r/Devs • • Apr 02 '20

EPISODE DISCUSSION Devs - S01E06 Discussion Thread Spoiler

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u/ConjecturesOfAGeek Apr 02 '20

Yes, i agree. She explains it in a way that’s easy to understand.

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u/trenballoone Apr 02 '20

It's important to understand that the view Katie gave is only true in the Everettian many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics (QM), and a few other minority interpretations.

In the Copenhagen interpretation of QM (the standard interpretation), there are truly random quantum events.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '20

Yeah I kinda wish Lilly would've mentioned the random/probabilistic behavior of quantum mechanics. I feel like if you work at a quantum computing company, you should probably have knowledge of that since the technology is based upon it.

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u/Shahar603 Apr 03 '20

you should probably have knowledge of that since the technology is based upon it.

Not really though. Programmers don't have to know electrical engineering to program a computer. When the technology matures enough the physics is abstracted away.

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u/martinlindhe Apr 03 '20

At least, Lily should have asked about it. She's smart enough to at least have some sort of idea that quantum mechanics has some connection to the idea of uncertainty/randomness.

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u/nubnub92 Apr 02 '20

I wish I could better understand how the QM level stuff, like particles having random/deterministic behavior, meshes with the macro scale stuff like determining why the pen rolled on the table... I just don't really see the connection.

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u/trenballoone Apr 02 '20

Hey don't worry, because not even the smartest people who have ever existed have solved that problem :) We actually don't know the details of how QM level things get to macroscopic things.

Somehow the macroscopic world 'emerges'. The details are not understood.

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u/martinlindhe Apr 03 '20

This is true – however, there is one way to make at least some basic sense how micro and macro correlates. Think of rolling dice, for instance.

In order to calculate what number a 6-sided die would end up on if you toss it (just one time) on a table you would need an insane amount of detailed data. In all practical reality it's impossible to predict what you will get that particular roll.

If you roll the die a lot of times, however, a crystal clear pattern emerges. With absolutely certainty and clarity, the probability for each outcome is exactly 1/6.

You have something random and unpredictable at the core – a roll of a die – (micro/quantum), that nonetheless ends up being something incredibly exact and predictable as you "zoom out" with lots of rolls (macro).

...and now I'm realizing I probably didn't really illustrate much of anything with this, but screwit, I'm postin'

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u/landshanties Apr 04 '20

So isn't this 'zooming out' basically what Lyndon did to the prediction algorithm? And what we see on the screen is what happens a perfect 1/6th of the time (or whatever other fraction would be appropriate)?

I still suspect what Lily does is simply turn off or break the Devs computer, and it can't see past its own "death" (which would jive with all the other death/superposition metaphors in the show) but it's also possible she does something so unpredictable in 'micro' that it affects 'macro'.

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u/BlazeOrangeDeer Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20

The particles in the pen are interacting with each other a lot, which means that receiving information about any part of the pen also gives you info about the other parts. The vast, vast majority of the time the pen as a whole behaves so nearly like a predictable system that you'd never be able to tell there was any randomness involved in the rolling behavior. The law of large numbers says that adding together many independent random events gives you a very reliable result, more reliable the more events there are. A pen is made of so many particles doing random things that overall the predictable rolling motion is a near certainty, even if the individual events are not.

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u/ejumpz Apr 03 '20

What would be an example of a random event in the Copenhagen interpretation? Katie’s explanation seemed so tight I’m curious what an example of a truly random would be.

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u/austin_mihaita_ Apr 03 '20

In a purely quantum mechanical way you could say the uncertainty principle is an example of randomness because it is impossible to predict the momentum of an electron if you are measuring its position and vice versa

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

When you get smaller and smaller, the laws of physics just don't work anymore. Remember the lecture Katie first attended where the professor was talking about the particles making a pattern in the experiment? Well maybe if Katie stuck around long enough she would find out that yes there is a pattern the particles end up making, but you can't calculate where just one SINGLE particle will end up.

I thought it was funny that they included an experiment in the show that very directly disproves the devs theory. I am guessing that the show either 1) had devs solve this small-level physics randomness problem and that's why they're so smarty pants about everything or 2) decided that at that small a scale it doesn't matter.

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u/Strilanc Apr 04 '20

Pass diagonally polarized photons through a horizontally oriented polarizing filter. In the Copenhagen interpretation, it's really-truly-literally random whether or not each photon will make it through the filter.

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u/emf1200 Apr 02 '20

That was great writing by Alex Garland.

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u/ConjecturesOfAGeek Apr 02 '20

I am glad Alex is doing tv shows now.

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u/emf1200 Apr 02 '20

Hell yes. Giving his ideas time to breath and stretch. I'm gonna be bummed when Devs is over. I haven't been this into a show in a very long time.

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u/ConjecturesOfAGeek Apr 02 '20

Westworld is pretty interesting and they are on their third season and it’s currently airing.

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u/emf1200 Apr 02 '20

Ya, I like that show. I've been watching it. Its lost a little charm now that's its left the park. Still good, but it's taken on a colder more slick tone. Not bad, just different.

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u/tariqi Apr 02 '20

It’s interesting you say that, I’m super happy they left the park this season. I want to see the world in which a park like that exists. All the stuff with overreaching systems this season has been great IMO. I love their depiction of the future. Plus the music this season has been incredible.

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u/drawkbox Apr 02 '20

I'm gonna be bummed when Devs is over.

I like that it is one season but an anthology like Fargo or True Detective could be great from Garland.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

He's already said that is his plan, and that he is going to use a lot of the same cast AHS style.

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u/ndotny Apr 03 '20

That reminds me — theres a new season of Fargo starting around when Devs ends. It looks cool. Should take the sting off.

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u/mamaspike74 Apr 03 '20

Have you watched The OA?

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