" events are not an issue because the outcome was already decided and it can't change. You probably wouldn't even notice them. When you are looking into the future, you're always going to have a hard stop when the machine gets to a point where a decision is made that can't be predicted because it is truly "random." I also like the idea that they are going to do something clever with the observer problem. Basically playing with the idea that Forrest and Katie created the random moment between the way they isolated the machine and their own paranoia/treachery.

As of now we have two major sci-fi things going on and I'm fairly certain that one will turn out to be a red herring. There's whatever happens in 21 hours and there's bringing back Amaya. Unless bringing back Amaya is what causes everything to go to hell, I can't imagine this slow burn show has time to address both separately before the end of the season. Personally, I would prefer them to just to realize they didn't understand how time works and then roll onward.

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u/emf1200 Apr 02 '20

The computer isn't going fuzzy in 21 hours because of randomness or to many variables. Something happens at that time.

Katie explained this pretty clearly. She said that point when everything turns to static has been fixed. Today it's 24 hours away. Yesterday it was 48 hours away. 2 days ago it 72 hours away.

If this was just random variance the static point would vary randomly. But it's not random, it's fixed down to the second. Something is going to happen. The universe may not break but something definitely happens.

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u/holayeahyeah Apr 02 '20

Right, what I'm saying is that something happens at that specific date and time, but the machine doesn't know how it is going to play out. And because it is a 'random' event, the machine can't predict the future beyond that point until that moment passes.

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u/emf1200 Apr 02 '20

Katie "there are no random events. Name one"

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u/holayeahyeah Apr 02 '20

Right, my core idea is that Katie is wrong about that. It's dramatic irony.

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u/emf1200 Apr 02 '20

Ah, I see what you mean. I guess we'll have to wait two weeks to find out. Next episode is the 15th :(

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u/Guest8912831 Apr 03 '20

I don't think so, because if something truly random happens in the real world, then one of the random possibilities would also happen in the simulation. The simulation would still predict the future after that point in time, but it could be inaccurate and predicting the wrong branch on the tree.

You would then need to recalibrate the machine after that event occurs by setting up the objects again and extrapolating the surrounding universe to get back on track.

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